Has Mathias Kiwanuka ever made a big play?

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Originally Posted by fansince69

again with stats that don't mean anything on their own...unbelievable

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Originally, I wasn't going to say anything about the stats. I didn't even know the stats before I started writing this thread. I simply have never seen him make a play. And then I looked at his stats and it illustrated my point.

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Originally Posted by repeatchamps

Lol, this is ridiculous. He makes tackles good for him but I am sure he does things that gets other teammates tackles also. Who cares as long as the RB is driven into the turf for minimal or no gain when Kiwi or any other LB'er in the NFL does their job.

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Oh wait, so you're saying the Giants defense is a stout rushing defense? I guess those Cowboys and Eagles games didn't count against the Giants then.

Kiwi is a very good LBer and he's progressively gotten better each season.

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Originally Posted by Riverboat76

Yes, of course, because making tackles as a LB is apparently not important.

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so let's put this in perspective for the slower viewers
he has 45 tackles kiwi has 7


fine...where are the rest of the numbers?
has this other guy had 90 balls run at him and missed 45 tackles? ...thats not very good...has kiwi made all 7 tackles on the plays that have come his way? pretty damn good....until you can provide ALL the numbers....the stat of tackles doesn't mean anything....Numbers can say anything you want them to say if you only find PART of the numbers.....I am not saying this other guy isn't doing better than kiwi........I'm saying based on the info you have provided...there is no way to tell

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Originally Posted by NYG4lifeNYK

Kiwi is a very good LBer and he's progressively gotten better each season.

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Based on what?

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Originally Posted by fansince69

so let's put this in perspective for the slower viewers
he has 45 tackles kiwi has 7


fine...where are the rest of the numbers?
has this other guy had 90 balls run at him and missed 45 tackles? ...thats not very good...has kiwi made all 7 tackles on the plays that have come his way? pretty damn good....until you can provide ALL the numbers....the stat of tackles doesn't mean anything....Numbers can say anything you want them to say if you only find PART of the numbers.....I am not saying this other guy isn't doing better than kiwi........I'm saying based on the info you have provided...there is no way to tell

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I agree that a single stat alone doenst provide much to a conversation. I like Kiwi.

But I don't think any of us can sit here and say Bowmann's 45 tackles through 4 games isnt impressive. If our famed run-stopping LB'er has 7 and he has 45, thats impressive for him. Have to admit, no?

And don't worry I'm not basing the Giants or anyone else, just being realistic..objective.

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Originally Posted by Riverboat76

Based on what?

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Based on pff rated him as one of the top lb in the nfl against the run...why aren't you getting that?

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Originally Posted by CowboysSuck

I agree that a single stat alone doenst provide much to a conversation. I like Kiwi.

But I don't think any of us can sit here and say Bowmann's 45 tackles through 4 games isnt impressive. If our famed run-stopping LB'er has 7 and he has 45, thats impressive for him. Have to admit, no?

And don't worry I'm not basing the Giants or anyone else, just being realistic..objective.

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I didn't say it was or it wasn't all I am saying that a stat on it's own means very little....you need ALL the stats

Guys, I understand bashing trolls. And trolls, I understand bashing Kiwi.

But lets both be honest.

Kiwi isn't an above average LB (all around). Hes good against the run, and thats about it. Hes a Team Player most importantly, which is very important. Lets not make him out to be a slouch, because he's not. But lets also not talk about him like he is Sean Lee or Lance Briggs, which he is not.

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Originally Posted by fansince69

I have no idea why you guys keep saying this....KIWI was one of the top rated linebackers in the NFL vs the run last year......a linebackers job is to defend the run....how is he not doing a good job?.....some just do not get it....as opposed to someone like OSI that makes 3-4 spectacular plays a year and misses the rest...I'll take the guy that makes all the plays and doesn't get the spotlight

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lol top rated by who. PFF. lmao

If he was so great against the run why did almost every team we faced run all over us last year. And where was he against the run sunday night?

I swear if you make one play behind the line of scrimmage as a defender Giants fans will love you forever.