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What are you arguing with me about Roosevelt?

My entire point is we shouldn't be "Happy" we just became less talented on offense, you seem to agree that Boss won't be as good as Shockey this year, so why are you arguing with me if you agree with all my points (of which there is only one and it is the above mentioned)

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LOL... if Brandon Jacobs becomes the best back in NY Giants history, I will drive to Pomona and buy multiple rounds of whatever you're drinking.----JB-Giants

DavenIII:

What are you arguing with me about Roosevelt?

My entire point is we shouldn't be "Happy" we just became less talented on offense, you seem to agree that Boss won't be as good as Shockey this year, so why are you arguing with me if you agree with all my points (of which there is only one and it is the above mentioned)

We're arguing over the validity of comments like this:

"I'd much rather play with a guy who wants to be here than with a guy who doesn't want to be here. Regardless of his talent," he said. "It gives us the opportunity to turn the focus where it needs to be. The team with the least distractions has a heads up on people who do have it. We can go into camp with the ball rolling."

These are the comments of one of our team leaders.

Yes....I know....you're not buying it.

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"Good to see you again Brett."

Roosevelt:

We're arguing over the validity of comments like this:

"I'd much rather play with a guy who wants to be here than with a guy who doesn't want to be here. Regardless of his talent," he said. "It gives us the opportunity to turn the focus where it needs to be. The team with the least distractions has a heads up on people who do have it. We can go into camp with the ball rolling."

These are the comments of one of our team leaders.

Yes....I know....you're not buying it.

Well yeah, its not that I don't buy it at all, it just that I think its an EXTREMELY Minor factor if its a factor at all, do I believe that he'd rather play with someone who wants to be there....Yes I do, Do I think it matters who he would rather play with? No I don't...I believe the outcome will be the same eitherway....this differs from Talent, I believe if someone is talented and someone else is not, the talented player give your team a better chance to win.

Talent and Skill are tangible relative to "Team Unity" and can be measured.
Team Unity is sorta like Magic, you can believe in magic if you want to, and it can't "Hurt" to have it on your side....but is there any proof that it really exists (or in this case makes a difference)... nope there isn't.

So If I have to choose between something im not sure even makes a difference and something I KNOW makes a difference (like Talent)

I choose the sure bet everyday of the week and twice on sunday, Talent matters....there is no denying that, does team unity matter? obviously you think so, I don't, but neither of us know for sure...I know for SURE that Talent matters.

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LOL... if Brandon Jacobs becomes the best back in NY Giants history, I will drive to Pomona and buy multiple rounds of whatever you're drinking.----JB-Giants

DavenIII:

Roosevelt:

We're arguing over the validity of comments like this:

"I'd much rather play with a guy who wants to be here than with a guy who doesn't want to be here. Regardless of his talent," he said. "It gives us the opportunity to turn the focus where it needs to be. The team with the least distractions has a heads up on people who do have it. We can go into camp with the ball rolling."

These are the comments of one of our team leaders.

Yes....I know....you're not buying it.

Well yeah, its not that I don't buy it at all, it just that I think its an EXTREMELY Minor factor if its a factor at all, do I believe that he'd rather play with someone who wants to be there....Yes I do, Do I think it matters who he would rather play with? No I don't...I believe the outcome will be the same eitherway....this differs from Talent, I believe if someone is talented and someone else is not, the talented player give your team a better chance to win.

Talent and Skill are tangible relative to "Team Unity" and can be measured.
Team Unity is sorta like Magic, you can believe in magic if you want to, and it can't "Hurt" to have it on your side....but is there any proof that it really exists (or in this case makes a difference)... nope there isn't.

So If I have to choose between something im not sure even makes a difference and something I KNOW makes a difference (like Talent)

I choose the sure bet everyday of the week and twice on sunday, Talent matters....there is no denying that, does team unity matter? obviously you think so, I don't, but neither of us know for sure...I know for SURE that Talent matters.

