Has Mathias Kiwanuka ever made a big play?

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Originally Posted by Riverboat76

None of them. It's been a problem. Look at the traditionally dominant defenses over the years...they all have All-Pro Level linebackers. 49ers, Steelers, Ravens, Bears.

I love Reese but this has been one problem he hasn't been able to fix yet. He keeps throwing band-aids on the gaping wound. He drafted Sintim high to be an answer but he turned out to be the worst one yet.

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so basically your thread could have been about any of the Giants recent LBs of the last 3 years or so.
They havent found the right mox yet. You named 4 teams with very good LB corps. After thinking about it not too mnay teams have very good to great LBs....seems harder than realized to put together a consistently solid group

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Originally Posted by Riverboat76

None of them. It's been a problem. Look at the traditionally dominant defenses over the years...they all have All-Pro Level linebackers. 49ers, Steelers, Ravens, Bears.

I love Reese but this has been one problem he hasn't been able to fix yet. He keeps throwing band-aids on the gaping wound. He drafted Sintim high to be an answer but he turned out to be the worst one yet.

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What's annoying about Reese is he really hasn't even tried to fix it other than drafting a bunch of guys in late rounds and moving Kiwi. Its like he doesn't take the position seriously.

I mean he drafts Sintim in the second round who was a 3-4 backer and tries to turn him into a 4-3 backer. Does he think this is some sort of video game?

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Originally Posted by burier

What's annoying about Reese is he really hasn't even tried to fix it other than drafting a bunch of guys in late rounds and moving Kiwi. Its like he doesn't take the position seriously.

I mean he drafts Sintim in the second round who was a 3-4 backer and tries to turn him into a 4-3 backer. Does he think this is some sort of video game?

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I agree.....but I dont agree about the whole 3-4 vs 4-3 thing with LBs. Mabey just my ignorance for the scheme but it seems if Kiwi can become a decent LB why couldn't Sintim become a 4-3 LB??
I think its just one of those things that just didnt work out.

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Originally Posted by GameTime

so basically your thread could have been about any of the Giants recent LBs of the last 3 years or so.
They havent found the right mox yet. You named 4 teams with very good LB corps. After thinking about it not too mnay teams have very good to great LBs....seems harder than realized to put together a consistently solid group

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Kiwi has been the one constant LB over the years and he just got rewarded with a big contract before the season...and I don't think his play justifies it. That is why I singled him out.

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Originally Posted by GameTime

I agree.....but I dont agree about the whole 3-4 vs 4-3 thing with LBs. Mabey just my ignorance for the scheme but it seems if Kiwi can become a decent LB why couldn't Sintim become a 4-3 LB??
I think its just one of those things that just didnt work out.

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Its not impossible. I think you can switch a backer from a 3-4 to a 4-3 but conventional wisdom says a smoother transition would have been to move Sintm to DE.

I just dont think you should gamble with your early picks like that.

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Originally Posted by burier

Its not impossible. I think you can switch a backer from a 3-4 to a 4-3 but conventional wisdom says a smoother transition would have been to move Sintm to DE.

I just dont think you should gamble with your early picks like that.

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the Giants like "athletic" players overall and that what they saw in Sintim I believe. Either way it didnt work out for them or him.....

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Originally Posted by Riverboat76

He has been invisible, and I don't want to hear it's because he is "funneling" plays to other guys who are then not making the tackle. He's invisible because he is a big, slow LB who plays poor in space. Period.

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How many times does this have to be rehashed in this thread? I am sorry this is a very narrowminded, uninformed view of how a LB'er helps make the run defense top notch. No one else makes a stop in the run defense even if Kiwi plays his position properly and that's Kiwi's fault? If a guy like Bowman (knowing what he's capable of presently with a solid supporting cast) all the sudden went to a new team who's defense does nothing to help him and his output dropped I guess you'd tear into him too and say he was overrated to begin with. Ever think that Bowman puts up and makes the eye-opening numbers/plays you are referencing because the other guys around him do their job as well as or perhaps even better than Bowman does?

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Originally Posted by Riverboat76

Kiwi has been the one constant LB over the years and he just got rewarded with a big contract before the season...and I don't think his play justifies it. That is why I singled him out.

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gotcha....