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    "Antrel Rolle is playing in his second Super Bowl, this one with the Giants, and
    the safety plans on winning this time.

    “We’re going to win this thing,” Rolle said at Media Day today at Lucas Oil
    Stadium. “We’re going to win this thing for a lot of good reasons.”

    Rolle expressed his confidence several other times. The Giants are “not going
    to be denied,” he said. He also said the team is going to “go out there and take
    care of business, and it will be done.”

    But later asked if he guaranteed a win, Rolle balked at the suggestion.

    “I didn’t say we’re going to win, I said we’re going to go out there and do
    whatever it takes to win,” Rolle said. “I didn’t guarantee anything

    Rolle was on the losing end of Super Bowl XLIII, when the Steelers beat the

    The Giants were at one point 7-7, but when they beat the Jets in Week 16,
    Rolle said that was the turning point for his team.

    “There was a lot of trash talk throughout the week, and we just said, ‘We’ll
    let our play do the talking for us,’ ” Rolle said. “And we got hit with a lot
    that game. I think there was some outrageous calls that game where things could
    have been overturned, and I think they were definitely getting fed the biscuit
    that game.”

    Rolle meant that the referees were giving favorable calls to the “home” Jets.
    One questionable call in particular was when Jason Pierre-Paul looked to strip
    quarterback Mark Sanchez after beating left tackle D’Brickashaw Ferguson -- but
    a challenge by Ryan reversed the call. Afterward, coach Tom Coughlin said “we’re
    going to have to revisit the ‘tuck rule.’”

    “But no matter what was going our way, we weren’t going to let it change the
    way we were going to play,” Rolle said. “We didn’t let it change our mentality,
    and we didn’t let it change our fight, and I think that’s where we grew as a
    team mentally. Not so much physically but mentally. We understood at that point,
    no matter what is going our way, we won’t get sidetracked and we won’t get

    Rolle said the trash talk from the Jets didn’t mean much to him but he did
    make it clear that the Giants silenced their cross-town rivals.

    “No matter what is being said, the game has to be played on Sunday,” Rolle
    said. “You can’t talk with your mouth. You can only go out there and put your
    pads on and let your pads to the talking. And I think we solved


    "The Giants’ superstitious ways are no secret. From their Christmas tree in
    the practice facility’s lobby throughout their playoff run to individual quirks,
    the team is as superstitious as they come.

    So when rookie tackle James Brewer got off the Giants team plane Monday with
    a huge teddy bear in hand, like he had just come home from the carnival, it was
    just another talisman for a team full of them.

    It was a potentially embarrassing image for the 6-6, 325-pound offensive
    lineman, but Brewer was happy -- even honored -- to do it.

    The bear became fellow tackle Kareem McKenzie's good luck charm back in 2007
    as the Giants made their improbable run to Super Bowl XLII and it called
    McKenzie's locker home this season. It has also gone on the team's road trips so
    leaving it home wasn’t an option.

    "In 2007 they brought the bear to every game, including the Super Bowl in
    Arizona when we beat the Patriots," Brewer said. "The veterans gave me the task
    of carrying the bear here. It's a good luck charm kind of thing."

    Not only is Brewer enjoying a Super Bowl as a rookie, he’s doing it in his
    hometown. Brewer attended Arlington High School for his senior year and played
    football for the first time there. Despite the limited experience he showed
    enough potential to earn a scholarship to Indiana.

    He turned that into a solid college career and a fourth-round selection in
    April’s draft. He’s been inactive for every game this season and will almost
    certainly be inactive on Sunday, but the Giants viewed him as a long-term
    project when they drafted him.

    Now he’s just happy to experience a Super Bowl back home.

    “For me, I’ve been blessed to be in a position where one -- to be in a Super
    Bowl, and two -- to be back home for that Super Bowl,” he said. “So I couldn’t
    ask for anything more than I have right here.”


    "-- Mario
    Manningham told the Boston Herald last week he hopes to see Julian Edelman

    out there on defense. That sort of had a negative connotation to it, so today
    Manningham tried to clarify.

    “It’s not like that. I respect him as a player, I understand that he’s a good
    player,” the Giants’ wide receiver said during a Media Day session with
    reporters. “He plays wide receiver and defensive back. I don’t take anything
    from him but he plays offense.

    “So I know he’s a competitive player, but I’m going to try to win. No matter
    who lines up in front of me, I’m going to try to win.”

    Okay, easy enough of a clarification. Moving on. …

    Wait, hang on.

    "It’s not just me, but us as a receiving corps," Manningham said when asked
    about "exposing" Edelman in the secondary. "We know he’s a great player, but we
    want to go out and do what we have to do to win. No matter what it takes.

    “He plays wide receiver. He’s not a real defensive back. Did he get drafted
    as a defensive back? We have a little bond going on knowing that we can beat
    somebody. We’re confident. I hope he’s out there.”

    So much for softening his stance. And so much for what he tries to accomplish
    here in this next quote.

    “I don’t really want to say anything more about him. We’ll see on Sunday,”
    Manningham said when asked if Edelman can cover the slot receiver. “Do you think
    he can?”

    * * * *

    While we’re on the subject of trash talk, why don’t we double
    back with DE Osi Umenyiora, who said he and Pats LT Matt Light will
    their rivalry on Sunday.

    “He just does all of that extra pushing and tries to hit you over the pile
    and stuff like that,” Umenyiora said. “But at the end of the day, I’m not paying
    any attention to that anymore. We’re just going to go out there and play and
    that’s just going to be the end of it.”

    No more fighting?

    “Nah, not at all. Not on this stage,” Umenyiora said. “I don’t think it’s
    going to be a situation with us fighting or doing anything crazy like that.
    We’re just going to play good, solid football.”

    Light was not at Media Day. He was excused by the team and the NFL because
    he’s sick.

    “He’ll be okay,” Umenyiora said. “A little cold, a little flu, that’s nothing
    compared to what most of us have to play with. I think he’ll be okay.”

    * * * *

    We wrote
    for today’s paper on the Giants’ business-like approach upon landing here

    and how it differed from the way they stomped onto this stage four years

    “The 2007 team was just playing,” RB Brandon Jacobs said. “We knew we had a
    terrible season and we had a last opportunity to take advantage of and made the
    playoffs. But all along, during those playoffs, we were just playing.

