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  • Can someone explain to me how we got into such a bad cap situation?

    It doesn't make sense to me that we're so much worse off than other teams with regard to the cap. Our superstars other than Eli (Nicks, Cruz, JPP, etc) are mostly on rookie contracts...Tuck and Osi aren't making crazy money. We made a few moderately expensive FA signings like Canty, Boley, Rolle, Baas, but we haven't gone crazy like the Eagles have. For the most part we've been pretty modest and disciplined with our signings, so what's the deal? And will our situation get better any time soon?

  • #2
    Re: Can someone explain to me how we got into such a bad cap situation?

    Most of these came before the new CBA

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    • #3
      Re: Can someone explain to me how we got into such a bad cap situation?

      We were always around the numbers with a bit of cushion I believe.

      But when they went and got the new Salary Cap it went down from the previous year I believe. Plus last year was an uncapped year.

      So many teams were on the verge of or were over the cap when the cap went into affect in the new season, if what i recall is correct.

      I know there are many others who know a lot more then me on this and maybe they can explain it better to you.
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      • #4
        Re: Can someone explain to me how we got into such a bad cap situation?

        it went from no salary cap to having one.

        remember, just two years ago reese was getting a ton of pressure to go out and sign free agents. we had horrible secondary play so he went and made rolle the highest paid safety at the time.

        i think reese didnt expect there to be an issue with the new cba and that the salary cap wouldnt be an issue bc he certainly got real charitable with his contract offers. when u start giving very good players contracts that pay them like the top 3 in their position, and then a salary cap comes into play, it's going to be tough for a while.

        its nothing that reese can't fix, its just gonna be a few seasons before he gets it where he wants it to be.

        but we're really not in that bad a situation. we just can't go out and aquire any big name FA's, Reese absolutely nails his draft picks too so he's getting top notch players at rookie contracts. when they need new contracts, he doesn't have the luxury of low balling their contracts.

        all i care about is we resign our core players and a few role players. we should be able to do that no problem.

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        • #5
          Re: Can someone explain to me how we got into such a bad cap situation?



          the last capped year was 09 at 128 mil... 2010 uncappedyear were over the 09 cap..When 2011 startedwe were over the new cba cap by about 10 mil....." these are just rough numbers I'm going off memory"....we got under the 2011120 mil cap but not by a whole lot.... you would have to look at player salaries to see where its all going...butI don't believe we have a lot space....










          it won't be easy

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          • #6
            Re: Can someone explain to me how we got into such a bad cap situation?

            [quote user="giantsfan420"]it went from no salary cap to having one.

            i think reese didnt expect there to be an issue with the new cba and that the salary cap wouldnt be an issue[/quote]

            It was common knowledge preCBA that the cap would be lowered, hence why you saw plenty of teams cutting beforehand.

            Reese took his shot because they obviously felt they were a contending team only 2-3 years removed from winning it all.

            It was some mismanagement by the FO, something they gambled on, got burned, tempered and eventually worked out.

            Also when you look at the higher paid positions of the league- QB, Oline, pass rushers and corners, we have plenty of either skilled/veteran players in those positions. So while some of those guys are not earning tops in their respective positions, their average pay for a starter is much more than other positions.

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            • #7
              Re: Can someone explain to me how we got into such a bad cap situation?

              I don't really "get it" either. I'm hoping that all the other teams are dealing with the same problem and players like Rio and Osi have no where to go but stay here.

              Seriously, how can these players get other teams to break the bank with this new CB agreement ?

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              • #8
                Re: Can someone explain to me how we got into such a bad cap situation?

                I can not figure it out. We are always rught up against the cap. JR will have to work his magic again.

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                • #9
                  Re: Can someone explain to me how we got into such a bad cap situation?

                  Free agents are the biggest detriment to our cap situation. Making Antrel Rolle the highest paid safety at the time didnt help. There arent very many guys drastically playing under salary except for Victor Cruz. All of the O line basically makes good money, Hakeem and JPP have 1st rounder money. Webster is well paid. Osi and Tuck are well compensated despite Osi complaining. Jacobs is overpaid, and Bradshaw is making big money. Eli was considered drastically overpaid until a couple of months ago. Our Defensive Tackles are for the most part overpaid with Canty making crazy money. There is just a lot of bloat all over the team which makes me laugh at the people who look at JPP's contract and say pay the man without thinking how it will make an already bad situation worse.

