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  • Is Ereck Flowers or other Olineman on our team simply way too Fat?

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/4/2...e-tackle-miami

    Fat = bad technique


    what say you guys?!

  • #2
    "Understand that I'm not trying to "fat shame" Mr. Flowers. It's just that in my experience, there is a direct correlation between offensive linemen who have weight issues and guys with technique that consistently flounder. "

    "That's why its so important to find out if Flowers had any major weight issues while at Miami. If his weight was stable or at least under control the majority of the time, I'd feel better as a decision maker betting on his ability to correct his poor pad level problem. I don't think I would have a problem picking him in the first round if that were the case.

    If he did have weight issues, however, he might fall out of the first round altogether for me. Just a little too risky for my blood. I've seen too many guys kill their careers with a fork to act like its not a legitimate concern."
    Last edited by bigpoppy; 04-30-2017, 09:53 AM.

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    • #3
      The report also is of the opinion that Flowers would be great at the guard position.

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      • #4
        He is the same age as the O Lineman we just Drafted. He is still young and has 2 years experience in the NFL. Not 2 good years but 2 years to look at what he has been doing wrong and can adjust and fix. He still has a chance to be a good player at only 23
        Football has been very, very good to us.
        After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
        But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

        # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

        1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
        2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
        3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
        4-New York Giants!!!
        5-NE
        Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

        ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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        • #5
          Originally posted by miked1958 View Post
          He is the same age as the O Lineman we just Drafted. He is still young and has 2 years experience in the NFL. Not 2 good years but 2 years to look at what he has been doing wrong and can adjust and fix. He still has a chance to be a good player at only 23
          right...but does he just simply need Jenny Craig?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bigpoppy View Post
            right...but does he just simply need Jenny Craig?
            Could very well be. I hope he works his butt off all of OTA, Mini Camp and Training Camp and comes in a Different player
            Football has been very, very good to us.
            After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
            But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

            # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

            1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
            2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
            3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
            4-New York Giants!!!
            5-NE
            Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

            ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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            • #7
              Anyone who says fat=bad technique doesn't know much about a lot of Oline technique
              If you've never played your opinion is invalid

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Eliordie View Post
                Anyone who says fat=bad technique doesn't know much about a lot of Oline technique
                well the guy is apparently scouting...so is he not a scout?

                BTW i agree with him...watching ereck flowers college tape...he did great out in space when called upon to pull or make second level blocks...he looked like he would do better as a guard...so i know nothing of scouting OL, and i have no offcial training, othr than playing gueard in HS a little bit...., but i have 2 eyes and can see him getting into good position at the second level and making good blocks...just saying...you read all kinds of things from all kinds of folks that are know it alls but what do your own eyes tell you? point being his analysis seemed pretty spot on to me.... he said hes seen it a lot guys with the fork problem not making it.... so.......maybe he is on to something

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Eliordie View Post
                  Anyone who says fat=bad technique doesn't know much about a lot of Oline technique
                  The retired player who wrote the analysis played 7 years in the NFL against OT's. Did you?

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                  • #10
                    Everywhere Oline Coach Mike Solari has gone, he has transformed the O lines he has acquired. We were not good last year in his first year. It takes time. I expect a better result this year for the Oline. Solari has a track record and a long list of Pro bowlers and Hofers on his resume. If Flowers is too fat or any other issues with other players, I expect Solari to have some serious input by now on the situation. I expect or at least hope they would seek Solari's opinion on who to sign or who to draft. He has not panicked since he has been here so I imagine he understands what he is working with. I think we might be in for a shock at how good the Offense could be this year. Solari wants to run the damn ball without a doubt. He may have said "get me that blocking Minnesota TE for starters". He might have said "Go get "Fluker, I could work with him". After cringing and agonizing last year, I still gotta say I still trust Solari and expect a difference this year.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                      The retired player who wrote the analysis played 7 years in the NFL against OT's. Did you?
                      And now he's a writer who puts out dumb thoughts to get attention

                      Do you watch NFLN? How many long time great players regularly say DUMB *** **** once they become media? K then..

