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    INJURIES. Especially after losing Boley. When we lost him in the 2nd half of the game against the 49ers. I had a strong feeling we were going to lose the game and it was going to cost us some games. I don't know why but Jim Fassel's teams were heavily injury prone too. I think we might be jinxed or something. Expect for 2007 when everybody was injuried in the early part of the season and healed up just in time for playoffs. I think T.C. should get a two or three year extension. If we suck next year then fire him and eat up his contract. The NY Giants profited 80 million last year. They can eat up his contract.

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    Re: I blame the 2nd half of the season collapse on........

    Injuries and the OL being just so bad are the reason for the collapse. Also, it seems that every year they have a cupcake schedule to start the season and look like champions until they play real teams. I do like TC but unfortunately his record against winning teams is very bad.

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      Re: I blame the 2nd half of the season collapse on........

      So for 7 out of 8 years, where we've collapsed at the same time of the year, it's always injuries?

      You know Coughlin blasted Fassel for injuries, right? Called it a "cancer".

      The only year this team did better than .500 down the stretch is 2005. Nov/Dec record of 28-40.

      EVERY. YEAR. A collapse.

      2004 - lost 9 of last 11
      2006 - lost 6 of last 8
      2007 - lost 4 of last 8
      2008 - lost 3 of last 4
      2009 - lost 8 of last 11
      2010 - lost 2 of last 3 (with playoffs on the line in each loss)
      2011 - lost 3 of last 3

      But no, no, no; it's just injuries and it's just this year... And the Giants are the only team to suffer injuries and injuries are not a part of pro football.
      8-Time NFL Champions - 1927 1934 1938 1956 1986 1990 2007 2011

      "You win close games because you're prepared to do it. It doesn't just come down to luck." -- Bill Parcells

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      • #4
        Re: I blame the 2nd half of the season collapse on........

        [quote user="buddy33"]Injuries and the OL being just so bad are the reason for the collapse. Also, it seems that every year they have a cupcake schedule to start the season and look like champions until they play real teams. I do like TC but unfortunately his record against winning teams is very bad.[/quote]

        Do you know the records of other good coaches against winning teans (i.e., Belicheck, Cowher, Gruden, etc.)? Just curious.

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          Re: I blame the 2nd half of the season collapse on........

          [quote user="SweetZombieJesus"]So for 7 out of 8 years, where we've collapsed at the same time of the year, it's always injuries?

          You know Coughlin blasted Fassel for injuries, right?* Called it a "cancer".

          The only year this team did better than .500 down the stretch is 2005.* Nov/Dec record of 28-40.

          EVERY.* YEAR.* A collapse.

          2004 - lost 9 of last 11
          2006 - lost 6 of last 8
          2007 - lost 4 of last 8
          2008 - lost 3 of last 4
          2009 - lost 8 of last 11
          2010 - lost 2 of last 3 (with playoffs on the line in each loss)
          2011 - lost 3 of last 3

          But no, no, no; it's just injuries and it's just this year...* And the Giants are the only team to suffer injuries and injuries are not a part of pro football.
          [/quote]

          From the guy who is on record as saying that we should have fired TC after the 2008 season . . . .you have no credibility at all dude.

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            Re: I blame the 2nd half of the season collapse on........

            [quote user="SweetZombieJesus"]So for 7 out of 8 years, where we've collapsed at the same time of the year, it's always injuries?

            You know Coughlin blasted Fassel for injuries, right?* Called it a "cancer".

            The only year this team did better than .500 down the stretch is 2005.* Nov/Dec record of 28-40.

            EVERY.* YEAR.* A collapse.

            2004 - lost 9 of last 11
            2006 - lost 6 of last 8
            2007 - lost 4 of last 8
            2008 - lost 3 of last 4
            2009 - lost 8 of last 11
            2010 - lost 2 of last 3 (with playoffs on the line in each loss)
            2011 - lost 3 of last 3

            But no, no, no; it's just injuries and it's just this year...* And the Giants are the only team to suffer injuries and injuries are not a part of pro football.
            [/quote]

            From the guy who is on record as saying that we should have fired TC after the 2008 season . . . .you have no credibility at all dude.

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            • #7
              Re: I blame the 2nd half of the season collapse on........

              [quote user="GMENAGAIN"]From the guy who is on record as saying that we should have fired TC after the 2008 season . . . .you have no credibility at all dude.[/quote]

              LOL keep apologizing for failure even when you can't see the very point of failure.

