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  • Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

    As the saying goes, to the victor goes all the spoils, but I felt that 49ers game offensively was not a very good one, especially the second half, 49ers made an adjustment defensively to defend the pass and Gilbride kept calling pass plays, throwing for over 50 times in such conditions is reckless, it was very fortunate that Eli didn't throw any INTs because he threw a few into double-coverage for a sure INTs if it wasn't for the defenders knocking each other out. Granted the running game was not very effective, but it wasn't totally ineffective either, Bradshaw was running good enough.

    The Patriots will entice Eli to throw the ball, as hot as Eli is, Patriots know that they have no chance if Giants get their running game going.

    No matter how things go with the running game, they have to stick to it, Eli can't throw for more than 50 times, 49ers game was an anomaly, because Giants have lost ALL games when the QB throws for more than 50 times in a game, including two by Eli.

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    Re: Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

    no disrespect, but i disagree completely. i thought vs SF, we were taking the only approach that could have won the game. the run game was doing absolutely nothing. we were moving the ball somewhat in the 2nd half, just didnt get enough time to get passes off on several 3rd downs.

    and vs NE, NE will def. try to take the strongest aspect of our O away and thats the pass. we should run vs NE not bc of patience, but bc it may be the best way to attack how they're defending. BUT, if the run game cannot get going, we will have to start depending on the pass, as has been the story all season.

    U do what u do best, especially when its carried u to the SB. To try and change who u are simply bc u MADE it to the SB is moronic. We are now a pass heavy team, if for no other reason, bc it actually works when the run game doesnt. and the run game hasnt worked for virtually the whole year.

    NE would be foolish to try and dare the Giants into passing. We already beat them, thanks in large part, bc of the pass game. and that was w/o nicks, a banged up MM, and no bradshaw.

    i expect the offense to explode on the 31rst ranked defense, for eli to go off and be careful yet aggressive with the passing game, and for the run to work. remember, even when the run game is working, KG uses the pass to setup the run. not the other way around.

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    • #3
      Re: Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

      that 3rd and 15 td pass to MM was what SF wanted us to face. That play and distance was what SF wanted. Should we have just run to setup the FG? or do u attack to try and win? we attacked, and got the td.

      NE d is NOTHING like the d of SF. We will be able to pass all over them. Their slot DB is a WR/RB. Cruz wins that all day.

      Pass pass and pass some more. if they get a lucky INT, eli will forget the last play and focus on the next, as he always does. but i expect eli to be very meticulous and focused. I honestly see us winning this by a couple scores.

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      • #4
        Re: Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

        I disagree as well. The Giants are going to face a defense which is much weaker than the 49ers. The only reason the Patriots are in the Super Bowl is cause they can score a ton of points. They just faced an anemic Ravens offense and barely won that game.

        Gilbride has been better in the playoffs but he still is too conservative and also in love with the draw play. I already know when its coming every time they line up on a 3rd and short, trust me other teams do as well that why it never freaking works. Giants can try to establish the run but they dont need to run to win this game. Eli can pick that secondary apart!

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        • #5
          Re: Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

          [quote user="NYBlue10"]As the saying goes, to the victor goes all the spoils[/quote]

          That's a GREAT headline if Cruz can be the MVP


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          • #6
            Re: Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

            No, killdrive had the right idea being aggressive. You weren't likely to have a 15 yard scoring drive against that defense, you were better off looking deep trying to score off a broken tackle of blown coverage.

            I think he needs to stay aggressive, but not as much as the sf game. Spread the field, move the ball and score. The offensive philosophy should be to bury them, because the pats are always going to be able to score, but you want them to always be playing catchup.

            The pats are gonna be worried about the pass rush the whole time. I would tell eli to just ****in sling it

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            • #7
              Re: Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

              C'mon people, you are just making excuses because we won, if we lost you'd be screaming and questioning why they were calling over 50 pass plays in such HORRID conditions. In the 2nd half our 3rd down conversion % was as bad as 49ers. It's never a good idea to be one-dimensional, it only makes the opposing defense's job easier. The fact that our O-line couldn't pass-protect Eli is another reason for calling more running plays as well.