    “We didn’t really know then. This team knows we can come out here and do
    this. … We worked super-hard to get here and we’re going to try to finish this
    thing off.”


    Excerpt: "Perry Fewell knows he wants to be a head coach, but was not worried when he
    didn't receive any offers during the recent hiring binge around the league.

    Fewell thinks that if the Buccaneers, Rams, Jaguars, Raiders, Colts or
    Dolphins called, he would not have interviewed in order to stay focused on the
    defense through this playoff stretch.

    "You know what? I was so focused on
    helping us win that I probably would have said no," he said. "I really wanted
    this for our football team, this team has come through a lot this year, we grew
    a lot together this year, I wasn't going to be selfish okay? And sometimes you
    have to not look at yourself and you think about the team and I thought about
    the team in this situation."


    "Rodney Harrison said there's no hard feelings with his former Patriots teammates
    now that he's in a position to criticize as an NBC commentator.

    understand, he says, and they know he's rooting for them.

    But Harrison
    doesn't seem that confident. When asked if the Patriots have enough on the back
    end to cover the Giants trio of wide receivers, he had this to say:

    a consistent basis? No. They're going to have to step up and you're going to
    have to have guys like Sterling Moore and (Kyle) Arrington play outside of
    themselves and they're going to have to play well."

    Harrison blamed the
    issues in part on former Rutgers product Devin McCourty, who made the Pro Bowl
    in his inaugural season after picking off seven passes and forcing two

    This year, his numbers have been down considerably, to which
    Harrison blames mental mistakes.

    "Devin McCourty, he's a player, if he focuses in, he has the ability to be an
    elite cornerback in this league. But when I watch film on him, it's the little
    things he does wrong *-- it's being outside technique when he should be inside.
    It's being inside when he should be outside, peeking in the backfield, those
    little things keep you from being an elite player, a consistent player and from
    getting beat," Harrison said.

    During their last matchup, neither Victor
    Cruz nor Mario Manningham had more than 100 yards receiving, due partly to the
    fact that Hakeem Nicks was sitting out with a hamstring injury.

    But if
    there's any chance to replicate that performance with Nicks in play, Harrison
    said, they will have to avoid those same mistakes that continue to show up on
    film each week.

    "This is a time for the Patriots to really come
    together," he said, "not blow the coverages and have the miscommunications
    they've had in the past and if they do that, I think they can compete and stay
    right there with the Giants."


    Excerpt: "Over on, Globe columnist Bob Ryan puts the Giants
    in a "truly balanced" category among NFL playoff teams, the only one to fall
    under that title.

    Ryan writes in hindsight, it's "very obvious the Giants had more going for
    them than anyone" and the 9-7 record overshadowed just how good they were.

    Here are some other Super Bowl links that Giants fans may find

    • Bill Barnwell of takes a look at — and gives insight into —
    of the gambling prop bets available for the Super Bowl.
    If you think the
    Giants will blow out the Patriots, you could win a lot of money. And for the
    truly hardcore degenerates, heads or tails on the coin toss?" Read more...



    "“Go Giants!”

    For at least one fan of the New York football team, the phrase is a kind of

    Township resident Tim Cooper is that fan. After being given a game ball at
    the Giants-Packers playoff game, his son Brooks, 11, is destined to become that
    kind of fan, too.

    The game, played in Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wis., just happened to fall
    on dad’s 46th birthday, Jan. 15.

    “I always wanted to go out there for a game,” Cooper said a week before the
    Super Bowl. When he received a birthday gift of the tickets from someone in his
    family, that clinched it.

    “If you are a football fan, Green Bay is like the Mecca,” Cooper said.

    His wife, Leslie, has little interest in football. “It’s better now that my
    son is interested, too,” he said.

    Boy and man flew out to Chicago then drove to Green Bay on the Saturday
    before the game. They planned a tour of the stadium on Monday, regardless of the
    outcome of the game. “Win or lose, it was going to be a great experience.”

    On Sunday, they dressed in full Giants regalia and headed out to the game.
    “We had Giants paraphernalia and signs and stuff,” Cooper said, but they weren’t
    harassed by the locals. “It’s the one place if you go to root for the opposite
    team, no problem,” he said. “There’s no nicer group of people than Packers fans.
    You get the give-and-take ribbing and stuff, but nothing nasty.”

    Anyway, the game goes off, the Giants are ahead — honestly, it’s a rout —
    and, with just a few minutes to go (“The Giants were milking the clock,” Cooper
    said.), he notices something going on between Brooks and one of the Giants
    equipment wranglers.

    When he turns to look, Brooks is holding the game ball. “The smile on his
    face was priceless. I snapped a couple pictures.”

    “They must have made eye contact,” Cooper said of Brooks and the equipment
    guy. “Just being in the right place at the right time.”

    The game ended, Giants 37 - Green Bay 20. The grin on Brooks’ face is still

    The sixth-grader hasn’t brought the prize to school, he said. “It’s kind of
    big,” his dad said. They’ve ordered a trophy case to put the ball on the wall in
    a football holder.

    Brooks might bring it to the Super Bowl party they always attend at a
    friend’s house in town on Sunday.

    “Go Giants,” Cooper said."


    "So you’re not a football aficionado. For 364 days of the year that’s nothing
    to be embarrassed about, but on Super Bowl Sunday, that “uberest” of all sports
    days in America, it’s definitely a problem.

    How much of a problem? There are tens of millions of people around the world,
    from Antarctica to Zanzibar — and including places you’ve never heard of, like
    Burkina Faso, formerly the West African nation of Upper Volta, if that’s any
    help — who will be watching the Super Bowl and know more about the game than

    In fact, if you must know, there are Facebook pages — “I hate bandwagon
    fans,” for instance — devoted to talking smack about you latecomers to America’s

    But don’t be discouraged. You’re not alone. An estimated 40 percent of all
    those who will be watching Sunday’s Super Bowl aren’t football fans. We know you
    don’t mean to be so “backward,” and we know you’re bandwagon intentions are
    good. You just want to be a part of the party. So we want to help.

    Herewith, a crash course for all you NFL neophytes. Abide by these rules and
    learn these terms and you will not only enjoy the game, you will avoid the wrath
    of Facebook’s know-it-all trash talkers. (Trust me, you don’t want to read what
    they’re saying about you right now.)