              Keep doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result, great strategy.

              CLEARLY the fall from grace was blowing the #1 seed at home to the hated Eagles in a humiliating 23-11 loss. If you can't see that, you're blind. In every great sports downfall, there are clear points of failure. For Joe Torre, some would say it was blowing game 7 in the 2001 World Series. Others would say it was blowing a 3 game lead against the Red Sox in the 2004 ALCS. Either way it was over for Torre's regime even though he got several more "another chance" years before they realized it was never going to work again. For Pat Riley's Knicks it was Charles Smith rebounding and missing under the basket for about 15 minutes straight. For Tom Coughlin it was blowing the #1 seed post-Plax. The points of failure are clear if you open your eyes.

              3 straight years of "another chance" and you want to make it 4? Not to mention the same exact pattern of failure for 7 of his 8 years? You are a sucker.
              8-Time NFL Champions - 1927 1934 1938 1956 1986 1990 2007 2011

              "You win close games because you're prepared to do it. It doesn't just come down to luck." -- Bill Parcells

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                Re: I blame the 2nd half of the season collapse on........

                [quote user="SweetZombieJesus"][quote user="GMENAGAIN"]From the guy who is on record as saying that we should have fired TC after the 2008 season . . . .you have no credibility at all dude.[/quote]

                LOL keep apologizing for failure even when you can't see the very point of failure.

                Keep doing the same thing over and over.

                CLEARLY the fall from grace was blowing the #1 seed at home to the hated Eagles in a humiliating 23-11 loss.* If you can't see that, you're blind.

                But we already know that because you want to give him "another chance" after he's already had three straight years of "another chance" and he keeps failing, and in the same way too.
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                I have never said that TC should stay or go after this year . . . . I have just said that we should wait until after the final 5 games to make that evaluation. That is the way rational business people like the Giants front-office will look at the situation.

                Irrational mouthbreathers like you take ridiculous positions like (1) TC should have been fired after the 2008 season; and (2) the late season collapse in 2004 was TC's fault and had nothing to do with starting a rookie QB who played terribly.

                Do you see the difference between our positions now????

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                  Re: I blame the 2nd half of the season collapse on........

                  [quote user="GMENAGAIN"][quote user="buddy33"]Injuries and the OL being just so bad are the reason for the collapse. Also, it seems that every year they have a cupcake schedule to start the season and look like champions until they play real teams. I do like TC but unfortunately his record against winning teams is very bad.[/quote]

                  Do you know the records of other good coaches against winning teans (i.e., Belicheck, Cowher, Gruden, etc.)? Just curious.[/quote]

                  No, I just know that someone posted TC's record and it's not good. In fact it is very bad. Those guys you mentioned though, BB I'm sure has a very good record, Cower did have his team in a bunch of AFC Championships, and I'm not so sure about Gruden.

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                    Re: I blame the 2nd half of the season collapse on........

                    [quote user="buddy33"][quote user="GMENAGAIN"][quote user="buddy33"]Injuries and the OL being just so bad are the reason for the collapse. Also, it seems that every year they have a cupcake schedule to start the season and look like champions until they play real teams. I do like TC but unfortunately his record against winning teams is very bad.[/quote]

                    Do you know the records of other good coaches against winning teans (i.e., Belicheck, Cowher, Gruden, etc.)? Just curious.[/quote]

                    No, I just know that someone posted TC's record and it's not good. In fact it is very bad. Those guys you mentioned though, BB I'm sure has a very good record, Cower did have his team in a bunch of AFC Championships, and I'm not so sure about Gruden.[/quote]

                    THe stat means nothing to me unless it is in comparison to other coaches. It may be significant, it may not.

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                      Re: I blame the 2nd half of the season collapse on........

                      [quote user="GMENAGAIN"]

                      I have never said that TC should stay or go after this year . . . . I have just said that we should wait until after the final 5 games to make that evaluation. That is the way rational business people like the Giants front-office will look at the situation.

                      Irrational mouthbreathers like you take ridiculous positions like (1) TC should have been fired after the 2008 season; and (2) the late season collapse in 2004 was TC's fault and had nothing to do with starting a rookie QB who played terribly.

                      Do you see the difference between our positions now????[/quote]

                      Gotta love it, the person who looks at the CLEAR trend is a "mouthbreather" but the little child closing his eyes curled in the corner hoping for a different result is "rational".