Team Unity dosen't really exist or make a difference. You better hope that your confining that to last years SuperBowl run and that is all. It makes it no less an unintelligent concept but whatever. Otherwise that ranks as the most extreme absurd and just plain stupid bit of hyperbole I have ever seen on this MB. But I can see it comes from a singular mindset that has never experienced what a team and unity and loyalty to a team is. You deserve pity for this. But I have to harken to whats been said before. You can't fix stupid.

Gianthunter:

Team Unity dosen't really exist or make a difference. You better hope that your confining that to last years SuperBowl run and that is all.

I don't believe team unity had much if anything to do with our super bowl run, I think we won because we had alot of talent in some places people didn't expect it, I also believe that we made it past Dallas (Who I actually believe was more talented) because of some bad coaching decisions on there part (mostly the fact that they rested their players)

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LOL... if Brandon Jacobs becomes the best back in NY Giants history, I will drive to Pomona and buy multiple rounds of whatever you're drinking.----JB-Giants

Jint Fan 73:

No matter what anyone has to say this makes me wanna puke.

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formerly shockeyisthefuture on the old mb.

(Thx Bansaw)

where's FBomb? i told him i'd buy his kid a Boss jersey if Shockey got traded.

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DavenIII:

Gianthunter:

Team Unity dosen't really exist or make a difference. You better hope that your confining that to last years SuperBowl run and that is all.

I don't believe team unity had much if anything to do with our super bowl run, I think we won because we had alot of talent in some places people didn't expect it, I also believe that we made it past Dallas (Who I actually believe was more talented) because of some bad coaching decisions on there part (mostly the fact that they rested their players)

Nice post gleaning there. Now let me reinterate your concept on team unity in this and any other "team" whatever it maybe. Is not only invalid but also shows a complete denial of reality. It takes a sad person to go to such lengths to try to support something so insane. At least have some stats to show your  on the plus side of the line even a little. Especially going off on a tangent to explain a non point about team unity. Because after all there where three other games you could have commented on to try and represent that the Giants were not a unified team. Again props on the post gleaning.Wow

DavenIII:

Gianthunter:

Team Unity dosen't really exist or make a difference. You better hope that your confining that to last years SuperBowl run and that is all.

I don't believe team unity had much if anything to do with our super bowl run, I think we won because we had alot of talent in some places people didn't expect it, I also believe that we made it past Dallas (Who I actually believe was more talented) because of some bad coaching decisions on there part (mostly the fact that they rested their players)

Huh? Then why did Tom Coughlin continue to stress team unity to the players?

 The Giants are in the wrong when they let Shockey go. Shockey is still a good te. The Giants should have accomidate the playbook for him. Shockey has the talent to do a lot of things on the field more than most tes in the NFL. Yet he does not get the opportunities to do things that can help the Giants.

As for Shockey not wanting to be a Giant, that may be true but, the Giants should have told him that they would give him more opportunities to get the football. He needs the football because he has the talent to do things that could help the Giants put up a lot of points. Now I feel that Gilbride may not have the ability to change his philosphy. If he can't, then the Giants may have a lot of trouble on offense. There are still questionmarks on both sides of the ball. Now there are even more questions when Shockey was traded. The Saints want him for a good reason and they know better than posters who put Shockey down. As for Shockey acting up, I like it, it shows that he wants to win. Instead of Reese trading him, he should have march his behind into Gilbride's or Coughlin's office with Shockey and see what they could do to help Shockey get more catches, yards and tds.

Strahan is no longer with the Giants and now Shockey is gone. This is not good for the Giants. To me Boss did little in the playoffs. He has caught some balls and all of a sudden he will be a good te in a lot of posters' minds. Well Shockey is an above talent but no matter how talented he is, the OC has got to write football plays that will bring Shockey's abilities out.

GiantsWinAlltime:

 The Giants are in the wrong when they let Shockey go. Shockey is still a good te. The Giants should have accomidate the playbook for him. Shockey has the talent to do a lot of things on the field more than most tes in the NFL. Yet he does not get the opportunities to do things that can help the Giants.