              49ers will take 3rd and 15 any day, would it be 3rd and 15 if they ran the ball on the first two downs? No, probably a shorter distance, then Eli could throw a much easier pass for a 1st down or a TD, you can't say passing game worked just because they got a TD on that play, it obviously wasn't working in the 2nd half, and the only reason we even scored was from the turnover, Eli didn't pass his way across the field or anything.

              Hey I'm not saying Eli shouldn't pass more than run plays, I just think they have to be more patient and balanced, over 50 pass plays in THAT WEATHER, is just non-sense.

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              • #8
                Re: Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

                [quote user="NYBlue10"]As the saying goes, to the victor goes all the spoils, but I felt that 49ers game offensively was not a very good one, especially the second half, 49ers made an adjustment defensively to defend the pass and Gilbride kept calling pass plays, throwing for over 50 times in such conditions is reckless, it was very fortunate that Eli didn't throw any INTs because he threw a few into double-coverage for a sure INTs if it wasn't for the defenders knocking each other out. Granted the running game was not very effective, but it wasn't totally ineffective either, Bradshaw was running good enough.

                The Patriots will entice Eli to throw the ball, as hot as Eli is, Patriots know that they have no chance if Giants get their running game going.

                No matter how things go with the running game, they have to stick to it, Eli can't throw for more than 50 times, 49ers game was an anomaly, because Giants have lost ALL games when the QB throws for more than 50 times in a game, including two by Eli.[/quote]

                i might tend to agree with you if we had been a consistently good running team all year, but we have to accept the fact that our running game is not that strong and SFs D is about as good as it gets



                i thought what slowed us down more than anything, well aside from the onslaught of a pass rush, was the injury to Nicks ... there is no question in my mind that we were throwing more passes to Cruz b/c Nicks shoulder was hurting after being popped back into place and that prevented him from extending ... making him mostly a decoy

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                • #9
                  Re: Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

                  [quote user="NYBlue10"]C'mon people, you are just making excuses because we won, if we lost you'd be screaming and questioning why they were calling over 50 pass plays in such HORRID conditions. In the 2nd half our 3rd down conversion % was as bad as 49ers. It's never a good idea to be one-dimensional, it only makes the opposing defense's job easier. The fact that our O-line couldn't pass-protect Eli is another reason for calling more running plays as well.

                  49ers will take 3rd and 15 any day, would it be 3rd and 15 if they ran the ball on the first two downs? No, probably a shorter distance, then Eli could throw a much easier pass for a 1st down or a TD, you can't say passing game worked just because they got a TD on that play, it obviously wasn't working in the 2nd half, and the only reason we even scored was from the turnover, Eli didn't pass his way across the field or anything.

                  Hey I'm not saying Eli shouldn't pass more than run plays, I just think they have to be more patient and balanced, over 50 pass plays in THAT WEATHER, is just non-sense.[/quote]

                  Against that defense, throwing was the way to go regardless of the weather conditions. They have a hell of a defense. The Pats on the other hand, do not. We should be able to run, pass as much as we need to. They do stiffen up in the red zone though, so a key for us is when we get there to get 7 instead of 3.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

                    now here's a good one ... SF with arguably one of the very best running backs in the NFL, playing with the lead only ran the ball 20 times vs. us and that is the coach of the year in SF



                    we had the worst running attack in football and we ran it 9 more times than SF and we were behind trying to make a comeback



                    i think a dose of reality is needed here

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                    • #11
                      Re: Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

                      [quote user="G-Man67"]now here's a good one ... SF with arguably one of the very best running backs in the NFL, playing with the lead only ran the ball 20 times vs. us and that is the coach of the year in SF



                      we had the worst running attack in football and we ran it 9 more times than SF and we were behind trying to make a comeback



                      i think a dose of reality is needed here[/quote]
                      49ers clearly blew it by going away from the run because Gore was having a nice day, and I think 49ers may have won if they stuck to it. Even the 49ers coaching staff bought into the Alex Smith hype too much.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