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                  • #10
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                    Eli Manning at at 8,500,000 10,750,000 13,000,000 15,150,000 17,000,000 at
                    Chris Canty at at 5,250,000 6,000,000 6,250,000 6,500,000 UFA at
                    Corey Webster at at 5,000,000 6,500,000 7,000,000 UFA - at
                    Kareem McKenzie at at 4,300,000 UFA - - - at
                    David Diehl at at 4,000,000 3,825,000 4,100,000 UFA - at
                    Michael Boley at at 3,500,000 4,000,000 4,250,000 UFA - at
                    Justin Tuck at at 3,450,000 3,200,000 4,000,000 UFA - at
                    Osi Umenyiora at at 3,125,000 3,975,000 UFA - - at
                    Chris Snee at at 2,950,000 5,200,000 6,200,000 6,700,000 UFA at
                    Brandon Jacobs at at 2,900,000 4,400,000 UFA - - at
                    Mathias Kiwanuka at at 1,750,000 4,000,000 UFA - - at
                    Ahmad Bradshaw at at 1,500,000 3,000,000 3,750,000 4,000,000 UFA at
                    Mario Manningham at at 1,400,000 UFA - - - at
                    Aaron Ross at at 1,274,000 UFA - - - at
                    Antrel Rolle at at 1,250,000 6,750,000 7,000,000 7,000,000 UFA at
                    Lawrence Tynes at at 1,200,000 1,300,000 UFA - - at
                    Kevin Boothe at at 1,000,000 1,500,000 UFA - - at
                    David Baas at at 1,000,000 3,000,000 4,250,000 4,750,000 5,000,000 at
                    Deon Grant at at 910,000 UFA - - - at
                    David Carr at at 810,000 UFA - - - at
                    Jimmy Kennedy at at 810,000 UFA - - - at
                    Rocky Bernard at at 810,000 UFA - - - at
                    Michael Clayton at at 810,000 UFA - - - at
                    Stacy Andrews at at 810,000 UFA - - - at
                    Zak DeOssie at at 736,000 874,000 UFA - - at
                    Kenny Phillips at at 722,500 880,000 UFA - - at
                    Steve Weatherford at at 700,000 UFA - - - at
                    Will Blackmon at at 685,000 UFA - - - at
                    Chase Blackburn at at 685,000 UFA - - - at
                    Derrick Martin at at 685,000 UFA - - - at
                    Dave Tollefson at at 685,000 UFA - - - at
                    Tony Ugoh at at 685,000 UFA - - - at
                    Domenik Hixon at at 650,000 UFA - - - at
                    Danny Ware at at 640,000 650,000 RFA - - at
                    Terrell Thomas at at 600,000 UFA - - - at
                    Hakeem Nicks at at 575,000 750,000 925,000 UFA - at
                    Michael Coe at at 555,000 UFA - - - at
                    Jonathan Goff at at 555,000 UFA - - - at
                    Justin Tryon at at 555,000 UFA - - - at
                    Devin Thomas at at 555,000 UFA - - - at
                    Bear Pascoe at at 525,000 RFA - - - at
                    Travis Beckum at at 480,000 565,000 UFA - - at
                    William Beatty at at 480,000 565,000 UFA - - at
                    Ramses Barden at at 480,000 565,000 UFA - - at
                    Clint Sintim at at 480,000 565,000 UFA - - at
                    Brian Witherspoon at at 480,000 565,000 UFA - - at
                    Jason Pierre-Paul at at 475,000 825,000 1,175,000 1,511,000 UFA at
                    Victor Cruz at at 405,000 490,000 RFA - - at
                    Mitch Petrus at at 405,000 490,000 575,000 UFA - at
                    Jake Ballard at at 405,000 RFA - - - at
                    Linval Joseph at at 405,000 490,000 575,000 UFA - at
                    Chad Jones at at 405,000 490,000 575,000 UFA - at
                    Tyler Sash at at 375,000 465,000 555,000 645,000 UFA at
                    Jerrel Jernigan at at 375,000 465,000 555,000 645,000 UFA at
                    Jim Cordle at at 375,000 465,000 UFA - - at
                    Martin Parker at at 375,000 465,000 555,000 645,000 - at
                    Jacquian Williams at at 375,000 465,000 555,000 645,000 UFA at
                    Mark Herzlich at at 375,000 465,000 555,000 645,000 UFA at
                    Da'Rel Scott at at 375,000 465,000 555,000 645,000 UFA at
                    James Brewer at at 375,000 465,000 555,000 645,000 UFA at
                    Spencer Paysinger at at 375,000 465,000 555,000 645,000 UFA at
                    Marvin Austin at at 375,000 546,627 668,254 845,119 UFA at
                    Greg Jones at at 375,000 465,000 555,000 645,000 UFA at
                    Prince Amukamara at at 375,000 746,859 1,118,718 1,539,423 UFA






                    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/yearly/




                    Jerry Reese, as good as he is at drafting and evaluating players, he is as bad at adjusting cap and finances. Chris Canty is getting way too much money. Big jumps in Eli, Snee, Kiwi, Bradshaw, Rolle and Bass's contracts. It is going to get ugly.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Can someone explain to me how we got into such a bad cap situation?

