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  • KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.

    While KG does call some great games, more then not, he is ho hum in his play calling. He is similar to Fewell were imho they try to make the players fir their schemes vs making the schemes fit the players strengths.

    So how was it obvious? (yes i Know Fewell was the main problem) Eli went for 21 consecutive passes that were caught? Why did that happen? Because they used the 3-10 yard routes and let the WRs make plays since they knew NO would keep it all in front.

    Most teams have trouble defending those routes and in the same instance it helps the QB and receivers get on the same page and flow. It also makes the defenders have to cover the WHOLE field not just 15 yards back.

    I do like taking our shots downfield, but KG really needs to create more plays that can work for our guys speed, agility and elusiveness in quick slants, hooks, crossing routes.

    If KG would incorporate more of that, I feel everyone on O would benefit from it, including (Especially) our Oline
    Peace,
    DragonSoul



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    Re: KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.

    The short routes were successful because the Saints had a huge lead and were willing to give them up

    But I agree that we have to at least try that type of route since our running game is awful . . . .

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    • #3
      Re: KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.

      Maybe we get Norv Turner as OC next year

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      • #4
        Re: KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.

        All I know is that they haven't scored a TD in the 1st half of the last 4 games.

        Is it KG, the OL, both, or something else. I don't know but it's horrible.

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        • #5
          Re: KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.

          [quote user="buddy33"]All I know is that they haven't scored a TD in the 1st half of the last 4 games.

          Is it KG, the OL, both, or something else. I don't know but it's horrible.[/quote]
          Such a sad stat

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          • #6
            Re: KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.

            [quote user="GMENAGAIN"]The short routes were successful because the Saints had a huge lead and were willing to give them up

            But I agree that we have to at least try that type of route since our running game is awful . . . .[/quote]
            Did go deep a few times but either overthrew, under threw or the ball was dropped
            Football has been very, very good to us.
            After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
            But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

            # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

            1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
            2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
            3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
            4-New York Giants!!!
            5-NE
            Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

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            • #7
              Re: KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.

              [quote user="GMENAGAIN"]The short routes were successful because the Saints had a huge lead and were willing to give them up But I agree that we have to at least try that type of route since our running game is awful . . . .[/quote]along with the short passing game and Bradshaw back in the lineup, we can control time of possession and keep Rodgers and the Packers high octane offense off the field. They cant be effective standing on the sideline. Here's to hoping!

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              • #8
                Re: KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.

                HOW CAN PEOPLE BLAME KEVIN GILBRIDE!!! DID U WATCH THE DROP PASSES AND THE INACCURATE THROWS....AM I WATCHING A DIFFERENT GAME!?!? Turnovers, dropped passes, wrong routes and inaccurate passes have plagued the Giants can we put all that on a offensive coordinator? Give me a break...I guess Gilbride is holding back our juggernaunt offense lol. I dont mind the short passing game since our GM chose to neglect the Offensive Line since coming here in 07. How long did he expect O'hara, Snee, Seubert, Mckenzie, and Diehl to hold up? And when u look at that group we still never had a true Left Tackle but I guess that play calling is the reason for our offensive line not blocking as well. If u fire Gilbride, nothing will change...just like nothing changed when Sheridan was fired. People was loving Fewell when he came here and seen what he did for Buffalo...but alll of a sudden his scheme sucks? Also it looks like Buffalo's defense is struggling without Fewell, I bet they would love to have him back, while we continue to search for a coordinator to work miracles with a defense that has given up.

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                  Re: KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.

                  [quote user="T-Murda84"]HOW CAN PEOPLE BLAME KEVIN GILBRIDE!!! DID U WATCH THE DROP PASSES AND THE INACCURATE THROWS....AM I WATCHING A DIFFERENT GAME!?!? Turnovers, dropped passes, wrong routes and inaccurate passes have plagued the Giants can we put all that on a offensive coordinator? Give me a break...I guess Gilbride is holding back our juggernaunt offense lol. I dont mind the short passing game since our GM chose to neglect the Offensive Line since coming here in 07. How long did he expect O'hara, Snee, Seubert, Mckenzie, and Diehl to hold up? And when u look at that group we still never had a true Left Tackle but I guess that play calling is the reason for our offensive line not blocking as well. If u fire Gilbride, nothing will change...just like nothing changed when Sheridan was fired. People was loving Fewell when he came here and seen what he did for Buffalo...but alll of a sudden his scheme sucks? Also it looks like Buffalo's defense is struggling without Fewell, I bet they would love to have him back, while we continue to search for a coordinator to work miracles with a defense that has given up.[/quote]you completely missed the point. That game was not on him, but it showed you were he goes wrong in the play calls. Ala no short intermediate routes unless they are wr screens. Instead he prefers to go deep on most routes and it puts more pressure on everyone on O.
                  Peace,
                  DragonSoul



                  Twitter Account! https://twitter.com/DragonSoul

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                  • #10
                    Re: KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.