    1. Never, ever wear the jersey of a team not playing in the big game.
    (And don’t be tempted to buy that discount Jets jersey.)

    If you know what’s
    good for you — and you’re not an alien from New England — the colors on your
    back better be Giants blue.

    2. If you’re a woman, please no heels
    You might sustain a
    high ankle sprain in a rowdy crowd of fans cheering every first down.

    3. No bangles andbracelets
    Too noisy. And no pom-poms:
    too nerdy.

    4. Dress comfortably
    Because you might have to find a
    seat on the carpet.

    5. If you’re a man, please actually wear something other than a
    food-stained hoodi
    It’s not a formal affair, but clean clothes are
    a prerequisite, especially socks, because you may have to take off your shoes if
    you’re sitting on the floor or your host is fussy.

    6.And please, please, no Mel Gibson-"Braveheart"

    Nothing screams “wannabe” louder than eye black.


    1. Arrive late
    Do we really have to tell you this?
    Remember, you will be watching the Super Bowl with people who really care about
    the game, so ringing the doorbell during the Giants’ first offensive series is a serious
    faux pas. Make sure you arrive at least 30 minutes before the kickoff
    (officially 6:30 p.m.), early enough to take in some of the pregame, meet
    everyone in the room and find a place to sit. If you know you’re a habitual
    latecomer, there are numerous Super Bowl countdown widgets you can download or
    install on your favorite electronic device.

    2. Talk during the game
    Nothing is more annoying than not
    being able to follow the action because someone is chattering away or asking
    inane questions. If you must talk, save it for a timeout or a commercial — there
    will be plenty of them.

    3. Get up to go to the bathroom in the middle of a

    (See No. 2) Remember, you’re not watching the game by yourself
    and any unnecessary motion might block someone else’s line of sight.

    4. Bring your kids
    This is negotiable, of course, if the
    host of the party actually has a separate venue for children, then it’s okay. If
    you’re not sure if children are even invited, ask the host or hostess well ahead
    of time.


    1. What’s a punt?
    When the offense fails to advance the
    ball 10 yards in three downs, they kick it to the other team.

    2. What’s a down?
    There are four downs, or chances, in
    football, for a team, on offense, to move the ball at least 10 yards. If they
    don’t the other team takes over.

    3. Why is the quarterback gesturing wildly with his hands before a
    play, “templing” his fingers?

    It’s the signal for “no huddle,” used
    in a “hurry up” offense, often when time is running out on the clock.

    4. What is MHK?
    Those patches on the New England
    Patriots’ uniforms are the initials of Myra Kraft, the late wife of Patriots
    owner Robert Kraft. When she died last summer, Patriots players dedicated the
    season to her.


    1. HDTV
    If you don’t have it, your guests will riot — and
    don’t even think of suing for damages. You’d lose.

    2. One woman/one man TV remote
    Appoint the most adult
    person in the room to handle the remote. This way you can avoid accidental
    switches to a “60 Minutes” or “CSI” rerun.

    3. A DVR would be nice
    It’s not essential, of course, but
    if anyone misses an important play or one of those multimillion-dollar
    commercials, you could play them back.

    4. Well-planned geographic placement of food
    Place bowls
    of munchies in all corners of the room. There’s nothing worse than someone
    standing up to reach for the chips in the middle of an important play and
    blocking the view of everyone on the couch.

    5. Be prepared for children
    Even if you’ve specifically
    said this is an adults-only party, if a guest’s babysitter cancels at the last
    minute, you must have a backup plan, aka a playroom far away from the TV.



    1. Play action: When a quarterback fakes that he is going to
    hand the ball off to a running back and instead throws a pass.

    2. Tight end: Those unnaturally large men who play outside
    the tackles on the four-man offensive line. A hybrid between a receiver and a
    lineman, they sometimes block for the running back or catch passes.

    3. Wideout: Another name for a wide receiver, the skinny
    fast guys usually standing alone, and are farthest from the quarterback

    4. Shotgun formation: When the quarterback does not take the
    ball directly from the hands of the center, but instead stands several feet
    behind him when the ball is hiked. This saves time during pass plays when the QB
    doesn’t have to drop back and take several steps to get in the clear before
    throwing the ball.

    5. Spread offense: Multiple wide receivers and often
    employed when the quarterback is in shotgun formation.

    6. Go pattern: When the receiver runs straight down the
    field for a long pass. It’s the simplest pass play in football.

    7. Post pattern: When the wide receiver runs down the field
    and then angles toward the center. (A “skinny” post is the same thing, only a
    shorter route.)


    1. Blitz: When five or more defensive players rush the

    2. Down linemen: Those 300-pound men who get down in a
    three-point or four-point stance, that is, who place one or two hands on the
    ground as they crouch in their stance before a play starts.

    3. Linebacker: The defensive players who usually stand
    behind the lineman. The middle linebacker is like the quarterback of the defense
    and must be able to stop rushers who get beyond the line of scrimmage, defend
    short passes and run at the quarterback during a blitz.

    4. Safety: There are usually two safeties, the last line of
    defense and the farthest from the line of scrimmage, often helping the
    cornerbacks (the men who cover the wide receivers) on long pass plays.

    5. Nose tackle: The defensive player directly opposite the
    other team’s center, who hikes the ball, and is thus practically nose to nose
    with him.

    6. Holding: One of the most common penalties. Defensive
    holding includes holding the jersey of an offensive player or extending an arm
    to cut off his forward progress. Offensive holding is more serious and is
    incurred when an offensive player holds the jersey of an opponent, wraps his
    arms around him or prevents him from getting up off the ground when the ball is
    still in play.

    7. Pass interference: When a defender, usually a cornerback
    or safety, but also a linebacker, impedes a receiver when he is more than five
    years beyond the line of scrimmage, pulls his shirt or holds his arms or makes
    contact with the receiver before the ball reaches him. These are judgment calls
    and often cause the most controversy when they are called or not called,
    depending on which team you’re rooting for.


    Q: Who scored the first touchdown in a Super Bowl XXI for the Giants?

    A: Zeke Mowatt, on a 6-yard pass from Phil

    Q: How many championships, including the Pre-Super Bowl era, have the
    Giants won?

