THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

<h1>NBA vs. NHL: Attendance and Ratings In Markets Where TeamsCompete</h1>

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<span class="time">April 22, 2010</span></p></div>

New York</p>


Ratings

Knicks - 0.95

Rangers – 0.89</p>


Attendance

Rangers – <span style="font-weight:normal;">99.3% Capacity</span>

Knicks – 98.7% Capacity</p>


New Jersey</p>


Ratings

Devils – 0.58

Nets – 0.29</p>


Attendance

Devils – 88.2% capacity

Nets – 69.1% capacity</p>


Los Angeles</p>


Ratings

Lakers – 3.54

Kings – 0.48

Clippers – 0.44</p>


Attendance

Lakers – 99.7% capacity

Kings – 93.6% capacity

Clippers – 85.7% capacity</p>


Chicago</p>


Ratings

Blackhawks – 2.45

Bulls – 2.35</p>


Attendance

Blackhawks – 108.3% capacity

Bulls – 99.1% capacity</p>


Philadelphia</p>


Ratings

Flyers – 2.18

76ers – 1.24</p>


Attendance

Flyers – 100.2% capacity

76ers – 70.0% capacity</p>


Dallas</p>


Ratings

Mavericks – 2.41

Stars – 0.74</p>


Attendance

Mavericks – 104.1% capacity

Stars – 92.9% capacity</p>


Bay Area</p>


Ratings

Warriors – 1.35

Sharks – 1.11</p>


Attendance

Sharks – <span style="font-weight:normal;">100.4%</span>

Warriors – 92.0%</p>


Boston</p>


Ratings

Celtics – 3.11

Bruins – 2.18</p>


Attendance

Bruins – 99.0%

Celtics – 97.6%</p>


Atlanta</p>


Ratings

Hawks – 1.93/1.66

Thrashers – 0.33</p>


Attendance

Hawks – 88.3% capacity

Thrashers – 73.4%capacity</p>


Washington</p>


Ratings

Capitals – 1.60

Wizards – 1.18</p>


Attendance

Capitals – 100.0%

Wizards – 80.3%</p>


Detroit</p>


Ratings

Red Wings – 4.21

Pistons – 1.98</p>


Attendance

Red Wings – 97.4% capacity

Pistons – 84.9% capacity</p>


Phoenix</p>


Ratings

Suns – 3.18

Coyotes – 0.62</p>


Attendance

Suns – 95.8% capacity

Coyotes – 68.5% capacity</p>


Minneapolis/St. Paul</p>


Ratings

Wild – 1.67

Timberwolves – 0.75</p>


Attendance

Wild – 101.9% capacity

Timberwolves – 78.0% capacity</p>


Denver</p>


Ratings

Nuggets – 2.78

Avalanche – 1.56</p>


Attendance

Nuggets – 93.9% capacity

Avalanche – 77.5% capacity</p>


Miami</p>


Ratings

Heat – 2.48

Panthers – 0.25</p>


Attendance

Heat – 90.5%

Panthers – 78.7%</p>
Markets Where Hockey Defeats Basketball

Ratings: <span style="font-weight:normal;">6</span>

Attendance: <span style="font-weight:normal;">9</span>

Both:

N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.

<font size="4">Hockey Only Beating Hoops on TV in ThreeMarkets</font>

We’re not
going to make an enthusiasm gap joke here. <font color="#0000FF">Basketball’s always doing
better than hockey on TV, and that’s not what that subject was debated
on. <font size="4">The point here as that it takes a basketball team really blowing
chunks to find a hockey team that can beat it in the ratings.</font></font></p>


What follows after the jump is a slightly more detailed look at the
NBA vs. NHL battle in markets where both teams compete. We’ll feature
the teams in the market’s current average attendance as well. Enjoy.</p>

Atlanta

NBA: Hawks

NHL: Thrashers</p>


Attendance

Hawks: 16,398 (87.6%)

Thrashers: 14,361 (77.4%)</p>


TV Ratings

Hawks: 1.4

Thrashers: 0.2</p>


Boston

NBA: Celtics

NHL: Bruins</p>


Attendance

Celtics: 18,624 (100%)