                      Those are base salaries too. They don't reflect the entire cap effect.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Can someone explain to me how we got into such a bad cap situation?

                        going after a DT in the Albert Haynesworth year was questionable

                        what we paid to get Rolle was worth it, KP was a question and CC Brown was still fresh in minds

                        Canty should restructure, Diehl restructures, Rolle seems like he's a Giant at heart so maybe he works something again, Jacobs gets restructured or released.

                        money you could work from Canty to Osi would be my first priority ... get their salaries balanced out

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                        • #13
                          Re: Can someone explain to me how we got into such a bad cap situation?

                          dont forget that Tuck contract has more than a couple million in incentives in 12 and 13

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                          • #14
                            Re: Can someone explain to me how we got into such a bad cap situation?



                            Projected Caps Space per team. Take it for what its worht. Dont know the validity of this...




                            http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp













                            For the sake of this installment, we have designated teams that are less than $5M under the cap in RED. These are teams that have little money to sign free agents. Teams in BLACK, which are between $5M and $10M under the cap, are teams that look to be in pretty good shape in terms of adding more veterans without having to take drastic measures. Teams in GREEN are teams that are well under the cap and should have plenty of room to sign free agents.

                            With the latest CBA, which was finalized late in the Summer of 2011, the salary cap for 2011 was set at approximately $120,375,000. The projections for the 2012 figure, range between $121 Million and $125 Million, so I have elected to split the difference and use an estimate of $123 Million for 2012. Note that last season teams were allowed to borrow up to $3 Million against future capped years. Thus, the cap number for 2011 was really over $123 M. Likewise, in 2012 teams may borrow up to $2 Million against future years. Hence the real cap for 2012 is likely to be over $125 Million. For the purposes of this exercise, the numbers listed below are based on the $123.5 Million estimated cap.

                            Keep in mind that these numbers remain tentative -- and are changing on a daily basis. These "unofficial" figures are approximate as of February 7, 2012 and were compiled courtesy of the NFLPA and other various media sources. In some cases, these numbers include the cap adjustements for LTBE (Likely to Be Earned) incentives that were never achieved last season and have been credited against the 2012 cap. Note that teams like the Steelers that are significantly over the cap have until the 2nd week in March to comply.











































































































































                            Projected 2012 NFL Salary Cap Space for Each Team
                            Rank Team $ Under the Cap

                            1

                            Cincinnati Bengals

                            $42358760

                            2

                            Tennessee Titans

                            $3026023.20

                            3

                            Washington Redskins

                            $28648720

                            4

                            Kansas City Chiefs

                            $2715580.80

                            5

                            Tampa Bay Buccaneers

                            $2410054.40

                            6

                            Atlanta Falcons

                            $2277282.40

                            7

                            Denver Broncos

                            $21610880

                            8

                            New England Patriots

                            $2117261.60

                            9

                            Chicago Bears

                            $2111225.60

                            10

                            San Francisco 49ers

                            $2006102.40

                            11

                            Cleveland Browns

                            $19210840

                            12

                            Jacksonville Jaguars

                            $1572972.80

                            13

                            Buffalo Bills

                            $14573480

                            14

                            Seattle Seahawks

                            $1125756.80

                            15

                            San Diego Chargers

                            $1103983.20

                            16

                            New Orleans Saints

                            $9,641,928.00

                            17

                            Philadelphia Eagles

                            $9,035,304.00

                            18

                            Baltimore Ravens

                            $7,329,720.00

                            19

                            Minnesota Vikings

                            $6,921,576.00

                            20

                            Houston Texans

                            $6,693,328.00

                            21

                            Miami Dolphins

                            $6,363,824.00

                            22

                            Indianapolis Colts

                            $6,226,712.00

                            23

                            Green Bay Packers

                            $4,998,832.00

                            24

                            Arizona Cardinals

                            $4,212,360.00

                            25

                            St. Louis Rams

                            $2,017,096.00

                            26

                            Detroit Lions

                            $239,880.00

                            27

                            NY Giants

                            $-1,735,808.00

                            28

                            NY Jets

                            $-5,092,736.00

                            29

                            Dallas Cowboys

                            $-5,910,736.00

                            30

                            Carolina Panthers

                            $-6,962,768.00

                            31

                            Oakland Raiders

                            $-17,861,312.00

                            32

                            Pittsburgh Steelers

                            $-26,885,536.00

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                            • #15
                              Re: Can someone explain to me how we got into such a bad cap situation?



                              we've been more aggressive in FA than most people realize (too aggressive IMHO).




                              and to retain some talent we've overspent (our RBs).







                              See my thread lower on the page.

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