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    I'm singling Cruz out because he obviously needs to get paid significantly more then he is now. All of a sudden we have an unforeseen star and someone needs to be left out when it comes to free agency.




    Ok, a portion of our free agency picture is like below.




    2012 - TT, Ross, Manningham among others.




    2013 - KP, Cruz, Beatty,




    2014 - Nicks, Tuck, Boley, Webster, Joseph




    Given that teams can usually splurge on only one big contract a year (I am completely guesstimating) , unless they've been saving cap space for a couple years (ie Eagles, or Pats from thsi year - they are 20 million under), it's safe to say we won't be able to resign half of the guys above.




    For fun, let's say that makes3 big contracts and that all of them ARGUABLY are worth big contracts (6 mil +). Which three do you choose? You accumulate 1 big contract per year. Meaning, you can wait until 2014 and sign 3 assuming you sign noone prior. In 2013, you get 2 if you don't sign anyone prior. In 2012 you have only 1.




    Me personally? I resign no-one in 2012. I resign Cruz in 2013. I resign Nicks And tuck in 2014.




    And I know i'm totally simplifying things. This is just an excersize to get people to think a bit on who we really want to pay and who we don't. In an ideal world, we want to resign everyone. Unfortunately, we can't do that.


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    Well, it's unrealistic to think you can put off giving Cruz a new deal. The kid earned it and he should get it NOW.




    TT, pardon the pun, doesn't have a leg to stand on until he's 100%. He'll have to take what we offer or he goes the Steve Smith route. I love the guy, but we have bigger fish to fry.




    I hate to say it, but MM is probably gone.




    Ross will get a fair offer that's good for both and will probably take it.

    I stopped fighting my inner demons. We're on the same side now.

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    • #3
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      I wouldn't be suprised if Manningham ends up in New England ironically. He does deserve a nice payday and will get one somewhere. Just doubt that it is here

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      • #4
        Re: Cruz and Free Agency, Who Gets Left Out?

        theres no reason to pay cruz now.

        Look at steve smith... had a 100 catch season, the giants held off on a contract, he gets hurt.

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        • #5
          Re: Cruz and Free Agency, Who Gets Left Out?

          Nice post. I don't think anyone over $2 million or so will get resigned this year - at a stretch I can see them going somewhere like Nicks money for Manningham but that is the basic ceiling - I can't see JR and co giving a third WR more than the number 1 guy. Personally, I would love a way to see MM re-signed on a sweet 2 year deal but given the way things are and the way teams will offer him $3-4 million, I can't see anyone on their big money contract taking that much of a home town discount. He has been a super draft pick, he deserves a pay day and while I would love that to be with the Giants, if the business won't allow it, the business won't allow it.

          The bottom line as well is that

          1) even with KM and BJ (combined cap value $8m) off the roster; and
          2) possible renogiation of vet contracts (Diehl, Manning, Webster, Rolle, Canty)

          we will be very very tight on that cap if we try and bring back half the free agents I think we will need.

          This offseason, for me, is about getting the key starters/role players and parts re-signed, for value. I would like to see TT and Goff re-signed on play/incentive laden deals, Weatherford signed up for his value (ie more than the punter minimum), Ballard on a solid deal. To this I would add Tolly, Grant, Bernard and Thomas as role players for another year. But essentially - yes, no big re-signs and, personally, I wouldnt want to f around with too many existing contracts to try and save for one big F/A signing.

          Turning to 2013 the obvious retain is Cruz as things stand but I wouldn't be hugely worried about him right now - he's restricted anyway so if things get acrimonius (and I dont think they will) we only need to match what another team are willing to pay. I think KP will also get a decent offer, I absolutely think there will be cap room for him.

          As for that 2014 class - I actually don't see a huge problem as things stand. The reason - in their next contracts Tuck, Boley and Webster will all be over 32. They have had their payday second contracts. If they are still getting performance, yes, they'll get paid on that value but not on the upside of how much the organisation thinks they may improve over the contract. In real terms pass rushers, CB's and LB's don't improve production with age. They will either take the cut in 2014 or be cut. That leaves plenty of room to give Nicks and Cruz the deals they need in 2013/2014 IF the giants can draft/keep defensive talent through the draft or cute F/A deal between now and then. The key deals by the time 2014 comes around will be Nicks, LJ (as you say).

          To me, the big off seasons are this offseason and 2013 - can JR get even more applause by getting talent at value to add to the Giants core which is, like it or not, way over a third/approaching a half of the cap invested in the top 11/12 guys on the roster.

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          • #6
            Re: Cruz and Free Agency, Who Gets Left Out?



            we put off giving SS a new contract and he was making less than Cruz is today.




            keep in mind this was before everyone hated SS.




            i think they'll offer him a deal, but it'll probably include the hometown discount.




            We'll see if he takes it.

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            • #7
              Re: Cruz and Free Agency, Who Gets Left Out?

              [quote user="FBomb"]


              Well, it's unrealistic to think you can put off giving Cruz a new deal. The kid earned it and he should get it NOW.




              TT, pardon the pun, doesn't have a leg to stand on until he's 100%. He'll have to take what we offer or he goes the Steve Smith route. I love the guy, but we have bigger fish to fry.




              I hate to say it, but MM is probably gone.




              Ross will get a fair offer that's good for both and will probably take it.




              [/quote]




              i think they'll evaluate TT vs Ross and figure out which one they're going to make the serious push for. it won't be both.




