Phil Simms: "No, Eli Is Not One Of The Elites....."

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Originally Posted by Kruunch

Yep ... but so was Mark Rypien and a couple of dozen other unremarkable QBs.

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What does that have to do with anything?

Phil played in a defense only league. Eli plays in an offense only league.

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Originally Posted by Morehead State

There is?

OK lets put it this way....Every season, he's had unGodly numbers. I mean the guy has never NOT thrown for 4000 yards. And he's not in any dome up there.

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Sure there's a difference ... otherwise Cam Newton could have retired last year and would be in Canton in 2017.

Otherwise I agree on your points ... up to now. However *now* is half a career.

P.S. - Rodgers has thrown for less than 4k yards almost as many times has he's thrown for more than 4k yards ;)

How many games has Eli had this season where he was consistently "elite" throughout the entire 60 minutes? I'd say he did fantastic against the Browns (That 1 INT was blatant PI) and had a great 2nd half against TB but he has been too inconsistent for my tastes at this point otherwise. I'd grade him at above average against the Pack since some of those short throw incompletions were just downright atrocious.

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Originally Posted by Giants5699

Phil played in a defense only league. Eli plays in an offense only league.

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Tell that to Marino, Kelly, Montana and Elway.

Definitely a different league back then but let's not pretend it was 1932 either.

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Originally Posted by Morehead State

What does that have to do with anything?

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Exactly.

Rodgers' career = incomplete.

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Originally Posted by Kruunch

Exactly.

Rodgers' career = incomplete.

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Everybody who is still playing has an incomplete career. How is this not obvious to you?
So when a guy is still playing we shouldn't talk about him?

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Originally Posted by Morehead State

Everybody who is still playing has an incomplete career. How is this not obvious to you?
So when a guy is still playing we shouldn't talk about him?

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If Brady, Brees, Roflberger, Peyton and Eli were to drop dead today, they would be HoFers (Eli being borderline but I believe his two MVPs would put him over the top, as would Roflberger and his # of SB appearances).

Rodgers would not be in the HoF.

Or do you dispute that?

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Originally Posted by Kruunch

If Brady, Brees, Roflberger, Peyton and Eli were to drop dead today, they would be HoFers (Eli being borderline but I believe his two MVPs would put him over the top, as would Roflberger and his # of SB appearances).

Rodgers would not be in the HoF.

Or do you dispute that?

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What does Hall of Fame status have to do with a complete or incomplete career?
And as for your little dire scenario, I have no idea what motivates a bunch of sports writers.

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Originally Posted by Morehead State

What does Hall of Fame status have to do with a complete or incomplete career?
And as for your little dire scenario, I have no idea what motivates a bunch of sports writers.

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You make equivocating an art form sir.

And you also made my point. :)

In any event, I think Simms was just throwing up **** to see what would stick (he hasn't been this talked about since 86). If you truly don't think Eli is elite, then cool. As a Giants fan, I'll enjoy my little bit of self induced nirvana :D