Bruins: 16,731 (89.8%)</p>


TV Ratings

Celtics: 3.7

Bruins: 2.2</p>


Chicago

NBA: Bulls

NHL: Blackhawks</p>


Attendance

Bulls: 21,003 (96.7%)

Blackhawks: 22,495 (114.7%)</p>


TV Ratings

Bulls: 2.3

Blackhawks: 1.1</p>


Dallas

NBA: Mavericks

NHL: Stars</p>


Attendance

Mavericks: 20,020 (104.3%)

Stars: 17,645 (95.2%)</p>


TV Ratings

Mavericks: 1.2

Stars: 0.5</p>


Denver

NBA: Nuggets

NHL: Avalanche</p>


Attendance

Nuggets: 16,820 (87.8%)

Avalanche: 15,797 (87.7%)</p>


TV Ratings

Nuggets: 1.8

Avalanche: 1.7</p>


Detroit

NBA: Pistons

NHL: Red Wings</p>


Attendance

Pistons: 22,076 (100%)

Red Wings: 19,724 (98.3%)</p>


TV Ratings

Pistons: 3.9

Red Wings: 3.7</p>


South Florida

NBA: Heat

NHL: Panthers</p>


Attendance

Heat: 17,754 (90.6%)

Panthers: 14,967 (77.8%)</p>


TV Ratings

Heat: 2.2

Panthers: 0.2</p>


Los Angeles

NBA: Lakers and Clippers

NHL: Kings</p>


Attendance

Lakers: 18,997 (99.7%)

Clippers: <span style="font-weight:normal;">15,443 (81.0%)</span>

Kings: 15,965 (86.3%)</p>


TV Ratings

Lakers: 4.2

Clippers: 0.6

Kings: 0.4</p>


Minnesota

NBA: Timberwolves

NHL: Wild</p>


Attendance

Timberwolves: 13,730 (70.9%)

Wild: 18,568 (102.8%)</p>


TV Ratings

Timberwolves: 1.1

Wild: 2.2</p>


New Jersey

NBA: Nets

NHL: Devils</p>


Attendance

Nets: <span style="font-weight:normal;">15,152 (75.8%)</span>

Devils: 15,313 (86.9%)</p>


TV Ratings

Nets: 0.6

Devils: 0.4</p>


New York

NBA: Knicks

NHL: Rangers</p>


Attendance

Knicks: 19,132 (96.8%)

Rangers: 18,200 (100%)</p>


TV Ratings

Knicks: 1.2

Rangers: 1.0</p>


Philadelphia

NBA: 76ers

NHL: Flyers</p>


Attendance

76ers: 14,536 (71.5%)

Flyers: 19,428 (99.6%)</p>


TV Ratings

76ers: 1.5

Flyers: 2.2</p>


Phoenix</p>


NBA: Suns

NHL: Coyotes</p>


Attendance

Suns: 18,422 (100%)

Coyotes: 14,801 (84.6%)</p>


TV Ratings

Suns: 3.4

Coyotes: 0.5</p>


Bay Area

NBA: Warriors

NHL: Sharks</p>


Attendance

Warriors: 18,855 (96,2%)

Sharks: 17,483 (99.9%)</p>


TV Ratings

Warriors: 1.5

Sharks: 1.3</p>


Washington

NBA: Wizards

NHL: Capitals</p>


Attendance

Wizards: 16,854 (83.5%)

Capitals: 17,973 (96.3%)</p>


TV Ratings

Wizards: 1.1

Capitals: 1.2</p>
All attendance numbers are from ESPN. All ratings numbers are from Sports Business Journal via Sports Media

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

yea but the fact remains that NBA has 4 more NBA franchises, bigger stadiums, and bigger crowds

/end game
[/quote]4 more Franchises that cant sellout, bigger arenas that are empty and bigger crowds that arent filling the seats
[/quote]

they average more people per game and only ONE NHL team sells out every night, while two NBA teams sell out every night on average regardless of where they play.
[/quote]More people cause there's more seats
More NHL teams can support strong home fanbases while NBA teams have better road followings
[/quote]

Not if u take out the Canadian franchises
[/quote]If you take out the Canadian teams there are still more NHL teams that sell out on a consistent basis
[/quote]


http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/...11/sort/allPct

http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/...11/sort/allPct

the truth will set you free
[/quote]The NHL would still have more teams (Chicago, Philthy, SJ, DC, STL, Boston, Pittsburgh) compared to the NBA (Dallas, Chicago, Portland, Orlando, Miami, Boston)