    A: A total of 7 Seven: four NFL
    championships (1927, 1934, 1938, 1956), three Super Bowl championships (1986-87,
    1990-91, 2007-08)

    Q: Before the Giants were incorporated as the New York Football
    Giants Inc., what was the full team name?

    A: New
    York National League Football Company Inc.

    Q: Who was the last member of the Giants to win the regular-season
    MVP award

    A: Lawrence Taylor

    Q: Quarterback Y.A. Tittle’s number is retired by the Giants. What
    was his number

    A: No. 14

    Q: What year was the famous “Sneakers Game” played at the Polo

    A: Dec. 9, 1934 (NFL Championship game
    played in single-digit temperatures and the field was so icy the Giants switched
    to sneakers instead of cleats. They beat the Chicago Bears, 30-13)

    Q: Who was the defensive coordinator for the Giants on the 1986 Super
    Bowl team?

    A: Bill Belichick

    Q: What is the closest game in Super Bowl

    A: In 1991 the Giants beat the Buffalo
    Bills in Super Bowl XXV, 20-19. The Bills’ kicker, Scott Norwood, missed a
    47-yard field-goal attempt with eight seconds left. This 1991 Super Bowl was the
    first one Super Bowl in which no turnovers were committed by either team.

    *Questions and answers courtesy of the official New York Giants team


    "The guy who stepped off the team charter in a neon fuchsia tie seemed like a
    good place to start.

    This was the Giants’ first media
    session in the weeklong hype extravaganza, and to get a barometer for just how
    much noise would be generated by the NFC champs, we went straight to the team’s
    starting FS.

    As in, Free Speaker.

    So how about it, Antrel Rolle? Care to label Tom Brady an average
    quarterback? Or question Bill Belichick’s defensive schemes? Or go with the old
    standby and just guarantee a victory to give us all something to blather about
    for the next six interminable days?

    “That’s not going to happen,” the Giants’ biggest mouth said in a tone drier
    than the Indianapolis nightlife.

    There you have it. If it’s not going to happen with Rolle, it’s probably not
    going to happen at all. Maybe one of the Giants will surprise us this week and
    create a headline — Hynoski: Pats can’t contain me! — but more likely than not,
    it’ll be a quiet week in this quiet city.

    Which, for this team, is a good thing. The Giants may have fed off their
    us-against-the-world swagger from four years ago, marching into Arizona in their
    black suits for the “funeral” of the perfect New England Patriots season, but
    these Giants don’t need to orchestrate a show to prove their confidence this

    They don’t need to have one comment blown out of proportion — look at what
    happened with Brady’s innocuous quote about a victory party he made at a pep
    rally. They don’t need the potential distraction from a silly guarantee or
    anything that could be perceived as a jab at the Patriots.

    Even Rolle, who usually has no brain-to-mouth filter, understands that. So
    for 26 minutes Monday, he was polite and engaging but totally non-controversial.
    Be prepared to hear a lot of quotes like this:

    “This is a business trip,” Rolle said. “We’re not here for fun. We’re not
    here to do anything but take care of the Patriots on Sunday night.”

    Is it a team-wide moratorium on juicy sound bytes? Or just an individual
    choice to tone it down?

    “It’s not about toning things down,” Rolle said. “It’s about knowing where
    you are and what’s at stake. There’s nothing that needs to be said and there’s
    nothing that’s going to be said.”

    Rolle, in many ways, is the one who sets the tone for this Giants team, a
    slimmer Michael Strahan without the gapped-tooth smile. He’s gotten himself in
    trouble before, including his ill-advised quip that the Giants would beat the
    Washington Redskins “99 times out of 100” (they went 0-2 against them) and his
    gripes about Tom Coughlin’s rigid rules (they’ve since become BFFs).

    It hasn’t always been pretty. But every team needs somebody who leads with
    his tongue, and Rolle is that guy for this team. He credits his parents — his
    father, Al, is a police chief and his mother, Armelia, is a guidance counselor —
    for raising him to speak with conviction and, damn the consequences, be

    “He is not a mouthy kind of person,” Armelia Rolle said over the phone from
    Miami on Monday. “That’s the New York version of Antrel.”

    Mom was on her way to have a tooth pulled and made it very clear that she had
    no patience for her son’s reputation. Still, she knows her son has found trouble
    for some of his comments, and she doesn’t care.

    “When you ask him a question, he only has two options,” she said. “Do you
    want him to ignore you or answer you? And do you want him to tell you the truth
    or lie to you? He doesn’t talk just to be talking.”

    And, for the most
    part, his most pointed comments have been well timed. He ripped the defense’s
    lazy play and stupid mistakes after an embarrassing loss to the Saints in
    November, then pleaded with his teammates to fight through injuries after a home
    loss to the Redskins three weeks later.

    “Everything I say,” Rolle said, “is for the betterment of this team.”

    Now that the Giants are on a five-game winning streak that includes beating
    the Packers and the 49ers on the road in the postseason, Rolle doesn’t have to
    push any buttons.

    No mock funerals. No big guarantees. The crush of cameras and microphones
    will be looking for him this week, looking for anything to fill the hours until
    kickoff. Rolle, the team’s designated Free Speaker, knows the Giants don’t need
    to puff out their chests this time around.
    The loudest thing about this team
    Monday was that fuchsia tie around his neck. And that’s a good thing."


    "The last time they strolled onto this stage, they did so in black suits,
    stomping as loudly as they could, rattling the cages and announcing their

    The Giants had arrived at the Super
    Bowl. And while the rest of the world was counting them out six days before
    kickoff, they were ready to carry out the casket of the New England Patriots’
    perfect season.

    “Honestly, that (suit) thing was us coming together as a football team. We
    wanted to kill a dynasty and that’s what they were,” defensive end Justin Tuck,
    wearing a tan suit with a purple-and-green striped tie, said Monday shortly
    after the Giants arrived at Super Bowl XLVI.

    “But now, we’ve been here before and we feel as though all that is secondary.
    We just wanted to come in here, have our mind focused on playing a great
    football game and not get caught up in all the hoopla around the game.”

