it is very common in the NFL
Originally Posted by Hooligans
less common than it was say 10 or 15 years ago.....but still quite common
Bill Walsh was widely known for this ......and sticking to it always
and Gilbride does do this ....but does not always stick to it
a couple articles on the topic
We got two superbowls under him. I'm fine with him. I would like to see him use the run, run, and then pass a little less...
Originally Posted by sheepdip
I asked 2 legitimate questions that have not been answered in detail by anyone that I recall.
Originally Posted by Mercury
(BTW, it is pretty difficult to "puts words in someone's mouth" by asking a question)
I am not beyond completely changing my opinion if presented with all the facts.
It's not about loving him, it's about realizing that the system puts so much responsibility on the players. Sometimes, this is called for. Sometimes, it isn't.
Example: when you have a 100% healthy Hakeem Nicks, and he's practicing every day with Eli, and their timing is more effective than a clock -- yeah, put it all on Eli. But when Nicks isn't healthy, and isn't practicing, and he isn't dominating corners, don't dial up calls that require timing -- such as a back-shoulder throw, or endzone fade route. Those plays are lethal when the duo is clicking, but it's frustrating when it isn't.
But there are aspects of Gilbride's coaching that I defend which depicts me as a Gilbride "lover" (which believe me, I'm not, I watch games in frustration like the rest of you).
Example: 3rd and 20, shotgun draw. People think that is the worst possible call, but strategically, it's the right call and it's frequently made in the NFL. Converting a 3rd and 20 is such a long shot, that the additional yards (especially with an astounding punter) is the best move to make in that situation rather than risking an interception, sack-strip, WR deflection in congested zones, etc. There's also the possibility you catch your opponent off guard and convert it. Is it a good call on 3rd and 8? Only when it works, but mostly not. Nonetheless, people seem to think that a play like that alone is firing-worthy -- it's not!
The shotgun draw on 3rd and 1 is predictable, but that means nothing. If any defense gears up to stop it, Eli will just burn them over the top. The predictability means absolutely nothing, and the fact that they spread the field only displays a lack in confidence with the OL. We can't line up, hat on a hat, and just overpower a team for one yard, we need to get them in a nickel defense and hopefully create a crease for the back to get through.
i didn't think kg ever did it. I remember reading of kg and Eli discussing how kg will take the first series or two to see what the defenses will be doing and that he will call vanilla plays. I think it's part of the reason why Asante Samuel has three first pass attempt of the game ints on Eli. I will say this, on the rare occasion we score on our opening drive, it did seem like the tempo was quicker and seemed more effective than usual like he really did script it but I don't know for sure bc I have only read of state he doesn't script the first couple drives. And I hate that bc we almost never score on our first drive. It's why IMO TC receives if he can bc he understands the offense needs a series or two before things get going and if w defer and concede an opening score,wed be in danger of falling behind by two or more scores early.
Originally Posted by YATittle1962
KILLDRIVE NEEDS TO GO NOW!
TIRED OF HIM MESSIN UP MY TEAM MAN. MIGHT BE A JETS FAN IF HE KEEP THIS UP.
Nobody's stopping you. In fact, I insist. Go be a (perennially miserable, oxygen-wasting) Jets fan.
Originally Posted by ChrisChris
you obviously didn't read the articles I just posted
Originally Posted by giantsfan420
and yes Gilbride has always done it
You just couldn't help yourself...
Originally Posted by gmen46
I'm praying that some team takes Gilbride off our hands, and the past 2 games are a big reason why.
People say "Gilbride can't catch the ball, make the block, etc., etc.".......and I agree, sometimes, these players make Gilbride look bad.
But then again, the reverse is true......there have been many occasions when Eli will throw up a gorgeous deep ball that Nicks and Cruz pull down for a huge gain.
In Super Bowl 42 and 46, it came down to Eli running a superb 2 minute drill to win both games.
Last weekend was a perfect example of why I think a change is needed. The Giants finally seemed to have a heartbeart after Wilson ripped off a sweet TD run. The score at the time was 14-7.
So, what do the Giants do?.......instead of going back to the well, and playing the hot hand, they stick Wilson back on the bench to cool off, and turn back to Bradhshaw, who was clearly not healthy enough to contribute. Bradshaw's blocking v. the Falcons was worse than anything I saw this entire season from Wilson.
I really think I've seen everything I'm going to see from Gilbride. I don't expect his approach to change....I don't expect to see any game-time adjustments, or new plays.
Games fall into one of several categories:
1) Eli is on, and makes Gilbride look like a genius.....and I'll admit, Gilbride's scheme works great when Eli is playing lights-out.
2) Eli struggles, and Gilbride does nothing to bail him out.
I can't remember the last play-action, the last reverse, the last flea-flicker, the last time they went no-huddle to trap an opponent's defense in an unfavorable personnel package.
Gilbride has spent too many seasons placing all his eggs in Eli's basket.