                        The SB will be played in different conditions against a different team... Thank God!!!
                        Get honest, look at the tape, people! Not to bad rap the G Men but we were lucky that we didn't get intercepted at least 2X's if not more. That ball was flying around in the air just waiting to get an INT put on it. I agree the running game was going no where because of the O line and the calls, the 9ers had our number on the ground! . Two things would have helped: put Petrus in and put baas on the pine and use short passes as runs. It still would have been tough against that D running the plays we did. The SB will give us a lot more opportunity to run but not with baas in there. They had a great plan for the first meeting, work it again, plus some wrinkles!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

                          [quote user="NYBlue10"]As the saying goes, to the victor goes all the spoils, but I felt that 49ers game offensively was not a very good one, especially the second half, 49ers made an adjustment defensively to defend the pass and Gilbride kept calling pass plays, throwing for over 50 times in such conditions is reckless, it was very fortunate that Eli didn't throw any INTs because he threw a few into double-coverage for a sure INTs if it wasn't for the defenders knocking each other out. Granted the running game was not very effective, but it wasn't totally ineffective either, Bradshaw was running good enough.

                          The Patriots will entice Eli to throw the ball, as hot as Eli is, Patriots know that they have no chance if Giants get their running game going.

                          No matter how things go with the running game, they have to stick to it, Eli can't throw for more than 50 times, 49ers game was an anomaly, because Giants have lost ALL games when the QB throws for more than 50 times in a game, including two by Eli.[/quote]Maybe you mean balanced instead of patient? which will most likely be the case.

                          Either way, all three wrs are hot and so is Eli. Why take the ball away from them? We should stick with what got us here. Let the Patriots entice Eli to throw. They should be scared of him and the giants receivers, not the other way around. And I bet they are.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

                            [quote user="NYBlue10"][quote user="G-Man67"]now here's a good one ... SF with arguably one of the very best running backs in the NFL, playing with the lead only ran the ball 20 times vs. us and that is the coach of the year in SF



                            we had the worst running attack in football and we ran it 9 more times than SF and we were behind trying to make a comeback



                            i think a dose of reality is needed here[/quote]
                            49ers clearly blew it by going away from the run because Gore was having a nice day, and I think 49ers may have won if they stuck to it. Even the 49ers coaching staff bought into the Alex Smith hype too much.[/quote]

                            agreed, but the Eli hype is real ... when we need to move the ball, he is option #1 ... it's disappointing that our running game went south this year, but it has and that SF D wasn't giving up anything ... i think SF abandoned the run, but i think we simply had to throw to move the ball and comeback



                            finally, i know everyone thinks back to that Skins game where the wind was 50 MPH and says here we go again ... there was nothing, other than the SF pass rush, preventing us from throwing ... yes it was raining, but i never saw the rain affect a throw or even many catches ... i'm sure Eli was often out in the rain down in Mississippi chucking it around back in the day

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                            • #15
                              Re: Eli & Gilbride have to be VERY patient vs. Patriots

                              [quote user="NYBlue10"]As the saying goes, to the victor goes all the spoils, but I felt that 49ers game offensively was not a very good one, especially the second half, 49ers made an adjustment defensively to defend the pass and Gilbride kept calling pass plays, throwing for over 50 times in such conditions is reckless, it was very fortunate that Eli didn't throw any INTs because he threw a few into double-coverage for a sure INTs if it wasn't for the defenders knocking each other out. Granted the running game was not very effective, but it wasn't totally ineffective either, Bradshaw was running good enough.

                              The Patriots will entice Eli to throw the ball, as hot as Eli is, Patriots know that they have no chance if Giants get their running game going.

                              No matter how things go with the running game, they have to stick to it, Eli can't throw for more than 50 times, 49ers game was an anomaly, because Giants have lost ALL games when the QB throws for more than 50 times in a game, including two by Eli.[/quote]

                              I disagree. In this game, in a dome, with our WR's....If EVER there was a time for Gilbride to unleash this passing game, this is the game and the defense to do it against.

                              Eli just has to be smart about where he puts it.

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