    This was a more subdued, business-like team than the one that landed in
    Glendale, Ariz., dressed for a funeral at the urging of undertaker Antonio

    With Pierce retired and the Giants having taken on the personality of their
    not-so-pompous leaders — Tuck and Eli Manning — there were no brash statements
    Monday, either verbal or symbolic. They’re only 3-point underdogs right now, as
    opposed to the 12-point abyss between them and the Pats four years ago. And
    while they’ve been quick to play the disrespect card even when it would seem to
    be well tucked into the deck, this time they chose a more measured approach.

    Beginning with their departure in front of about a hundred fans, as opposed
    to the
    pep rally the Pats threw
    in Foxborough, Mass.

    “I like the way it was,” right guard Chris Snee said. “So I can just get on
    the bus and leave.”

    It was then posed to Snee pep rallies can be fun.

    “I’d rather have a pep rally a week from (today) back at MetLife Stadium,” he

    Make no mistake, this Giants team has done its share of chirping this season.
    And by the end of the week, perhaps Mario Manningham, Victor Cruz or Antrel
    Rolle will slip up and make a comment that can be stretched into trash talk.

    But for one day, they behaved themselves. And frankly, they didn’t need Tom
    Coughlin to tighten the reins.

    The players themselves — in the form of Coughlin’s “leadership council” —
    recommended stricter curfews than they had in Super Bowl XLII (1 a.m. Tuesday
    and Wednesday and had no curfew the day they arrived). This year, they’re to be
    in bed at midnight — 11:55 p.m. Coughlin time — every day until Saturday when
    it’s 11 p.m.

    This isn’t to argue for either approach. It’s just that there’s a greater
    sense of this being a business trip this time around.

    “A lot of times you say it doesn’t hit you until you get here. I think it hit
    us early,” Tuck said. “You could just see the focus on the last couple of
    practices we had before we left. … We understood where we were going.”

    Well, maybe the veterans. For the first-timers, it’s hitting them now.

    “I sent a couple of texts out (to his fiancée) and said, ‘It’s just now
    setting in,’ when we were taking off and landing,” said linebacker Mathias
    Kiwanuka, who was on injured reserve with a broken leg four years ago. “It’s
    just because there are so many things that can go wrong during the course of a
    year and you don’t know if you’ll actually make it to this point. But actually
    sitting on the plane, that’s when it kind of started to set in.”

    Even Coughlin had a moment when he saw all of the cameras aboard.

    “You kind of have to catch yourself,” he said, “realizing you have a lot of
    work to do throughout the course of the week.”

    That’s the message from the veterans, 16 of them from the Giants’ last Super
    Bowl and another four who made it to the big game with other teams but lost.

    “The guys around this team who have been here, it’s really calmed (me) down,
    just to keep me sane,” Cruz said. “Just being around here and seeing all of this
    stuff is amazing. Never in a million years would I thought I’d play in a Super

    Cruz has been a bit overwhelmed by even the smallest of details. Like whether
    they had to wear suits when not in practice, as they do for a regular road trip.
    (They don’t.)

    Cruz is the eager, wide-eyed first-timer. Four years ago, the Giants had a
    roster full of guys like that. Now, they’ve got lots of experienced players
    taking a much more even-keeled approach after being on this stage before.

    “This is my eighth year and I’ve been fortunate to get to two of these,” Snee
    said. “Hopefully this is not it, but definitely not being in the playoffs (the
    past two years) has made everyone gain a greater appreciation for getting there
    again and how tough it is.”


    "From the day he started playing, the only thing the local legend was certain
    about was that the game will break your heart.

    That’s hard to deal with anywhere, but perhaps more so in a place like this,
    Henry Hynoski Sr. concedes. The Coal Region leads the world in both anthracite
    and broken football dreams, and too often those two things seem destined for a
    fateful collision, right around the age of 21, when the boy becomes a man and
    the man runs out of choices.

    At one time, he only had second-hand knowledge of this. His own dad — the
    first Henry, and the grandfather of Giants fullback Henry Hynoski Jr. — was a
    poignant example: A star linebacker during the Depression, he was offered a
    scholarship to play at Fordham during the Lombardi years. But his mother, a
    widow just off the boat from Poland, incapable of grasping what it all meant,
    had other plans: Her son was going to work to help support the family, and the
    only place to do that was in the mines.

    That was not merely the proverbial road not traveled. It was a life ambition
    deferred. Later, Henry Sr. would gain firsthand knowledge of this. He was a
    phenom himself. They still talk about how he knocked out nine guys in seven
    games — the White Jack Tatum, they called him — when he was a senior linebacker
    at Mount Carmel High, about two counties away in the central Appalachians. That
    was followed by a stellar career as the fullback at Temple, where he rushed for
    more than 1,000 yards as a senior, and then a year of apprenticeship with the
    Cleveland Browns.

    But during a training camp scrimmage in the summer of ’76, on his way to
    winning the starting fullback spot alongside Greg Pruitt, it ended on one play.
    A sweep to the right resulted in a gang tackle, an awkward landing and a
    shoulder joint that popped out. It could only be repaired with a surgical
    procedure that no one would attempt in good conscience.

    Another football dream shattered. Once again, permanently.

    “I was devastated by it,” Henry Sr. said, telling his story from his living
    room chair the other day. “A pro career … was my dream come true. I wouldn’t
    have been a household name, but I could have been there for four or five

    View full sizeA football listing Henry Hysnoski Jr.'s
    high school records sits on the mantel in his parents' house.

    “So it took me about two years to get it out of my system and forget about
    it, and move on.”


    When his son came along, Henry Sr. was going to make sure it would be
    different for him. And there can be no dispute about this: Henry Hynoski Jr. is
    the Giants’ fullback today not only because he grew to be a remarkably nimble,
    265-pound earth mover, but also because of the lessons passed along from his

    This is an NFL career spawned by a father’s patience and a mother’s
    ingenuity. They agreed on how they would go about it a long time ago: Nothing
    would befall Henry Jr. like it had with his dad and grandfather. Nothing would
    harm him, nothing would be left to chance, and nothing would prevent this from
    being a special kid with a lot of options.

    The first step, paradoxically, would be talking him out of football.

    For as long as they could justify it, anyway.

    “I wanted him to try different sports — he tried soccer for a while, he was a
    real good baseball player, basketball and track,” Henry Sr. said. “I said, ‘You
    can play whatever you want, but only pick two — the rest of the time is for
    studies.’ Back in my time you could do three, but now two is plenty.