As for Shockey not wanting to be a Giant, that may be true but, the Giants should have told him that they would give him more opportunities to get the football. He needs the football because he has the talent to do things that could help the Giants put up a lot of points. Now I feel that Gilbride may not have the ability to change his philosphy. If he can't, then the Giants may have a lot of trouble on offense. There are still questionmarks on both sides of the ball. Now there are even more questions when Shockey was traded. The Saints want him for a good reason and they know better than posters who put Shockey down. As for Shockey acting up, I like it, it shows that he wants to win. Instead of Reese trading him, he should have march his behind into Gilbride's or Coughlin's office with Shockey and see what they could do to help Shockey get more catches, yards and tds.

Strahan is no longer with the Giants and now Shockey is gone. This is not good for the Giants. To me Boss did little in the playoffs. He has caught some balls and all of a sudden he will be a good te in a lot of posters' minds. Well Shockey is an above talent but no matter how talented he is, the OC has got to write football plays that will bring Shockey's abilities out.

 

Shockey is a good TE but he is paid an an elite TE which he isn't.  Not only that he whines, refuses to be part of the team, and is a cancer.  The Giants won a Super Bowl without this cancer and Eli played his best stretch of football, all against playoff caliber teams with Shockey gone.  Shockey's behavior is childish and moronic, something few High School Football Caoches would put up with for long. Gilbride would be a fool to change his philosophy, he won a Super Bowl with it.  His best change last year was puytting Boss in the starting lineup.  Shockey is near the end oof his career as he is another "Lavar Arrington" - he will injured by October.  The Redskin fans laughed at the Giants when they signed Arrington and the Giant fans will be laughing at the Saints (along with acquiring two draft picks) for taking Shockey.  Reese successfully jetisoned the Giant's cancer to the Saints for a profit - the man is a genius.

Shockey was my favorite player.  I didnt know what to think when I found out that the Giants had traded him, guess i was mad at first but then in thinking about it some more I think it is for the best.  I will miss his desire and willingness to do all that is necessary to win.  He brought so much fire and intesnsity to the team, which was sometimes both good and bad. 

At the end of the day the NFL is a business and you have to think about what is best for the team.  I would have loved a 2nd and a 4th rounder or a 1st and a 6th.  I also think that it was smart to get the picks for next year.  With what Resse has done with his draft picks so far in his career as the GM, I am more than confident that he will select good quality players that can compete right away for jobs. 

Funny story, I am a teacher and I am teaching summer school right now.  I told my students that my favorite player got traded to another team and I am kinda upset.  One of my students says to me, "well why dont you just start liking that team".  I had to laugh.  It also made me realize that for me it is about the GIANTS not just one player.  

I also am in the market for a new jersey.  I am thinking the other firestarter on offense, JACOBS!!!   

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18-1! WRITE THAT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah he was 50 cause harrison couldnt take him down and tried to swipe the ball if memeory serves me correctly

shockey would have had a TD if he was in boss' shoes on that play. thats the truth man.

i like boss. hes in my avatar since his game in washington but im not a nut swinger like most here

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Audioslave is the best band of the new age even though they are not together and the New York Giants are going to the Super Bowl next year!!! To the Simms guy. Nice sig to trash my opinion about one of my favorite bands.

This sheds a bit more light on things.  This is Mike Pope from an article in this mornings Bergen Record:

" But yes we did have a rather unique relationship because of some of the absences that existed in his upbringing.”

To Shockey, Pope became something of the father-figure he did not have during his childhood. “I think a player sometimes can be at a place too long,” Pope said. “And I think the things that happened, the injury and the things that went on in his mind, having to watch the Super Bowl and the team continuing to succeed  I think he realized that teams continue to move on when individuals aren’t there.

 “What went on and all those things that took place, he obviously felt he needed a new place, a new start. It was just time for him to move on.”

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/Giant_expectations.html

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"Good to see you again Brett."