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    Today Trent Dilfer wrote an article on ESPN ranking the top 40 QBs in the league. However, you need to pay for ESPN Insider to read it, which I do not have. I found a website where someone listed Dilfer's categories, but not his explanations. Apparently, he put Eli in the "Eli Zone" with no other QBs, a step below "Hall of Fame", but a step above "A Ring Away". Can someone who paid for Insider please share his rationale and explain what the Eli Zone is?

    Also, for the record, here's the list from the other website. I don't know how well it matches Dilfer's list. I think it's pretty accurate, except I would move Romo and Flacco down a category. I would also move Rodgers and Roethlisberger into the Eli Zone. Rodgers because he is too young. If he suffered a career ending injury the first game next year, I don't think he makes the Hall of Fame. If he continues playing at the level he has been for another 5-7 years, he makes it. Roethlisberger because I think Eli and Rivers are both better but he has been to more Super Bowls then either of them.

    Hall of Fame Level:

    Peyton Manning

    Tom Brady

    Aaron Rodgers

    Drew Brees

    Ben Roethlisberger



    The Eli Zone:

    Eli Manning



    A Ring Away:

    Phillip Rivers

    Tony Romo

    Matt Ryan

    Joe Flacco

    Matthew Stafford

    Jay Cutler

    Matt Schaub



    Mostly Good:

    Cam Newton

    Michael Vick

    Andy Dalton

    Josh Freeman

    Carson Palmer

    Matt Hasselbeck

    Alex Smith



    Could Go Either Way:

    Mark Sanchez

    Sam Bradford

    Kevin Kolb

    Matt Cassell

    Ryan Fitzpatrick

    Kyle Orton

    Matt Moore



    Short Leash:

    Tim Tebow

    Blaine Gabbert

    Colt McCoy

    Christian Ponder

    Rex Grossman

    Tavaris Jackson

    Curtis Painter

    John Beck



    Intriguing Wild Cards:

    Matt Flynn

    Jake Locker

    TJ Yates

    John Skelton

    Brian Hoyer

  • #2
    Re: Trent Dilfer's QB Rankings

    I'm not asking anyone to copy and paste the whole article. That wouldn't be right since you paid for it and I didn't. Just the paragraph about Eli please.

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    • #3
      Re: Trent Dilfer's QB Rankings

      Dilfer is an idiot.
      Everything he says is usually bogus.

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      • #4
        Re: Trent Dilfer's QB Rankings

        If Dilfer still played today he would be in the "Intriguing Wild Card" tier. And that's after the Ravens defense carried him to a ring.

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        • #5
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          This is so silly. So nearly all the QBS have a chance to make it to the HOF lol

          Hall of Fame Level:
          Peyton Manning
          Tom Brady
          Drew Brees

          Aaron Rodgers - Doesn't Belong yet - Needs time.
          Ben Roethlisberger - Doesn't Belong - maybe if he wins another 1-2 rings or is game improves. Just do not see it with him. Have you seen his SB numbers?

          The Eli Zone:
          Eli Manning - Even if Eli never wins another ring, if he continues what he has been doing, or even improves he is in. If he wins another ring he still needs to do it for a bit longer. I feel Rodgers and Eli are near the same situation. Rodgers is getting more Credit then Eli, but Eli is starting to really be talked about, especially after the way the season came to be, and how he has carried the team.

          A Ring Away:
          Phillip Rivers - Sorry he needs more. Did you see this year?
          Tony Romo - Sorry needs more then even Rivers. At least Rivers made it to some playoffs. But Romos tag is a choker.

          Everyone else is no where near that discussion as of yet. Not saying it cannot happen for some of the other guys mentioned.
          Matt Ryan -
          Joe Flacco
          Matthew Stafford
          Jay Cutler
          Matt Schaub
          Peace,
          DragonSoul



          Twitter Account! https://twitter.com/DragonSoul

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          • #6
            Re: Trent Dilfer's QB Rankings

            dilfer isnt saying those guys are guaranteed to make the HOF. he's saying that there on track for the HOF.
            Eli should be in the HOF class, but I like the ELi zone which I take it to mean, Elite QB who needs to do a few things, like win this sunday, or have another year or two before he's HOF level.

            Just bc Ben and Rodgers are in that HOF level doesnt mean they get there, it just means they are on the path to do so. also, keep in mind this is his opinion. i've heard him say their is no doubt eli is an elite qb. but he may need to do that one or two more seasons if he never wins another ring. I find this to be about right except the argument could be made Eli should be above Ben, although he does have 2 SB rings and most every QB with 2 or more SB rings has made it to the hall (if the qb was the big part they made it) which makes bens ranking a lil incorrect bc one of his SB rings was done despite him not bc of him.

            i saw dilfer do a segment where he analyzed a ton of eli's passes and he said he was playing at the highest possible level of a qb. also vs SF, he said that the qbr was a joke and that was one of the best games he's ever seen a qb play.

            i like this list, i feel it fits. dilfer does a ton of hw on qb play. i'd put Eli above Ben easily but I can see his argument, and i'd also say eli could be above rodgers but thats a hard argument to win.

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            • #7
              Re: Trent Dilfer's QB Rankings

              [quote user="DragonSoul"]This is so silly. So nearly all the QBS have a chance to make it to the HOF lol

              Hall of Fame Level:
              Peyton Manning
              Tom Brady
              Drew Brees

              Aaron Rodgers - Doesn't Belong yet - Needs time.
              Ben Roethlisberger - Doesn't Belong - maybe if he wins another 1-2 rings or is game improves. Just do not see it with him. Have you seen his SB numbers?