                      Being too fat could cause issues with footwork (and balance but balance isn't technique) but footwork isn't Flowers problem

                      Keeping your hands up, getting the crown of your helmet down, getting your hands inside, getting the initial strike, not going overboard with your kick slide and making first contact with your back 2 inches from the QB.. just about all of which he struggles BADLY with.. have nothing to do with being too fat

                      Most of these guys don't even watch the players they're talking about, they just heard he sucks, then he goes and looks as his weight and makes a BLANKET STATEMENT as to why he sucks based on jack**** (assumption) if you guys can't see this for yourself I feel bad, sorry

                      Being fat would only hinder athleticism (fat people can be SKILLED at almost anything) Flowers has enough athleticism to play tackle, his problem is skill/technique

                      Also pretty easy to say "anytime I hear about an olineman sucking he's usually fat) yeah.. they pretty much ALL have a high body fat% but there are ones who suck at 300lbs and ones who suck at 330lbs.. and vice versa there are ones who are very good at both weights and everything in between, no direct correlation.. if you're 370 ok but how many of those are there? Any? Lol flowers losing weight would not make him one bit better, maybe even worse
                      Last edited by Eliordie; 04-30-2017, 12:14 PM.
                      If you've never played your opinion is invalid

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Eazy E View Post
                        Everywhere Oline Coach Mike Solari has gone, he has transformed the O lines he has acquired. We were not good last year in his first year. It takes time. I expect a better result this year for the Oline. Solari has a track record and a long list of Pro bowlers and Hofers on his resume. If Flowers is too fat or any other issues with other players, I expect Solari to have some serious input by now on the situation. I expect or at least hope they would seek Solari's opinion on who to sign or who to draft. He has not panicked since he has been here so I imagine he understands what he is working with. I think we might be in for a shock at how good the Offense could be this year. Solari wants to run the damn ball without a doubt. He may have said "get me that blocking Minnesota TE for starters". He might have said "Go get "Fluker, I could work with him". After cringing and agonizing last year, I still gotta say I still trust Solari and expect a difference this year.
                        +1 I'm very hopeful that you are right.... Thanks for posting something positive & hopeful!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Eliordie View Post
                          And now he's a writer who puts out dumb thoughts to get attention

                          Do you watch NFLN? How many long time great players regularly say DUMB *** **** once they become media? K then..

                          Being too fat could cause issues with footwork (and balance but balance isn't technique) but footwork isn't Flowers problem

                          Keeping your hands up, getting the crown of your helmet down, getting your hands inside, getting the initial strike, not going overboard with your kick slide and making first contact with your back 2 inches from the QB.. just about all of which he struggles BADLY with.. have nothing to do with being too fat

                          Most of these guys don't even watch the players they're talking about, they just heard he sucks, then he goes and looks as his weight and makes a BLANKET STATEMENT as to why he sucks based on jack**** (assumption) if you guys can't see this for yourself I feel bad, sorry

                          Being fat would only hinder athleticism (fat people can be SKILLED at almost anything) Flowers has enough athleticism to play tackle, his problem is skill/technique

                          Also pretty easy to say "anytime I hear about an olineman sucking he's usually fat) yeah.. they pretty much ALL have a high body fat% but there are ones who suck at 300lbs and ones who suck at 330lbs.. and vice versa there are ones who are very good at both weights and everything in between, no direct correlation.. if you're 370 ok but how many of those are there? Any? Lol flowers losing weight would not make him one bit better, maybe even worse
                          Did you even read the article? The guy broke down tape on Flowers against Nebraska, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Virginia and South Carolina.

                          You say Flowers footwork isn't the problem? I completely disagree with you and agree with the ex-NFL player that Flowers footwork on pass protection is bad. You say he goes overboard on his kick step. His kick step is not wide enough or deep enough, another point I agree with the ex NFL player.

                          Flowers is slow off the ball. Do you really think losing weight would make him slower off the ball? We all know offensive lineman all have high body fat %'s, that is irrelevant. Even if Flowers plays at a lower weight he will still have a high body fat %.

                          And the most important point I agree with "it's been my experience that the more overweight an offensive linemen is, the worse his pad level is. It just gets harder and harder for them to bend at the knees rather than at the waist as they balloon up, and it never ends well unless they find a way to lose some weight and keep it off."