    “But his buddies would talk about nothing but football at lunchtime, and he’d
    listen to the stories. And he kept working on me. So finally in the (sixth)
    grade we succumbed to it and let him play.”

    You can guess the rest.

    Academically, Henry Jr. had a 3.9 GPA at Pitt and graduated with a business
    marketing degree in 3½ years. His mom, a professional herself (Kathy Hynoski is
    an anesthetist), talks about law school being in his future.

    Athletically, he is arguably the greatest running back in Pennsylvania high
    school history — he rolled up 7,165 yards and 113 touchdowns in his four years
    at Southern Columbia Area High. And that was despite being a second-half
    bystander throughout his senior season, because there’s nothing so immodest as a
    42-0 halftime score.

    Anyone dare think Henry and Kathy Hynoski were wrong in making their son wait
    so far?

    “I’m not big on kids playing midget football — they look like bobbleheads,
    the helmets don’t fit right, and I just get concerned about it,” Henry Sr.
    explained. “Football is one of those sports where you don’t have to hone your
    skills at an early age. If you’re tough and physical, you can forgo the early
    training and be good at it in high school.”

    But what then? What if the game consumes a kid to such an extent that he has
    Iowa, Rutgers, Pitt, and a few dozen others pursuing him?

    He listens to his father, who helps him recognize the most pragmatic

    “Dave Wannstedt sat right on that couch,” Henry Sr. said of the former Pitt
    coach, nodding across the room, “and he said he wanted Henry as a blocking back.
    He was clear that that was his primary objective.”

    And the father helped the coach explain to Henry Jr. — the same kid with
    2,407 yards and 42 touchdowns his senior year — that his days as a feature ball
    carrier were over. That this would be his best ticket to the NFL.

    Four years later, the scouting combine was a washout — he pulled a hamstring
    that week in Indianapolis. The draft was even worse, because he wasn’t one of
    the 29 running backs (four fullbacks) whose names were called over those three

    “It took a good week before he got over that,” his dad said. “But
    it worked out for the better — thanks to my wife.”

    They convinced their son that being passed over meant that he had options.
    Now it was up to Kathy to make sure he took the best one: She prepared a huge
    dossier for every team that needed a fullback, and arranged them around the
    dining room table. Personnel, systems, tendencies, even the mug shots of
    coaches, just so he could see whom he was talking to. When the lockout ended,
    her son was armed with every speck of information he’d need to make a decision.

    “So he read them, and marked down questions for each team,” Kathy said.
    “Everything was in front of him when the coaches called. He knew what questions
    to ask, he knew what every team had, and what they needed to bring in.”

    She prepared for 15 portfolios, and 15 teams called when the lockout ended in
    July. At one point, there were four teams on the phone simultaneously. Perhaps
    appropriately, mom was the one who fielded the call they all wanted most — the
    one from Tom Coughlin.

    “My son was on the phone with (San Diego), and I said, ‘Henry, you need to
    take this call, because it’s Coach Coughlin,’?” Kathy recalled. “And then I
    said, ‘Hold on, Coach — you’re priority.’?”

    So that’s how an NFL career started.

    With two generations of hard lessons, the resilience developed from two
    setbacks in the last 11 months, and the support of two amazing parents.

    And now, they’re all going to Indianapolis. The entire town is preparing to
    see them off: On this day, the phone rings constantly, and people come and go
    with updates on plans for videos and a big photo op (the townspeople assembled
    Sunday, all wearing their Giants jerseys). In the billboard down the Route 487,
    there’s a “Go Henry 45” placard resting above an ad for an amusement park; a
    mile away, the marquee at the Farnsworth Camping Center reads, “Good Luck,

    “And there’s even a place in town that has named a hamburger after him,” said
    Henry Sr., who has worked for Weis Supermarkets for 30 years, “It’s 6 inches

    And no, all this just isn’t because Henry Hynoski Jr. is a popular kid. It is
    because his folks are everyone’s favorite neighbors, two people with a rare
    faculty for making strangers feel like friends and a rare gift for

    “Where I come from,” Henry Jr. likes to say, “my father is a legend.”

    And wherever the son goes now, he is known as a Giant.

    Not quite as big a man as his dad yet, perhaps. But he’ll get there. His
    folks will see to that, too."


    Excerpt "Twenty-four hours after the New England Patriots landed here with one of their
    premier players in a walking boot, the Giants arrived today with the assumption
    that their counterparts would be at full strength.

    Tight end Rob
    Gronkowski made his way off the Patriots’ team plane
    Sunday afternoon in a
    walking boot, a week after he suffered an ankle injury in New England’s 23-20
    win over the Baltimore Ravens in the AFC Championship Game.

    Gronkowski, who has 20 touchdowns this season including the playoffs, didn’t
    practice today after coach Bill Belichick said he was “day-to-day” Sunday. But
    the cat may be out of the bag: On Friday, Gronkowski’s father, Gordy, went on a
    Buffalo radio station and said his son has a high ankle sprain.

    Such an injury will certainly not be healed by game time, but the Giants are
    preparing as though Gronkowski, one-half of the NFL’s most productive tight end
    duo alongside Aaron Hernandez, will be in uniform come Sunday.

    “This is the biggest game of the year,” said defensive back Antrel Rolle, who
    will likely spend plenty of time covering the 6-6, 265-pound Gronkowski if he
    plays. “They wouldn’t be in this position if it wasn’t for him, without a doubt.
    He’s going to do whatever he has to do to make sure he’s ready for this game. We
    understand that.”

    In the
    Giants’ 24-20 win against the Patriots
    in Week 9, Gronkowski was a
    consistent target for Tom Brady, catching eight balls for 101 yards and a
    touchdown in addition to another half-dozen throws his way. Yet, with or without
    Gronkowski, the Giants will still have to contend with Hernandez, a talented
    pass-catcher in his own right, in what has become a long stretch of elite tight
    ends lining up against them.

    In the playoffs alone, the Giants have faced Tony Gonzalez, Jermichael Finley
    and Vernon Davis. Before Davis scored two touchdowns against them last week, the
    Giants had not allowed a tight end to score in six games." Read more...


    "One month ago, Tom Coughlin wasn't supposed to be here.

    Wasn't supposed to be at the Super Bowl. Wasn't supposed to be trying to win
    his second title in four years. Wasn't supposed to be standing in the ballroom
    on the second floor of the Indianapolis Marriott Downtown addressing the media
    and speaking about his potential place in history.

