We're not keeping Cruz, no way.

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Originally Posted by RoanokeFan

That doesn't make sense.

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Um...yeah....

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Originally Posted by RoanokeFan

Seriously, if that's their plan, they may as well just agree to terms for a long term contract as they are admitting his worth with that strategy and purposely screwing with him. That would surprise me.

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Just pointing out that the Giants have the leverage really. I hope they signed both long term...

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Originally Posted by PRGiant

Just pointing out that the Giants have the leverage really. I hope they signed both long term...

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How can you possibly state with any certainty who has the leverage in these negotiations? We don't know how much Cruz is willing to play for another team and we don't know what team is willing to give Cruz the world and give up a first rounder to have Cruz join their franchise. I don't think this is a negotiation where the Giants FO holds the cards. I would love to sit in this negotiation. I love this stuff. This is just like finance. JR may have the best job in the world.

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Originally Posted by B&RWarrior

How can you possibly state with any certainty who has the leverage in these negotiations? We don't know how much Cruz is willing to play for another team and we don't know what team is willing to give Cruz the world and give up a first rounder to have Cruz join their franchise. I don't think this is a negotiation where the Giants FO holds the cards. I would love to sit in this negotiation. I love this stuff. This is just like finance. JR may have the best job in the world.

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They "hold the cards" because of the ability to place a first round tender. BUT, as with Ballard, plans can backfire and another team can take him away by giving up a first round pick. Were that to happen, the Giants wouldn't be able to match the offer.

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Originally Posted by RoanokeFan

They "hold the cards" because of the ability to place a first round tender. BUT, as with Ballard, plans can backfire and another team can take him away by giving up a first round pick. Were that to happen, the Giants wouldn't be able to match the offer.

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Yeah RF that was my point, another team takes our leverage away by being willing to part with a first rounder.

Are you saying that if they give us the first rounder we won't even have a chance to match their contract offer? We can't make a higher counter offer?

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Originally Posted by B&RWarrior

Yeah RF that was my point, another team takes our leverage away by being willing to part with a first rounder. Are you saying that if they give us the first rounder we won't even have a chance to match their contract offer? We can't make a higher counter offer?

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They CAN match I say they won't

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Originally Posted by B&RWarrior

Yeah RF that was my point, another team takes our leverage away by being willing to part with a first rounder.

Are you saying that if they give us the first rounder we won't even have a chance to match their contract offer? We can't make a higher counter offer?

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With a tender you don't have to make a higher counter-offer, you can either choose to match the contract or let them walk. I think the decision depends on the contract offered.

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Originally Posted by brad

With a tender you don't have to make a higher counter-offer, you can either choose to match the contract or let them walk. I think the decision depends on the contract offered.

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John Mara has already made it clear they "won't break the bank" for Cruz. That tells me they likely won't match an offer.

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Originally Posted by brad

With a tender you don't have to make a higher counter-offer, you can either choose to match the contract or let them walk. I think the decision depends on the contract offered.

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By higher, I meant higher than our previous offer. I'm pretty certain Cruz would pick the Giants given equal offers.

I want a ceiling put on the money spent on Cruz based on the money we will offer Nicks. Even with the injuries he was clutch in some games just as a possession receiver, and when he's healthy I've only seen 2 CBs (Revis and Asante) that can stay with him one on one. Cruz is a really good slot receiver, but Nicks is special when healthy.

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Originally Posted by B&RWarrior

By higher, I meant higher than our previous offer. I'm pretty certain Cruz would pick the Giants given equal offers.

I want a ceiling put on the money spent on Cruz based on the money we will offer Nicks. Even with the injuries he was clutch in some games just as a possession receiver, and when he's healthy I've only seen 2 CBs (Revis and Asante) that can stay with him one on one. Cruz is a really good slot receiver, but Nicks is special when healthy.

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Valid question... but once tendered Cruz doesn't have an option if the Giants decide to match, Giants have the first right of refusal. But, your point is well made... we are basically saying the same thing :)