                    [quote user="DragonSoul"]While KG does call some great games, more then not, he is ho hum in his play calling. He is similar to Fewell were imho they try to make the players fir their schemes vs making the schemes fit the players strengths. So how was it obvious? (yes i Know Fewell was the main problem) Eli went for 21 consecutive passes that were caught? Why did that happen? Because they used the 3-10 yard routes and let the WRs make plays since they knew NO would keep it all in front. Most teams have trouble defending those routes and in the same instance it helps the QB and receivers get on the same page and flow. It also makes the defenders have to cover the WHOLE field not just 15 yards back. I do like taking our shots downfield, but KG really needs to create more plays that can work for our guys speed, agility and elusiveness in quick slants, hooks, crossing routes. If KG would incorporate more of that, I feel everyone on O would benefit from it, including (Especially) our Oline[/quote]




                    kind of like a West Coast offense right?.......

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                    • #11
                      Re: KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.

                      [quote user="GameTime"]

                      [quote user="DragonSoul"]While KG does call some great games, more then not, he is ho hum in his play calling. He is similar to Fewell were imho they try to make the players fir their schemes vs making the schemes fit the players strengths. So how was it obvious? (yes i Know Fewell was the main problem) Eli went for 21 consecutive passes that were caught? Why did that happen? Because they used the 3-10 yard routes and let the WRs make plays since they knew NO would keep it all in front. Most teams have trouble defending those routes and in the same instance it helps the QB and receivers get on the same page and flow. It also makes the defenders have to cover the WHOLE field not just 15 yards back. I do like taking our shots downfield, but KG really needs to create more plays that can work for our guys speed, agility and elusiveness in quick slants, hooks, crossing routes. If KG would incorporate more of that, I feel everyone on O would benefit from it, including (Especially) our Oline[/quote]




                      kind of like a *West Coast offense right?.......

                      [/quote]Doesn't have to be a west coast offense, but more balanced. It can have 1 or 2 set of downs for a mid/shor passing attack, another deep, another with 1 deep another short.

                      Just mix it up. We have the WRS who can do it all. They can catch a quick pass and make guys miss like mario/cruz and even Nicks. Or they can burn the coverage and beat there guys deep. That is when they can actually catch (hold unto) the ball.

                      It is funny, most of the short passes he does are the ones I hate (wr screens) either because the play isn't drawn up right or the guys do not execute it right. Finally they started to incorporate more hb screen/drop off passes compared to years past.

                      Peace,
                      DragonSoul



                      Twitter Account! https://twitter.com/DragonSoul

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                      • #12
                        Re: KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.

                        [quote user="GMENAGAIN"]The short routes were successful because the Saints had a huge lead and were willing to give them up

                        But I agree that we have to at least try that type of route since our running game is awful . . . .[/quote]While that is true to a large extent in that game(it at least showed you how well it all went together with the timing and so forth).

                        The offense does well in those type of pass plays when they are called. How many TDS has Cruz or the other Wrs had on short routes? Or how about that 5-7 yard quick hitch/curl routes when used to Nicks, mannigham or AB who are then able to make a move and turn up field for an additional 5-10 yards or break it long for a TD if the defense isn't on top of them or make a great tackle?

                        How many times do we see the offense of another team use a crossing, slant route inside the 10 for a good amount of yards? But mainly to get inside the CB or coverages and get a TD?

                        When I see our Corners 1 on 1 inside the 10, I am always worried its going to be a slant or crossing route, and generally it is. While Web has played better vs it this year this is the one time in our defense I would like to have either a Safety or LB slide over to cover that area. Fewell seems to do the opposite. Covers with lbs safeties outside the 20 but inside leaves them one on one.

                        Peace,
                        DragonSoul



                        Twitter Account! https://twitter.com/DragonSoul

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                        • #13
                          Re: KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.

                          Anyone else notice all those bombs (away) again? Would love some more slants, crossing routes.
                          Peace,
                          DragonSoul



                          Twitter Account! https://twitter.com/DragonSoul

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                          • #14
                            Re: KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.



                            [quote user="DragonSoul"]Anyone else notice all those bombs (away) again? Would love some more slants, crossing routes.[/quote]




                            Yes, I did. I also noticed that we were VERY successful on them.

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                              Re: KGs Failure was glaring in the loss to NO & here is why.

                              [quote user="DragonSoul"][quote user="GMENAGAIN"]The short routes were successful because the Saints had a huge lead and were willing to give them up

                              But I agree that we have to at least try that type of route since our running game is awful . . . .[/quote]While that is true to a large extent in that game(it at least showed you how well it all went together with the timing and so forth).

                              The offense does well in those type of pass plays when they are called. How many TDS has Cruz or the other Wrs had on short routes? Or how about that 5-7 yard quick hitch/curl routes when used to Nicks, mannigham or AB who are then able to make a move and turn up field for an additional 5-10 yards or break it long for a TD if the defense isn't on top of them or make a great tackle?

                              How many times do we see the offense of another team use a crossing, slant route inside the 10 for a good amount of yards? But mainly to get inside the CB or coverages and get a TD?

                              When I see our Corners 1 on 1 inside the 10, I am always worried its going to be a slant or crossing route, and generally it is. While Web has played better vs it this year this is the one time in our defense I would like to have either a Safety or LB slide over to cover that area. Fewell seems to do the opposite. Covers with lbs safeties outside the 20 but inside leaves them one on one.[/quote]

                              there was a bunch of shorter route passes called and executed. nicks had like 3 quick catches at the LOS, Cruz caught some slants and ins and so did Barden. I thought it was mixed up pretty well, but we were so successful on the long ball so why get away from it when it was working as well as it did.

                              also, eli has amazing accuracy on the deep passes. almost ever deep pass was right on the numbers hitting the receiver in stride

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