What evidence do you have that Romney "dislikes" anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by JPizzack
it shouldn't drive you nuts....it's fairly clear to me that he dislikes more people than he wants to help, he comes across as a prejudice, and unaccepting person, driven by religious fundamentals that I personally find disturbing. I also won't vote for multi-millionaires who already control way too much of our country by getting whatever policies they want passed by throwing money in the right direction.
Another thought:
Daven(i think it was him) brought up the point that taxing the rich doesn't make alot of money. That's fine and all, but...it doesn't give the rest of us a break from getting hammered day in and day out. The rest of us continue to pay the same, to compensate the taxes for the rich, because damn it's easy to have tax free funds. (my job even does it for people through some of our investment services reps). So they really need to think less about how taxes are going to generate income, and more about just making the lower/middle class paying more. Buyer confidence, although only part of the equation, is important to the economy getting back to it's former self.
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10-01-2012, 04:51 PMMorehead StateWhat evidence do you have that Romney "dislikes" anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by JPizzack
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10-01-2012, 04:54 PMDavenIIIHe isn't conservative enough, at least not in my opinion, I say this and Pizz and MMB jump all over me but it's the truth, he is cow-towing to the independents and even trying to win some undecided democrats over (people who are angry at Obama for not doing enough)Quote:
Originally Posted by swimeasy
the problem is in doing so he's proposing to take half measures everywhere, Half measures won't cut it, they won't even put a dent into the problems that already exist...at least not in one term...probably not even two.
I mean it's absurd to call the guy who created the basis for Obama's national health care plan a conservative extremist...it is just stupid...but people who don't pay attention believe it and get scared.
plus conservatism doesn't even mean the same thing it used to mean 30-40 years ago, to society Conservatism now means bible thumping social nut jobs, I don't want that kind of conservative, I want limited government conservatives...where are they? do they even exist anymore? -
10-01-2012, 04:55 PMJPizzack
I don't understand what you mean by student health insurance?
I apologize in advance, because alot of what you said is slightly above my head in respect to healthcare. I'm not an expert sadly. I know what i have, i know the cost, i know it's good coverage (besides vision and dental which suck major ***), but I just don't know enough about everything in it's entirety. Sorry I cant contribute. And sorry I come across as an ad =P -
10-01-2012, 05:01 PMJPizzackI understand your point, and like i said earlier, it's difficult for me to walk the line of political view vs. not insulting people.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavenIII
It's not even the whole "hates the poor people" thing....i know thats exagerated....
HOWEVER, like you said about how society defines conservativism, that's actually a big deal to me. And i know people don't want to hear that, because you will think that I'm ignoring platform to focus more on his social views....but, that's just how I feel, and it's very hard for me to ignore. -
10-01-2012, 05:04 PMJPizzack
Gotta run guys........you can preach to me later ;)
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10-01-2012, 05:06 PMDavenIIII'm not sure you understand what I meant there, my point was when "I" say conservative (and morehead too probably) we do not mean what you think we mean if you believe the current idea of what "conservative" is, truthfully? real conservatives are the most hard core about keeping religion OUT of politics, I bet you didn't know that did you? Conservatives are about keeping government completely out of your social life....Quote:
Originally Posted by JPizzack
the problem is "real" conservatives do not exist anywhere anymore...
The conservatism you know about? well Romney isn't that either...so don't worry, Romney is a moderate...there is no real or fake conservatism in him. -
10-01-2012, 05:16 PMMorehead StateI disagree Daven. Romney is a fiscal conservative. that's what I care about. He is a social moderate and that's fine with me too.Quote:
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10-01-2012, 06:00 PMbyron
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10-01-2012, 06:04 PMswimeasyIMO, I agree with Morehead. He's a moderate (Although his fiscal plan is very similar to the conservative Ryan proposed draft, except it also includes the repeal of Obamacare and restoration of the Medicare cuts taken by Obamacare- and I am already personally experiencing the impact of those cuts as I have Power of Attorney for my 91 yr old Mom who had a house call last week by a physician who was subcontracted by the government even though she has had the same primary physician for 30 years and I am now in a "debate" over the coverage of some of her medications for active conditions.) Romney's taxation policies are also conservative and he has a record of budget neutrality and debt reduction. Nice to see that Morehead can personally validate that from his time as govenor.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavenIII
The country has always been basically center-right, with the "right" being more focused on fiscal rather than social conservatism. I only see him appealing to moderate Dems as both parties have become more partisan. The majority of Americans do want bipartisanship, although the 2010 election was more trying to slow down the runaway train and spending that was the first two years of this administration with control of Congress as well. Bottom line is, we must stop the hemorrhaging first and foremost and it's vitally important that conservatives turn out.
PS, I actually strongly support separation of church and state and the constitution and I'm an Independent. Naturally, that would mean I embrace states rights and the government closest to the people governs best because they are in a better position to understand the issues of the electorate and maintain a relevant dialogue with their constituency. From what I've read the overwhelming majority of Americans are concerned about government intrusion. -
10-01-2012, 06:53 PMswimeasyNo worries Pizz. I am an eternal student of football on a never ending severe learning curve and most here are so helpful with answering my questions and I always appreciate that. And I may have come across more harsh than I intended so my apologies to you as well. The negative ads this year are nothing like I've ever seen before and I'm pretty sick of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPizzack
The following may help. The main college discussed is within walking distance to me. Guilford College is a Quaker school which honors the Quaker tradition of decisions through consensus. There are also other links that may be of interest embedded in this piece.
"Health Insurance Costs Skyrocket For College Students Due To ObamaCare
"http://cnsnews.com/blog/ron-meyer/health-insurance-costs-skyrocket-college-students-due-obamacare