                      I guess you never heard of statistics nor do you have the ability to analyze performance.

                      As for the 2004 collapse, sure, at the time, we all blamed rookie Eli. But put it in context now, and it's just ONE of SEVEN separate collapses. That would lead a rational thinker to reconsider his original position in light of new evidence.

                      But then again, I'm sure you have excuses for each and every one of his SEVEN collapses.
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                      "You win close games because you're prepared to do it. It doesn't just come down to luck." -- Bill Parcells

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                        Re: I blame the 2nd half of the season collapse on........

                        [quote user="SweetZombieJesus"][quote user="GMENAGAIN"]

                        I have never said that TC should stay or go after this year . . . . I have just said that we should wait until after the final 5 games to make that evaluation. That is the way rational business people like the Giants front-office will look at the situation.

                        Irrational mouthbreathers like you take ridiculous positions like (1) TC should have been fired after the 2008 season; and (2) the late season collapse in 2004 was TC's fault and had nothing to do with starting a rookie QB who played terribly.

                        Do you see the difference between our positions now????[/quote]

                        Gotta love it, the person who looks at the CLEAR trend is a "mouthbreather" but the little child closing his eyes curled in the corner hoping for a different result is "rational".

                        I guess you never heard of statistics nor do you have the ability to analyze performance.

                        As for the 2004 collapse, sure, at the time, we all blamed rookie Eli.* But put it in context now, and it's just ONE of SEVEN separate collapses.* That would lead a rational thinker to reconsider his original position in light of new evidence.

                        But then again, I'm sure you have excuses for each and every one of his SEVEN collapses.
                        [/quote]

                        You wanted TC fired at the end of the 2008 season . . . . .lol

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                        • #13
                          Re: I blame the 2nd half of the season collapse on........

                          Not significant? If they can't beat good teams that is incredibly significant. BB has won 3 SB's and Cower has been to a buch of AFC championship games. I'm sure he beat some good teams to get there. Don't know about Cower, but as far as TC, I believe other than 2007 the times they went to the playoffs they where 1 and done.

                          Don't make this into me not liking TC, I do. Those numbers are just disturbing though.

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                          • #14
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                            [quote user="GMENLOSEAGAIN"]You wanted TC fired at the end of the 2008 season . . . . .lol[/quote]

                            Yup, the team hasn't been competitive since then, has it? That season was the last time they won a critical game (securing home field against Carolina). There should have been a price to pay for such utter failure.

                            Haven't won a critical game since. Haven't been in the playoffs since. The team has crumbled to ashes in EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. OF. CONSEQUENCE. Since then. 2009 Saints on MNF -- trashed the season and kicked off a losing streak. Lose the last ever game at Giants Stadium 41-9. 2010 giving up a 24 point lead with 7:30 left to LOSE the division title and a guaranteed playoff spot; and then getting utterly demolished by Green Bay the following week with a playoff spot still up for grabs. Ah, good times for GMENLOSEAGAIN.

                            That 2008 collapse is a CLEAR POINT OF FAILURE. It was clear at the time, and it's only becoming more so as we pile on 3 more years of the same folly.

                            But I'm sure you have enjoyed the ensuing 3 years of failure and missing the playoffs, right? So much so you want a fourth?

                            LOL. Sucker. Next time will be different...


                            8-Time NFL Champions - 1927 1934 1938 1956 1986 1990 2007 2011

                            "You win close games because you're prepared to do it. It doesn't just come down to luck." -- Bill Parcells

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                              Re: I blame the 2nd half of the season collapse on........

                              [quote user="buddy33"]as far as TC, I believe other than 2007 the times they went to the playoffs they where 1 and done.

                              Don't make this into me not liking TC, I do. Those numbers are just disturbing though.[/quote]

                              Never won a playoff game outside of 2007.

                              Never won a home playoff game either. In fact both home playoff games have been disgusting sleep-walking attrocities (23-0 vs Panthers in 2005; 23-11 vs Eagles in 2008).

                              Parcells' teams gave us great memories at home. Even Fassel's teams gave us some great Giants Stadium memories. Coughlin's teams give us nightmares. I don't think we've had anything good happen at MetLife yet...
                              8-Time NFL Champions - 1927 1934 1938 1956 1986 1990 2007 2011

                              "You win close games because you're prepared to do it. It doesn't just come down to luck." -- Bill Parcells

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