              MM is probably gone, Osi won't get a raise, and it'll be interesting to see what they do with Jacobs.




              I don't know what they do with Cruz. They'll either up Cruz or Nicks, both have their contracts technically expire next season, both are vastly underpaid.

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              • #8
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                [quote user="CDN_G-FAN"][quote user="FBomb"]


                Well, it's unrealistic to think you can put off giving Cruz a new deal. The kid earned it and he should get it NOW.




                TT, pardon the pun, doesn't have a leg to stand on until he's 100%. He'll have to take what we offer or he goes the Steve Smith route. I love the guy, but we have bigger fish to fry.




                I hate to say it, but MM is probably gone.




                Ross will get a fair offer that's good for both and will probably take it.




                [/quote]




                i think they'll evaluate TT vs Ross and figure out which one they're going to make the serious push for. it won't be both.




                MM is probably gone, Osi won't get a raise, and it'll be interesting to see what they do with Jacobs.




                I don't know what they do with Cruz. They'll either up Cruz or Nicks, both have their contracts technically expire next season, both are vastly underpaid.




                [/quote]




                What's on my mind is, does it make sense to pay 2 WRs #1 WR money. What did the Colts do with Harrison and Wayne?

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                • #9
                  Re: Cruz and Free Agency, Who Gets Left Out?

                  [quote user="gumby742"]What's on my mind is, does it make sense to pay 2 WRs #1 WR money.[/quote]

                  Yes.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Cruz and Free Agency, Who Gets Left Out?

                    I agree re Cruz and leaving his contract be. If his season next year is anything like this he will get paid.

                    Next year the Giants barely have a nickel on the cap without cutting away elsewhere and, perhaps being contraversial here, if I had $2-3million to give to one of the receivers next year I would give it to Manningham.

                    This postseason proved, absolutely in my view, that this corps, as well as Eli, is both elite and will get you in the end provided you can get all of it on the field and healthy - ultimately a defense needs to double cover all of them to stop giving it up to them and that creates big holes for others, the running game, lots of good match ups. I'd like to see that for at least one more season.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Cruz and Free Agency, Who Gets Left Out?

                      Re wide receiver cash. I think you can pay big money to two WR guys but it all comes back to the draft and assuming you have a franchise quarterback.

                      If you have that and if you can find through draft and draft free agency 3-5 players each off season who can perform to a high standard in the NFL you can pay a little more for weapons in luxury areas. Put simply - the first four / five years are so cheap you can put resources elsewhere during the lifetime of those contracts but it all depends on that draft.

                      Get it wrong - as Indy repeatedly have - at the top of the draft in particular and you have systemic talent issues in areas that dictate games - essentially OL/DL but also secondary and its mirror, receivers.

                      Five of the last seven superbowl winners - Packers, Steelers (x2), Giants (x2 ) have been extremely good drafters - most of their top 2/3 picks in each round of the draft (and a fair few lower round picks) going back five years before the relevant win were with the team when they won. That, much more than win-by-free-agency, is the sign of a properly functioning organisation in the era of the salary cap.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Cruz and Free Agency, Who Gets Left Out?

                        i def. want mm back, but no one is talking about his knee issues he had this past season. he has some kind of tear or some injury that he was able to play on but also forced him to sit too. i doubt another team is going to take a flier on a wr with knee issues.

                        if he goes, we resign steve smith for great market value, we'll know what we're getting, and he fits our wr corp better than mm does imho even tho i love how mm stepped up for us. nicks is that physical, deep ball threat, smith would be that route runner possession wr, and cruz is a mix of both.

                        we're going to have to release jacobs unfortunately, probably diehl as he makes a bunch of money too now bc he played at LT, and we'll prob have to cut even more fat tho u hate to do so.

                        we need to keep our core group of players, role players will unfortunately either have to take pay cuts or just get cut.

                        plus, we won the super bowl so that gives us more money to work with so thats a huge plus.

                        i have no doubt that the FO and Reese will be able to figure something out. since we're picking 32, i'd even entertain trading down from the 32 for an additional 2nd this year and 2nd next draft to save money that we'd have to pay for a 1rst round pick and use the two 2nd round picks to get the role players we just lost.

                        point being, theirs definitely a way to make this all work. as i said previously, i believe our wr corp genuinely love playing with each other and wouldnt mind taking less money as long as it assured they'd get to remain a trio. but its nice we also have s.smith there as a backup plan

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                        • #13
                          Re: Cruz and Free Agency, Who Gets Left Out?

                          MM gives us a deep threat, as The Catch shows, that SS (god love him) never really showed. He was a great slot/possession receiver but we have, I think, a better one - certainly a more dangerous one.

                          Rumours are that Chicago, really bad WR signers, want MM and I can understand it to the extent they obviously want to give Cutler weapns. MM, when fit, is a weapon. About 20-25 of the leagues teams could easily have MM as number two receiver on the basis of his production over the last three years.

                          If MM goes, its just next man up for me - take a harder look at Thomas, JJ or Barden, who needs to start showing what he's paid for considering this year he was on more than cruz and ballard combined. Stay away from WR free agency if at all possible.

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                          • #14
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                            if Mario goes, give Devin Thomas a shot. I just don't think Barden is gonna pan out.

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                            • #15
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                              [quote user="sharick88"]I wouldn't be suprised if Manningham ends up in New England ironically. He does deserve a nice payday and will get one somewhere. Just doubt that it is here[/quote]

                              Actually that is where I think he will wind up.

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