    One month ago, Tom Coughlin was supposed to be just another NFL head coach
    looking for his next landing spot.

    "It's every year," Giants offensive
    guard Chris Snee said this afternoon. "Every year, he's supposed to be out. The
    thing is he really doesn't pay much attention to that. He always keeps his eyes
    more focused on what's more important, what our goal is with this team. And
    that's to get here and win the Super Bowl."

    For seemingly the umpteenth time in his 16-year NFL head coaching career,
    Coughlin was supposed to be working his way towards the exit. When the Giants
    headed home after beating the rival Dallas Cowboys to end a four-game slide,
    Coughlin looked like he had cooled his hot seat. But then came a mystifying loss
    to the last-place Washington Redskins and the drum began to beat again.

    Coughlin silenced his critics — again — the only way he knows how to:

    Now, in the Giants' first media availability after arriving in town for Super
    Bowl XLVI against the New England Patriots on Sunday, Coughlin had to field
    questions about his legacy. And if he potentially is a Hall-of-Famer.

    He deflected those just as quickly as he did the ones a month ago about his
    job status.

    "It's not about me," Coughlin said, when asked what a second championship
    would do to his legacy. "That's the furthest thing from my mind, is how this
    enhances my legacy or whatever term you used. That's no where near anything that
    I am thinking about right now. What I'm concerned with is the concentration of
    our players — putting ourselves in the best frame of mind that we can possibly

    "Preparing our team to the best of our ability and then playing exceptionally
    well, as best we possibly can."

    Coughlin's straight-ahead, focused demeanor has certainly rubbed off on his

    "He never wavers," said Snee, who is married to Coughlin's daughter, Kate.
    "He constantly keeps his eyes focused on that. We follow his lead."


    Excerpt: "While Giants running back Ahmad Bradshaw
    was getting used to his new surroundings in Indianapolis, New
    England Patriots nose tackle Vince Wilfork
    was busy singing his

    "You know what I think? Bradshaw is one of the most underrated
    running backs in the league, I really do," Wilfork said today. "I've been saying
    this for a long time. This guy, he can run the football. He's a tough, tough

    "And like I said, I put him up there with some of the best going today but
    because they have three real good runners, I think he gets overlooked

    Wilfork said he was especially concerned with the Giants'
    backfield in general and their ability to mix in personnel and change up their
    style at a moment's notice."

    "Man, the backfield that they have, they have three good running backs. They
    have power, they have speed, they have quickness, they have some catching out of
    the backfield, you name it they have it," he said. "Definitely every play, it's
    a different type of runner."


    "The New England Patriots held their first practice in Indianapolis today, and
    they suited up in full pads.

    “I felt like it would be the best way for us to prepare for the game,” coach
    Bill Belichick said at his press conference today.

    Belichick called it a “good crisp workout.” The Patriots will have a film
    session this evening following media availability. The Giants, meanwhile, arrived in Indianapolis
    today and have not practiced on-site yet.

    The Patriots’ practice site for the week is the Indianapolis Colts’ facility,
    and receiver Deion Branch admitted being on the turf of their AFC rival was
    “weird,” at least for the first day. He thanked the Colts for allowing them to
    practice there, though, before playfully ribbing the set-up.

    “I don’t know, who made the decision for us to practice there?” Branch said
    in jest. “See, that may be another thing. The league may want to make us mad or
    something, I don’t know. I would say they have a good facility, and whoever made
    that decision, we thank them and thank their coach for allowing us to use their
    building to practice in. We promise you we won’t get it dirty.”

    TE Rob Gronkowski (ankle) did not practice again today,
    Belichick said. He has not practiced since injuring the ankle in the AFC
    Championship Game."



    Excerpt: "Antrel Rolle doesn’t care about Rob Gronkowski’s ankle, and he doesn’t care
    whether the big tight end plays for the Patriots or not.

    He also doesn’t
    just think the Giants can stop the Patriots’ two-headed tight end

    “Think? No,” Rolle said on Super Bowl Media Day. “I know it. I
    know it.”

    That’s a lot of confidence from a secondary that had trouble
    with tight ends earlier this season, though they have been much improved over
    the last month and a half. The team of Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez are a
    different challenge, though. They combined for 169 catches, 2,237 yards and 24

    Gronkowski, who is nursing a high ankle sprain, was the
    leaders with 90 catches, 1,327 yards and an astonishing touchdown total of

    That’s why everyone is watching his ankle so closely. Everyone, that
    is, except Rolle.

    “It doesn’t matter to me,” Rolle said. “It doesn’t
    matter whether he plays or not. We’re going to go out there and we’re going to
    take care of business.”

    How are they going to do that? That was a
    question asked, ironically, by his teammate, Deon Grant, who brought a video
    camera over to Rolle’s podium during Media Day. He asked his fellow safety how
    they could stop both of those big, dynamic players, when so many other teams had
    tried and failed.

    “I think we possess a different kind of read in our
    secondary that other teams really don’t possess,” Rolle said. “We’re a hands-on
    defensive back unit. Once we put our hands on guys it’s very hard for them to
    beat us. Our determination, our will to shut opponents down is definitely going
    to give us an edge.”

    Of course, in the first game against the Patriots
    back in November, they didn’t really do that. When asked about that game, Rolle
    said “I don’t remember them doing so much to us. Maybe I missed the game? I
    don’t know.”

    Then he was reminded that Hernandez had four catches for 35
    yards and a touchdown, and Gronkowski had eight catches for 101 yards and a
    touchdown in the 24-20 victory by the Giants. Most of that damage came in the
    second half.

    “I don’t even know. But whatever,” Rolle said. “That game
    is that game. This game presesents a totally different challenge. … We’re
    ballers. We go out and get it done any which way we can.” Read more...



    There is a very high chance that Brandon Jacobs won’t be back with the Giants in
    2012, that Sunday’s Super Bowl XLVI showdown with the New England Patriots will
    be his last game with Big Blue.

    Jacobs says he knows all this very well, but this week, he hardly minds.
    Because if Sunday’s game is his final one as a Giant, he said, he expects to
    walk out of Lucas Oil Stadium with a title.

