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  • Eli shouldn't be in the HOF

    Not yet at least... I keep seeing you guys bash on Warner and Simms because their either saying that Eli isn't better than Peyton or that Eli doesnt deserve the HOF yet.

    Well, Eli ISN'T better than Peyton and he DOESN'T deseve the hall yet.

    I love Eli as our QB, but in order to be in the HOF you have to be one of the best of ALL time!

    I think he will be eventually, but if he was to retire tomorrow, I do not believe he would be on the Ballot.
    They said Brady and the Patriots couldn't be beat, Eli did it twice, how's that for Elite?

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    Re: Eli shouldn't be in the HOF

    He is getting real close and has proven himself to be a better postseason QB than Peyton. 2-3 more years like this past year and he is a shoo in.

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    • #3
      Re: Eli shouldn't be in the HOF

      [quote user="TroyArcher"]He is getting real close and has proven himself to be a better postseason QB than Peyton.* 2-3 more years like this past year and he is a shoo in.*[/quote]

      I agree with you, he doesnt have Peytons numbers yet though
      They said Brady and the Patriots couldn't be beat, Eli did it twice, how's that for Elite?

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      • #4
        Re: Eli shouldn't be in the HOF

        [quote user="NYGFaninILL"]Not yet at least... I keep seeing you guys bash on Warner and Simms because their either saying that Eli isn't better than Peyton or that Eli doesnt deserve the HOF yet.

        Well, Eli ISN'T better than Peyton and he DOESN'T deseve the hall yet.

        I love Eli as our QB, but in order to be in the HOF you have to be one of the best of ALL time!

        I think he will be eventually, but if he was to retire tomorrow, I do not believe he would be on the Ballot.[/quote]

        Im not saying that Eli would deserve to go if he were to retire tomorrow. But, Namath made the hall and he isnt one of the best fo all time. If Namath made the hall with his numbers and only 1 SB, thats setting the bar low for best of all time.

        I know what the SB win meant for the League and all, but when you think of Best of all time Namath doesnt come to mind.

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        • #5
          Re: Eli shouldn't be in the HOF



          [quote user="bluesince86"][quote user="NYGFaninILL"]Not yet at least... I keep seeing you guys bash on Warner and Simms because their either saying that Eli isn't better than Peyton or that Eli doesnt deserve the HOF yet. Well, Eli ISN'T better than Peyton and he DOESN'T deseve the hall yet. I love Eli as our QB, but in order to be in the HOF you have to be one of the best of ALL time! I think he will be eventually, but if he was to retire tomorrow, I do not believe he would be on the Ballot.[/quote] Im not saying that Eli would deserve to go if he were to retire tomorrow. But, Namath made the hall and he isnt one of the best fo all time. If Namath made the hall with his numbers and only 1 SB, thats setting the bar low for best of all time. I know what the SB win meant for the League and all, but when you think of Best of all time Namath doesnt come to mind.[/quote]







          Thats why Namath is in, for him it was not just the numbers, His victory assured the AFL/NFL merger - truly groundbreaking and HOF worthy. The Jets win changed football, and if you accomplish something that Drasticallychanges the sport for the better than that in and of itself is HOF worthy.

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          • #6
            Re: Eli shouldn't be in the HOF

            [quote user="NYGFaninILL"]Not yet at least... I keep seeing you guys bash on Warner and Simms because their either saying that Eli isn't better than Peyton or that Eli doesnt deserve the HOF yet.

            Well, Eli ISN'T better than Peyton and he DOESN'T deseve the hall yet.

            I love Eli as our QB, but in order to be in the HOF you have to be one of the best of ALL time!

            I think he will be eventually, but if he was to retire tomorrow, I do not believe he would be on the Ballot.[/quote]

            so what does he have to do to get in?

            It would be nearly impossible to top what he's done in two SB appearences.

            He's got to win a third SB?

            In my opinion a 3rd SB puts him in the top 5 all time and unequivically puts him ahead of Tom Brady.

            Or does he just need to keep playing for 7 more years compling around 4000 yrds, 30 tds and 15 ints per year?

            Is that really what the HOF is about. Compiliing stats??
            My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

            Burier: Yes.

            My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

            Burier: Yes. I promise.

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            • #7
              Re: Eli shouldn't be in the HOF

              I sure hope he shouldnt be in

              He's got at least 7 real good years in him still.

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              • #8
                Re: Eli shouldn't be in the HOF

                [quote user="Hostetler"]

                [quote user="bluesince86"][quote user="NYGFaninILL"]Not yet at least... I keep seeing you guys bash on Warner and Simms because their either saying that Eli isn't better than Peyton or that Eli doesnt deserve the HOF yet. Well, Eli ISN'T better than Peyton and he DOESN'T deseve the hall yet. I love Eli as our QB, but in order to be in the HOF you have to be one of the best of ALL time! I think he will be eventually, but if he was to retire tomorrow, I do not believe he would be on the Ballot.[/quote] Im not saying that Eli would deserve to go if he were to retire tomorrow. But, Namath made the hall and he isnt one of the best fo all time. If Namath made the hall with his numbers and only 1 SB, thats setting the bar low for best of all time. I know what the SB win meant for the League and all, but when you think of Best of all time Namath doesnt come to mind.[/quote]




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                Thats why Namath is in, for him it was not just the numbers, His victory assured the AFL/NFL merger - truly groundbreaking and HOF worthy. The Jets win changed football, and if you accomplish something that Drastically*changes the sport for the better than that in and of itself is HOF worthy.