The NHL also has 4 teams that sellout 99% of their games compared to the NBAs 3
[/quote]

bottom line is that overall both leagues don't sell out overall and can sell more tickets if they had the fan base and the NBA still outdraws the NHL
[/quote]

Bottom line is that the NBA cant stand up to the NHL in selling out and maintaining strong fanbases. If they had the fanbases of the NFL we'd both be screwed as fans, then again thatll never happen cause NBA and NHL have 82 game seasons
[/quote]

I see rex is back making ridic statements
[/quote]Nah I gotta say the most ridiculous statement was saying that the nation doesnt care about hockey, cause it plain and simple isnt true

i just looked something up and I thought it was funny. The best Stanley Cup ratings the NHL ever had was last year and it was pretty much the same exact number that the season premier of an awful show I was watching last year called THE CAPE....

long story short... if NHL was a TV show - it would be cancelled

lol

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

yea but the fact remains that NBA has 4 more NBA franchises, bigger stadiums, and bigger crowds

/end game
[/quote]4 more Franchises that cant sellout, bigger arenas that are empty and bigger crowds that arent filling the seats
[/quote]

they average more people per game and only ONE NHL team sells out every night, while two NBA teams sell out every night on average regardless of where they play.
[/quote]More people cause there's more seats
More NHL teams can support strong home fanbases while NBA teams have better road followings
[/quote]

Not if u take out the Canadian franchises
[/quote]If you take out the Canadian teams there are still more NHL teams that sell out on a consistent basis
[/quote]


http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/...11/sort/allPct

http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/...11/sort/allPct

the truth will set you free
[/quote]The NHL would still have more teams (Chicago, Philthy, SJ, DC, STL, Boston, Pittsburgh) compared to the NBA (Dallas, Chicago, Portland, Orlando, Miami, Boston)

The NHL also has 4 teams that sellout 99% of their games compared to the NBAs 3
[/quote]

bottom line is that overall both leagues don't sell out overall and can sell more tickets if they had the fan base and the NBA still outdraws the NHL
[/quote]

Bottom line is that the NBA cant stand up to the NHL in selling out and maintaining strong fanbases. If they had the fanbases of the NFL we'd both be screwed as fans, then again thatll never happen cause NBA and NHL have 82 game seasons
[/quote]

I see rex is back making ridic statements
[/quote]Nah I gotta say the most ridiculous statement was saying that the nation doesnt care about hockey, cause it plain and simple isnt true
[/quote]

its actually quite true

hockey towns care about hockey - thats about it...

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]


Let me just say this. I don't follow the NHL like I used to. (for reasons I have already explained), but back when the Blackhawks played at the old Chicago Stadium, a playoff game there was just about the most exciting and intense sporting event there was.</P>


That place rocked like I've never seen at any football game or basketball game.</P>


Hockey is much more of a live sport than basketball or even baseball. Its just not a great fit for TV. But the NHL is a very exciting game, especially in the playoffs. The league has made several mistakes, especially having far too many teams in an attempt to Americanize it. But the game itself is great at its core.</P>


[/quote]

Blackhawks seem to be the biggest attractiong between any team in any league

which is funny because I don't know one person on their team.

Its silly to even have this conversation... what Lundquist did the other day was INSANE. A shutout on 42 shots is something that I even know is sick.

It was still page 4 print compared to Lin and the Knicks. You may have some hardcore hockey towns, but the truth is that nobody really cares throughout the whole country
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I don't really know what the excitement is at Blackhawk games these days. But in the days of Stan Makita and Tony Esposito, it was nuts.</P>


You can look at attendance figures if you like. But hoops draws more celebrities, corporations, and other phony fans. Hockey fans are hard core.</P>


Basketball is all about slam dunks, hotdogging, one on one play and the glorification of a few superstars. Hockey is all about the <U>game</U>.</P>


Gotta go with Kase 100% on this argument.</P>


[/quote]

everything u just said, actually means u agree with me

America's interest in NBA HIGHLY outweights the interest of the NHL...

