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  • Originally posted by BlueJayC View Post
    If we're talking literal numbers and 4th QTR comebacks....he's actually #2.....but for a game to qualify it just means they have to be down in the 4th quarter.....so down 1 with 14:59 left in the 4th and already on the other teams 1 yard line already would qualify.....it also doesn't indicate how the team came back...for instance was it a miracle Tom Brady play or a 99 yard run by the RB. So the comeback stat (as all stats) are skewed....

    Again just my opinion but I'd put Eli higher in the clutch category with Brady wayyyyy higher in the overall QB category.
    I agree that 4th quarter comeback can be skewed but what Brady did in his last 2 Super Bowl runs was unheard of. He's the only Qb to comeback from double digit leads in the 4th quarter to win a Super Bowl. I don't know if we will ever see that again. That to me is the epitome of clutch.

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    • Originally posted by jay051 View Post
      I agree that 4th quarter comeback can be skewed but what Brady did in his last 2 Super Bowl runs was unheard of. He's the only Qb to comeback from double digit leads in the 4th quarter to win a Super Bowl. I don't know if we will ever see that again. That to me is the epitome of clutch.
      If he was a great QB his team wouldn't be down by double digits in the 4th!!!! (kidding of course)

      I'm not saying I 100% agree with this article (from 2012) but it ironically popped up as I was looking up the comeback stats. - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ce-joe-montana (http:// bleacherreport.com /articles /1211729-ny-giants-eli-manning-is-the-most-clutch-quarterback-since-joe-montana

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      • Historically I think Eli is one of the most clutch QBs ever within the 2 minutes of each half down by a score to either tie or win. I'd take him in that situation over almost anyone - save Marino. The other 56 minutes however .... uhm....yeah ....relatively not so hot.

        Eli's most redeeming factor when it comes to other franchise QBs I think was his clutch factor. Without it, he becomes rather pedestrian.
        http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
        http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
        http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

        Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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        • Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
          Historically I think Eli is one of the most clutch QBs ever within the 2 minutes of each half down by a score to either tie or win. I'd take him in that situation over almost anyone - save Marino. The other 56 minutes however .... uhm....yeah ....relatively not so hot.

          Eli's most redeeming factor when it comes to other franchise QBs I think was his clutch factor. Without it, he becomes rather pedestrian.
          Even as recently as 5-6 years ago, I would have taken Eli over pretty much every QB in the final 2 minutes of a big game

          Now? Hell no. He's nowhere near as clutch as he once was, and he doesn't make anywhere near the number of plays that he needs to make to win games. He just doesn't, and hasn't for a few seasons.
          The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd - Bertrand Russell

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          • Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
            Historically I think Eli is one of the most clutch QBs ever within the 2 minutes of each half down by a score to either tie or win. I'd take him in that situation over almost anyone - save Marino. The other 56 minutes however .... uhm....yeah ....relatively not so hot.

            Eli's most redeeming factor when it comes to other franchise QBs I think was his clutch factor. Without it, he becomes rather pedestrian.

            I agree. Don't know whether it's age or that there was no talent around him. Maybe both.

            I guess we'll find out this year if the line can at least be a bit better than average.

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            • Originally posted by Die-Hard View Post
              Even as recently as 5-6 years ago, I would have taken Eli over pretty much every QB in the final 2 minutes of a big game

              Now? Hell no. He's nowhere near as clutch as he once was, and he doesn't make anywhere near the number of plays that he needs to make to win games. He just doesn't, and hasn't for a few seasons.
              This. Its been a long while.

              The problem with Eli is he's so boom or bust. Theres never, ever been any consistency in his game. Other than 2011.

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