              The Eli Zone:
              Eli Manning - Even if Eli never wins another ring, if he continues what he has been doing, or even improves he is in. If he wins another ring he still needs to do it for a bit longer. I feel Rodgers and Eli are near the same situation. Rodgers is getting more Credit then Eli, but Eli is starting to really be talked about, especially after the way the season came to be, and how he has carried the team.

              A Ring Away:
              Phillip Rivers - Sorry he needs more. Did you see this year?
              Tony Romo - Sorry needs more then even Rivers. At least Rivers made it to some playoffs. But Romos tag is a choker.

              Everyone else is no where near that discussion as of yet. Not saying it cannot happen for some of the other guys mentioned.
              Matt Ryan -
              Joe Flacco
              Matthew Stafford
              Jay Cutler
              Matt Schaub[/quote]

              again he's saying HOF Level meaning the current level of play could land them in the HOF. a ring away puts them in the eli zone, not HOF. Everyone else means they play better they get into a ring away category. He's basically saying if eli gets the SB and has a few more seasons around the level of play from this season, eli is a hof qb and i agree.

              edit-and ben has made it to three SBs, thats damn impressive. also has a unique, kind of revolutionary type qb play.

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              • #8
                Re: Trent Dilfer's QB Rankings

                Dilfer is not a HOF QB so his words mean very little but just another talking head.

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                • #9
                  Re: Trent Dilfer's QB Rankings

                  [quote user="NYBlue10"]Dilfer is not a HOF QB so his words mean very little but just another talking head.[/quote]

                  i actually think in terms of studying qb play, dilfer is one of if not the best analyst. he literally tracks every throw for a season for the qbs.

                  and he's also said some of the throws elis made this season are as good as a qb can make the throw. he showed several passes elis made, like the one to cruz vs SF where his platform was way off for delivering the pass and he threw cruz open off of tight coverage and cruz made that diving catch. he also showcased elis passes vs dallas in dallas and in ny where he said eli is playing at as high a level a qb can play.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Trent Dilfer's QB Rankings

                    Dilfer is the ONLY QB to ever beat us in a SB.

                    and he kicked our assbucket.
                    it's not like it was a 10 to 3 defensive battle.
                    he rolled us up.
                    due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
                    my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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                    • #11
                      Re: Trent Dilfer's QB Rankings

                      If Eli wins this Super Bowl, he has to surpass Ben Rothlesberger in the rankings and "on the road to SB". Eli has more passing yards, more TD passes and was much better in the playoffs.

                      As for Rodgers, he is off to great start in his career but it is only 4 full seasons. Way too early to even consider him for the hall of fame.

                      Peyton, Brady, Brees are already hall of famers. I think Eli, Big Ben and Rodgers will be hall of famers when their careers are over.




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                      • #12
                        Re: Trent Dilfer's QB Rankings

                        [quote user="bflo23"]If Eli wins this Super Bowl, he has to surpass Ben Rothlesberger in the rankings and "on the road to SB". Eli has more passing yards, more TD passes and was much better in the playoffs.

                        As for Rodgers, he is off to great start in his career but it is only 4 full seasons. Way too early to even consider him for the hall of fame.

                        Peyton, Brady, Brees are already hall of famers. I think Eli, Big Ben and Rodgers will be hall of famers when their careers are over.




                        [/quote]

                        again, hall of fame level doesnt mean hof qb. just if brees, rodgers, and ben can continue the success they've had in the SB. to be fair, eli has only been at an elite level for 3 or so seasons. i think this list is extremely fair. a ring away moves the qb into eli zone. the rest means they win a ring they move into a ring away, they get that they move into eli zone.

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                        • #13
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                          [quote user="giantsfan420"][quote user="NYBlue10"]Dilfer is not a HOF QB so his words mean very little but just another talking head.[/quote]

                          i actually think in terms of studying qb play, dilfer is one of if not the best analyst. he literally tracks every throw for a season for the qbs.

                          and he's also said some of the throws elis made this season are as good as a qb can make the throw. he showed several passes elis made, like the one to cruz vs SF where his platform was way off for delivering the pass and he threw cruz open off of tight coverage and cruz made that diving catch. he also showcased elis passes vs dallas in dallas and in ny where he said eli is playing at as high a level a qb can play.[/quote]
                          Yeah well Dilfer tends to blow a lot of hot air and over-sensationalize the QB position. It doesn't take a freaking rocket scientist to realize that throwing the ball off-balance accurately is very difficult to do.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Trent Dilfer's QB Rankings

                            [quote user="NYBlue10"]Dilfer is not a HOF QB so his words mean very little but just another talking head.[/quote]

                            I don't buy this for a second. How highly do you value steve young's opinion?

                            Athletic ability and professional prowess in the NFL as a player has absolutely no bearing on the work you put in as an analyst and the amount of the game you know.



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                            • #15
                              Re: Trent Dilfer's QB Rankings

                              [quote user="giantsfan420"][quote user="bflo23"]If Eli wins this Super Bowl, he has to surpass Ben Rothlesberger in the rankings and "on the road to SB". Eli has more passing yards, more TD passes and was much better in the playoffs.

                              As for Rodgers, he is off to great start in his career but it is only 4 full seasons. Way too early to even consider him for the hall of fame.

                              Peyton, Brady, Brees are already hall of famers. I think Eli, Big Ben and Rodgers will be hall of famers when their careers are over.




                              [/quote]

                              again, hall of fame level doesnt mean hof qb. just if brees, rodgers, and ben can continue the success they've had in the SB. to be fair, eli has only been at an elite level for 3 or so seasons. i think this list is extremely fair. a ring away moves the qb into eli zone. the rest means they win a ring they move into a ring away, they get that they move into eli zone.[/quote]

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