THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

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Originally Posted by Imgrate

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUsUoMIHZc

speaking of seeing what you want to see, please try and count 6

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If that video worked I'm sure I could count 10, but I could point out 6 that even you wouldn't be able to dispute.

Edit: ok I found it on youtube myself using the description I will look through it and note each int for you ok? I'll come back later with a report.

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Originally Posted by DavenIII

They were good when they caught the ball no doubt, they got open no doubt...but they didn't know the audibles, they couldn't read the defense the way Eli could...so when Eli saw Blitz and they were supposed to also see blitz and change their routes accordingly .... they did not do it Morehead...now they do it, the recognize defenses last year and this year...before that they didn't so many many many times they ran the wrong routes causing Eli to throw where they were supposed to be...but they were not there....creating in my opinion, the MAJORITY of Eli's int's in 2010...not him throwing into triple coverage...not him making mistakes...it was the receivers making mistakes.

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your entire "eli improvement" argument hinges on him throwing too many Int's in 2010...but I'm sorry, those int's are not on him...some are yes...but the majority of his int's in 2010 were not his fault....and they weren't "not his fault" like so many other QB's in the NFL....no he was dealing with rookies who simply did not know what they were doing yet...they had physical ability but they were not their yet...they got there in 2011 and are here now...that's why Eli is doing better..not because of tweaks he made to his game...but because his receivers have blossomed.

I've always thought Eli was great you know that...I'd love to attribute his recent statistical success to improvements he made but it just doesn't make any sense to....and frankly, it's common sense that it's not him but his receivers that are the major factor.

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I'm sorry Daven but thats pure nonsense. This notion that our WR's were making the wrong moves all year and Eli was always right is a crock.
Two perfect examples:
In SF, Manningham broke into the open and Eli threw it where MM would have had to turn into coverage. the ball was picked.
In GB, Nicks did the same thing, he broke downfield away from coverage and Eli threw it into a group of three defenders. Both were rushed throws where Eli made the completely wrong read. These were examples of Eli's tendency to make paniced throws in 2010. The WR's made the right plays, and both those plays should have been successful.

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Originally Posted by DavenIII

you should have seen that as well in 2010...because it was there then, the problem in 2010 is that his troops didn't know their shields from their swords, they made due with their physical attributes and STILL did well, but in 2011 and now they've been through training, and now have both their physical attributes PLUS their knowledge of the game.

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Ineresting. Since in 2011 they had no mini camps or training camps for the WR's to "learn how to play football"
No sir....This was a determined effort by Eli to improve his play. I'm giving him credit for doing it. You are obviously an Eli hater who thinks he can't get better.

Eli's desire to become a better football player and be the best he can be is a well known fact....Now he certainly didn't take a break from that between 2010 and 2011....The reasonable thinking here is that he is continually trying to improve his game ....Saying that there was no change in his game between 10 and 11 is like saying he was the best he could ever be in 2010.....I don't by that for an instant.....And the same goes for the wr's those that work hard will improve their game.... at least on the mental side of it.....smart hard working players become the cream of the crop if not the great players of the league.....jmho......So I look at it like this Eli along with the wr's improved their game in 2011.....

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Originally Posted by Morehead State

Personally, I don't think Eli's accuracy improved that much at all. To me the knocks on Eli's accuracy early on were way overblown. I think his accuracy has been consistently good for several years. (with the exception of his tendency to get hyped up early in game in 2010 and make a few high throws)

His pocket presence and especially his calmness in the pocket is what got dramatically better in 2011. That seems to have continued this season as well.

You said that "I see what I want to see" with Eli. What I wanted to see from Eli was a calm, confident field general last year and thats exactly what I got.

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thats a complete 180 of what u use to knock him for

Tips that should have been caught = #1/2/3/25---QTY - 4
Bad passes, just bad Eli's fault = #4/6/7/8/11/13/14/16/18/19/22/23/24---QTY - 13
Questionable Passes 50/50 fault = #5//9/10---QTY - 3
Great defensive play = #20---QTY - 1
Mistaken routes = #12/21---QTY - 2
Not enough information (one quick reply couldn't see angles) = #15/17---QTY - 2

Ok Lawl I was wrong on route confusing causing the interceptions. (See I can be objective still :p)

That said I still stand by my opinion, the Receivers are the ones who made HUGE strides from 2010 to 2011 not Eli, Eli got better as he does every year but I think he's been getting better in a consistent way since he was drafted...I don't think he made any sort of major "leap" in the 2010-2011 seasons.

After watching the video I put 17 maybe 18 of those interceptions on Eli....still 31/18 isn't a terrible ratio...I doubt there would be complaints with that.

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Originally Posted by Morehead State

Ineresting. Since in 2011 they had no mini camps or training camps for the WR's to "learn how to play football"
No sir....This was a determined effort by Eli to improve his play. I'm giving him credit for doing it. You are obviously an Eli hater who thinks he can't get better.

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I'm almost certain I heard a story that year about how Eli was holding a camp or something for the receivers to practice with him in the 2010-2011 off season/mini-camp time frame...so whether it was a sanctioned mini camp or not they practiced with Eli and developed a better connection and a better understanding of the game.

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Originally Posted by DavenIII

I'm almost certain I heard a story that year about how Eli was holding a camp or something for the receivers to practice with him in the 2010-2011 off season/mini-camp time frame...so whether it was a sanctioned mini camp or not they practiced with Eli and developed a better connection and a better understanding of the game.

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Keep telling yourself that Eli didn't improve tremendously from 2010 to 2011. The objective facts suggest otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Morehead State

Keep telling yourself that Eli didn't improve tremendously from 2010 to 2011. The objective facts suggest otherwise.

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He improved, his "young" receivers Improved more, that's the objective answer.

your view is tinted, you want to make your previous hate of Eli during the 2010 season and earlier...worthwhile, the fact is, you hated Eli (even when he was a good/great QB) he didn't all the sudden become great in 2011 he was already great his receivers learned the game....as is expected from "second" year receivers.

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Originally Posted by DavenIII

He improved, his "young" receivers Improved more, that's the objective answer.

your view is tinted, you want to make your previous hate of Eli during the 2010 season and earlier...worthwhile, the fact is, you hated Eli (even when he was a good/great QB) he didn't all the sudden become great in 2011 he was already great his receivers learned the game....as is expected from "second" year receivers.

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The only complaining you ever heard from me was after the 2010 season. This "Morehead hates Eli" crap is just that. My problem was much more with the oppressive Eli Cultists than Eli.
You have no friggin idea what you're talking about.
I don't want to get into how this all started because I'd be typing for a while. But the "anti Eli" thing is a bunch of crap from my perspective.