    “If it is,” he said Tuesday, “I leave with a Super Bowl ring.”

    If you wondered how confident the Giants were entering this week’s rematch
    with the Pats, you needed to look no farther than Jacobs’ brash promise. Three
    weeks ago, Jason Pierre-Paul guaranteed a victory over the Packers, and now,
    here Jacobs was, promising to end his Giants career on top.

    On a day when the Pats seemed to try to steer clear of such brazen comments,
    there was no “hopefully” or “maybe” in Jacobs’ statement, not even the slightest
    bit of wavering in the 264-pound big back’s voice. He fully believes that the
    Giants are the better, more dominant team, and that New England is headed for a
    second straight title Super Bowl setback, Las Vegas lines be damned.

    “We don’t feel like we’re the underdog,” he said. “That’s just Vegas.”

    To Jacobs, the Giants are loaded with confidence, far more certain of victory
    than they were before their stunning Super Bowl XLII upset. Four years ago, he
    said, the Giants prepared for the big game knowing that a victory was possible
    after a “terrible” season.

    This year, they knew they would have to fight to reach the playoffs. Once
    there, Jacobs said, they felt renewed confidence.

    “We were just going out and playing during those (2007) playoffs. We didn’t
    really know then,” he said. “This team we know that we can come out and do

    “We worked super hard to get here,” he added, “ and we’re going to try to
    finish this thing off.”

    In the process, Jacobs hopes to prove that he deserves one more opportunity
    to finish out his career in a Giants uniform. His contract, which he reworked to
    allow for Ahmad Bradshaw’s preseason raise, runs through next season, but he’s
    due a $500,000 roster bonus in March.

    Given his age (29) and declining productivity (his 571 regular-season rushing
    yards were his lowest total since 2006), it seems likely that the Giants will
    cut him, but Jacobs continues to hope that “something is gonna be worked out and
    things will be fine.”

    Jacobs’ backfield mate Bradshaw also keeps hoping for the same thing. The two
    backs have spent the last three years complementing each other in a potent
    Giants run game, and Bradshaw said he doesn’t want their time as a tandem to

    “I don’t want to think about that; he’s a big brother to me,” Bradshaw said.
    “I don’t want him to leave. He’s been there since Day One for me . . . I don’t
    want to think about him leaving.”

    Neither does Jacobs, who would far prefer to let those visions of the
    Lombardi Trophy dance through his head.

    “You’ve just got to let it take care of itself,” he said. “And I’m playing in
    the Super Bowl for the New York Giants, and if that is the way it is, there’s
    nothing I can do. But I’m going to do as best I can to help this team.”


    "Even the Patriots have appreciated Eli Manning’s play this season. And one of
    the Pats - big defensive tackle Vince Wilfork - has been so impressed by the
    Giants QB that he ranked Manning right alongside New England’s own QB star, Tom

    “He’s probably one of the better quarterbacks in the league right now,”
    Wilfork said of Manning. “A lot of people might not agree, but I’m gonna tell
    you right now, you can put him with the Bradys and the Rivers, Brees, all these
    guys. You can throw his name in the mix right now because of what he’s

    That, of course, is exactly what Manning tried to do in the preseason, when
    he said he considered himself Brady’s equal. Wilfork added that he admired
    Manning’s performance two weeks ago, when the quarterback led the Giants past
    the 49ers for the NFC title.

    The 316-yard, two-TD outing was hardly Manning’s finest statistical outing,
    but he did it against a physical defense that sacked him six times and hit him
    another 12 times.

    “He just kept getting up,” said Wilfork. “It just goes to show you the type
    of warrior he is. He’s a tough guy, man. To have a quarterback who takes the
    pounding and gets up and dusts himself off and leads his team to victory, you
    have to tip your hat off to him.

    “You can just see the heart of a champion that he has.”

    Eli Manning spent Monday night
    proving two things. First, he showed that the Giants are fan favorites in
    Indianapolis. And while he was at it, the typically stoic Manning showed a more
    relaxed side.

    The quarterback took about 25 of his teammates to the city’s most famous
    restaurant, St. Elmo Steakhouse, and he said the team was well-received.

    “The city has really welcomed the Giants,” Manning said Tuesday. “We went out
    to dinner and had a great time.”

    Manning had some fun with his mates, too.

    “I told them to load up on the cocktail sauce,” he said. “We had some people
    start sweating. Everybody enjoyed it.”

    On Sunday, Jason Pierre-Paul
    will be the most feared defensive player in Lucas Oil Stadium. And according to
    JPP, it’s all thanks to his old boss at Boston
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

  • #2

    Great stuff RF. The stroy of the boy getting the game ball is priceless.


    • #3

      [quote user="nygsb42champs"]Great stuff RF. The stroy of the boy getting the game ball is priceless.[/quote]

      What a thrill for him
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1


      • #4

        Just Awesome, cannot wait till Sunday. Get ready for our media day slot @12pm-1pm

        Eli was comical last night in his press conference.

        Thanks RF!


        • #5
          Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP TUESDAY, JANUARY 31, 2012 - 9:58 A.M.

          thanks much Roanoke!


          • #6
            Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP TUESDAY, JANUARY 31, 2012 - 9:58 A.M.

            Thanks RF! Great stuff!


            • #7
              Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP TUESDAY, JANUARY 31, 2012 - 9:58 A.M.

              thanks Buckeroo.....
              "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
              You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch


              • #8
                Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP TUESDAY, JANUARY 31, 2012 - 9:58 A.M.

                [quote user="lttaylor56"]Just Awesome, cannot wait till Sunday. Get ready for our media day slot @12pm-1pm

                Eli was comical last night in his press conference.

                Thanks RF![/quote]

                Should be a GREAT game
                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1


                • #9
                  Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP TUESDAY, JANUARY 31, 2012 - 9:58 A.M.

                  [quote user="GameTime"]thanks Buckeroo.....[/quote]

                  YEE HA! []
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1


                  • #10
                    Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP TUESDAY, JANUARY 31, 2012 - 9:58 A.M.

                    [quote user="NY_Eli"]Thanks RF! Great stuff!

                    It's a game for the ages we have brewing
                    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1


                    • #11
                      Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP TUESDAY, JANUARY 31, 2012 - 9:58 A.M.

                      [quote user="BigBlue1971"]thanks much Roanoke![/quote]

                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1