its clear

stop davening - your not every good at it anymore


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Its all about TV Matt. Thats where the money is at. Hockey doesn't play well on TV. But as a live event, its a great game.</P>

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Kase-1"]Bottom line is that the NBA cant stand up to the NHL in selling out and maintaining strong fanbases.
[/quote]
Locally maybe. Nationally it's not even close.
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and no, because locally to kase is the tri-state

Knicks are the bigger story than the Rangers and from what i've been hearing the Rangers are looking liket he best team in the NHL
[/quote]Yes, the Tri-State. Thats what local is, cause there are Knicks and Rangers fans from all 3 states that commute and attend the games at the garden.

The Rangers have been selling out much more than the Knicks for quite some time now

the truth is that nobody really cares throughout the whole country

[quote user="Kase-1"]
See ridiculous generalized statements like that make this argument go on WAY too long
[/quote]
I believe this to be true as well Kase. General statement or not. If we are going with majority it's true.

[quote user="bigblue4417"]<h1>NBA vs. NHL: Attendance and Ratings In Markets Where TeamsCompete</h1>

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<span class="time">April 22, 2010</span></p></div>

New York</p>


Ratings

Knicks - 0.95

Rangers – 0.89</p>


Attendance

Rangers – <span style="font-weight:normal;">99.3% Capacity</span>

Knicks – 98.7% Capacity</p>


New Jersey</p>


Ratings

Devils – 0.58

Nets – 0.29</p>


Attendance

Devils – 88.2% capacity

Nets – 69.1% capacity</p>


Los Angeles</p>


Ratings

Lakers – 3.54

Kings – 0.48

Clippers – 0.44</p>


Attendance

Lakers – 99.7% capacity

Kings – 93.6% capacity

Clippers – 85.7% capacity</p>


Chicago</p>


Ratings

Blackhawks – 2.45

Bulls – 2.35</p>


Attendance

Blackhawks – 108.3% capacity

Bulls – 99.1% capacity</p>


Philadelphia</p>


Ratings

Flyers – 2.18

76ers – 1.24</p>


Attendance

Flyers – 100.2% capacity

76ers – 70.0% capacity</p>


Dallas</p>


Ratings

Mavericks – 2.41

Stars – 0.74</p>


Attendance

Mavericks – 104.1% capacity

Stars – 92.9% capacity</p>


Bay Area</p>


Ratings

Warriors – 1.35

Sharks – 1.11</p>


Attendance

Sharks – <span style="font-weight:normal;">100.4%</span>

Warriors – 92.0%</p>


Boston</p>


Ratings

Celtics – 3.11

Bruins – 2.18</p>


Attendance

Bruins – 99.0%

Celtics – 97.6%</p>


Atlanta</p>


Ratings

Hawks – 1.93/1.66

Thrashers – 0.33</p>


Attendance

Hawks – 88.3% capacity

Thrashers – 73.4%capacity</p>


Washington</p>


Ratings

Capitals – 1.60

Wizards – 1.18</p>


Attendance

Capitals – 100.0%

Wizards – 80.3%</p>


Detroit</p>


Ratings

Red Wings – 4.21

Pistons – 1.98</p>


Attendance

Red Wings – 97.4% capacity

Pistons – 84.9% capacity</p>


Phoenix</p>


Ratings

Suns – 3.18

Coyotes – 0.62</p>


Attendance

Suns – 95.8% capacity

Coyotes – 68.5% capacity</p>


Minneapolis/St. Paul</p>


Ratings

Wild – 1.67

Timberwolves – 0.75</p>


Attendance

Wild – 101.9% capacity

Timberwolves – 78.0% capacity</p>


Denver</p>


Ratings

Nuggets – 2.78

Avalanche – 1.56</p>


Attendance

Nuggets – 93.9% capacity

Avalanche – 77.5% capacity</p>


Miami</p>


Ratings

Heat – 2.48

Panthers – 0.25</p>


Attendance

Heat – 90.5%

Panthers – 78.7%</p>
Markets Where Hockey Defeats Basketball

Ratings: <span style="font-weight:normal;">6</span>

Attendance: <span style="font-weight:normal;">9</span>

Both: [/quote]9 out of 15 isnt bad at all. phoenix coyotes....what a joke