                [/quote]

                I get what you are saying, but for me I just dont think its enough. I mean yes, they were the first AFL team to win a SB but its not like that would never have happened in the future. Would you make that QB on a different team a HOFer if they had pedestrian career stats but won the first SB for the AFL? Im not sure that just because he won the 1st SB for the AFL that his career overall should have put him there. Yes, he was on the team and was the first AFL QB to win the SB and MVP, but he was 17/28 206 0 0 hardly a game winning performance. Was he really all that instrumental in wining the game that he deserved the MVP or was he more of a game manager and the whole guarantee thing got him the MVP and hence the HOF? (I ask only because I wasnt around to watch that game).

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                • #9
                  Re: Eli shouldn't be in the HOF

                  If he copy and pastes this same regular season 4-6 more times, he'll be in for sure. He hasn't given us any reason to believe he won't yet...this season was easily his most consistent. I'm sure there are more, but off the top of my head, the only throw he made this year that made me say "uh oh...here we go..." was the interception against New England. It was a classic example of Eli just trying to do WAYYY too much with his arm. Then he led a comeback drive, and I didn't open my mouth for the rest of the season. He deserves our trust at this point...and I am 100% behind him.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Eli shouldn't be in the HOF

                    AN KURT WARNER IS - LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.
                    Not saying he is or isn't but Elis numbers are equal to Warners and he has two sb wins and mvp
                    As far as being better than his brother. His brother has all the stats but who would you take in the 4th quarter.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Eli shouldn't be in the HOF



                      [quote user="bashful"]AN KURT WARNER IS - LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. Not saying he is or isn't but Elis numbers are equal to Warners and he has two sb wins and mvp As far as being better than his brother. His brother has all the stats but who would you take in the 4th quarter.[/quote]




                      If Eli's career continues the way it has and if Peytons continues in the same regard then Eli's career will eclips his brother's but Peyton will be veiwd by many in and out of the media as better....




                      go figure...




                      its almost like "how dare Eli be better then Peyton".....

                      "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                      You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                      • #12
                        Re: Eli shouldn't be in the HOF

                        Kurt knows Eli has at least 3 more legitimate shots at 5,000 ...should bring easy 30TD

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                        • #13
                          Re: Eli shouldn't be in the HOF

                          [quote user="bluesince86"][quote user="Hostetler"]


                          [quote user="bluesince86"][quote user="NYGFaninILL"]Not yet at least... I keep seeing you guys bash on Warner and Simms because their either saying that Eli isn't better than Peyton or that Eli doesnt deserve the HOF yet. Well, Eli ISN'T better than Peyton and he DOESN'T deseve the hall yet. I love Eli as our QB, but in order to be in the HOF you have to be one of the best of ALL time! I think he will be eventually, but if he was to retire tomorrow, I do not believe he would be on the Ballot.[/quote] Im not saying that Eli would deserve to go if he were to retire tomorrow. But, Namath made the hall and he isnt one of the best fo all time. If Namath made the hall with his numbers and only 1 SB, thats setting the bar low for best of all time. I know what the SB win meant for the League and all, but when you think of Best of all time Namath doesnt come to mind.[/quote]







                          Thats why Namath is in, for him it was not just the numbers, His victory assured the AFL/NFL merger - truly groundbreaking and HOF worthy. The Jets win changed football, and if you accomplish something that Drasticallychanges the sport for the better than that in and of itself is HOF worthy.




                          [/quote] I get what you are saying, but for me I just dont think its enough. I mean yes, they were the first AFL team to win a SB but its not like that would never have happened in the future. Would you make that QB a HOFer if they had pedestrian career stats? Im not sure that just because he won the 1st SB for the AFL that his career overall should have put him there. Yes, he was on the team and was the first AFL QB to win the SB and MVP, but he was 17/28 206 0 0 hardly a game winning performance. Was he really all that instrumental in wining the game that he deserved the MVP or was he more of a game manager and the whole guarantee thing got him the MVP and hence the HOF? (I ask only because I wasnt around to watch that game).[/quote]




                          Everything you said is true. Namath's career doesn't warrant him being in the HOF b/c he really wasn't all that good. One game shouldn't put him in there. The only reason why he's in is b/c the media loved him and they are the ones that vote on the HOF. And back during the time that he was inducted, the media was even more NYC dominated than it is today.




                          If he was brought up today for the HOF, a time when WR with the 2nd most career receptions can't get in, I doubt he makes it.Getting in today is alot harder than before, IMHO, and the voters hold guys to higher standards.

                          All Hail The New York Giants!!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Eli shouldn't be in the HOF

                            [quote user="NYGFaninILL"][quote user="TroyArcher"]He is getting real close and has proven himself to be a better postseason QB than Peyton.* 2-3 more years like this past year and he is a shoo in.*[/quote]

                            I agree with you, he doesnt have Peytons numbers yet though[/quote]Post season wise he shatters Peyton's numbers.

                            Eli thrives against tougher competition while Peyton folds.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Eli shouldn't be in the HOF

                              I hope it is a very long time before anybody needs to seriously wonder whether Eli is getting in the HOF or not. But I do understand the arguments that are taking place.

                              Regarding the HOF - everyone should remember that it isn't King Solomon making the judgements - it is 44 people (all or nearly all being sportswriters) - 44 people with their own criteria, their own likes and dislikes, their own varying degrees of principle and pettiness. Ideally, the best of the best would be chosen by the best of the best. However, if that were true, (in my humble opinion) Bill Parcells would have made it - obviously some people do not agree with me.

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