                          This was a well written assessment of Flowers that I agree with. For you to dismiss it as a blanket statement on a jack*** assumption is just a ridiculous statement without much thought. The writer makes many points regarding Flowers technique that unfortunately we see every Sunday, and you didn't see in the article.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Eliordie View Post
                            And now he's a writer who puts out dumb thoughts to get attention

                            Do you watch NFLN? How many long time great players regularly say DUMB *** **** once they become media? K then..

                            Being too fat could cause issues with footwork (and balance but balance isn't technique) but footwork isn't Flowers problem

                            Keeping your hands up, getting the crown of your helmet down, getting your hands inside, getting the initial strike, not going overboard with your kick slide and making first contact with your back 2 inches from the QB.. just about all of which he struggles BADLY with.. have nothing to do with being too fat

                            Most of these guys don't even watch the players they're talking about, they just heard he sucks, then he goes and looks as his weight and makes a BLANKET STATEMENT as to why he sucks based on jack**** (assumption) if you guys can't see this for yourself I feel bad, sorry

                            Being fat would only hinder athleticism (fat people can be SKILLED at almost anything) Flowers has enough athleticism to play tackle, his problem is skill/technique

                            Also pretty easy to say "anytime I hear about an olineman sucking he's usually fat) yeah.. they pretty much ALL have a high body fat% but there are ones who suck at 300lbs and ones who suck at 330lbs.. and vice versa there are ones who are very good at both weights and everything in between, no direct correlation.. if you're 370 ok but how many of those are there? Any? Lol flowers losing weight would not make him one bit better, maybe even worse
                            You say that the author of this article doesn't know what he's talking about and that Ereck Flower's problem isn't his footwork in the same breath, rofl.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                              Did you even read the article? The guy broke down tape on Flowers against Nebraska, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Virginia and South Carolina.

                              You say Flowers footwork isn't the problem? I completely disagree with you and agree with the ex-NFL player that Flowers footwork on pass protection is bad. You say he goes overboard on his kick step. His kick step is not wide enough or deep enough, another point I agree with the ex NFL player.

                              Flowers is slow off the ball. Do you really think losing weight would make him slower off the ball? We all know offensive lineman all have high body fat %'s, that is irrelevant. Even if Flowers plays at a lower weight he will still have a high body fat %.

                              And the most important point I agree with "it's been my experience that the more overweight an offensive linemen is, the worse his pad level is. It just gets harder and harder for them to bend at the knees rather than at the waist as they balloon up, and it never ends well unless they find a way to lose some weight and keep it off."

                              This was a well written assessment of Flowers that I agree with. For you to dismiss it as a blanket statement on a jack*** assumption is just a ridiculous statement without much thought. The writer makes many points regarding Flowers technique that unfortunately we see every Sunday, and you didn't see in the article.
                              You're right I didn't read it, as for knee bending and pad level, these guys squat a **** ton of weight every other day (would hope their max is at least 1.5x body weight) no reason in this day and age they don't have the flexibility to get down, if they're not doing it it's because they're not listening to their coaches and training their muscle memory properly, I see no problem with his agility for the most part, when he starts chopping I believe that is another issue of refusal to take instruction, coming out of college he was reffered to as a dancing bear for a reason, his physical traits are the only reason he was drafted so high

                              Either way, if the coaches/training staff (who I trust more as they work with the guy personally) thought he'd benefit from dropping his playing weight that's what he'd be doing, it's not hard to shed 10lbs or so for a guy his size, especially with all the trainers and dieticians these guys have at their disposal

                              I don't think moving to guard will do him much good either, I've seen him get blown back by DEs far too often, DTs would get in his chest and maul him to death.. maybe this would be lessened by moving to guard as he won't be dealing with the same speed but he frequently lunges and whiffs, if that happens on the inside.. the play is insta-****ed

                              All in all, no matter what he does until he starts to take instruction I don't think he's a viable starter anywhere on the OLine, regardless of weight, his footwork problems I would attribute to lack of discipline rather than natural quickness
                              Last edited by Eliordie; 04-30-2017, 01:46 PM.
                              If you've never played your opinion is invalid

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