Not disrespecting the Steelers but they didn't even make the playoffs one single time for their first 40 years. They were consistent cellar-dwellers for decades.
That title has to go to the Packers (13 championships, multiple dynasties, last team to win 3 in a row)... Bears and Giants belong in the conversation. All of those 3 have been competitive in almost every era. Pittsburgh belongs in the SB era conversation but even their success is contained in 2 of 5 SB decades.
MULTIPLE DYNASTIES? HA! The only way the pack ever had a dynasty is if the bills going to 4 SBs is a dynasty cause that's all they did. Win NFC/ AFC championships. The 2 teams that went to the championship weren't even the actual best teams in the league. It was basically CFB. A bunch of people debating who should go. No playoff system. Why do the NFL championships count but the AFL doesn't? Face it. SBs are the only things that count. The fact that the NFL merged at all means the old ones have no merit. Congratulations pack. You WENT to the SB 9 times.
I'm a giants fan but even I know the old ones are not the same stature as SBs. There wouldn't have been a merge if they did matter.
And no this isnt the same as baseball. There wasn't 2 MLB leagues that merged like the NFL did.
Next you'll tell me is that the lions and browns are better than the steelers, cowboys, and niners. Oh the browns being bad after the merge counts but the packs doesn't?
The steelers actually played the game to get their rings. The pack got lucky cause the boarding room felt bad for them. SBs are harder. The system actually works to make sure the 2 teams left are actually the best. A SB should be worth 10 old ones.
Not taking anything from the players and coaches. That's different.
I don't live in the NY area and for a long time I spent my Sundays in sports bars among fellow football fans. I never liked going to sports bars where just 1 group of fans would hang. The Steeler fans always represented well, and were among the best guys to have a beer and a laugh with. They have a lot in common with the Giants you know:
-Kate Mara, and little sis Rooney
-They hate the Cowboys for the 1996 Superbowl, among other numberous obnoxiouses.
- They dislike the Eagles as cross state rivals, and for making outsiders thing all of the state of Penn is like what you see at an Eagles game.
- The 2 teams owners have been friends for a long time.
- and lastly, Kate Mara. Because it is my post and I get to put her 2x.
Where were the Steelers in the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s? Certainly not in the playoffs. But guess what, they were in the league and they were playing. The Steelers were one of the league's worst franchises for their first 40 years.
Since the ABA merged with the NBA, please tell me which NBA titles no longer count. I guess all those Celtics championships get thrown out by your logic.
As for the Bears -- playoff appearences in 60s/70s/90s: 1963, 1977,1979, 1990,1991, 1994
As for the Packers -- playoff appearences in 70s/80s: 1972, 1982
As for the Giants -- playoff appearences in 60/s/70s/90s: Three straight championship games (1961, 1962, 1963), 1990 (Super Bowl win), 1993, 1997 (and Super Bowl loss in 2000)
The Pack does have 13 championships even if you stomp your feet and deny it.
Even the NFL itself acknowledges it on its site -- I'll dig up a link.
Further, there was no AFL until 1960. So how is the NFL supposed to compete with a league that doesn't exist? How can the Giants' 1956 Championship be discounted as an "NFC Championship" when the other league wouldn't even exist for 4 more years? And in fact, the other league would be created because of the 1958 Championship between the Giants and Colts. Do you need a history lesson on that too? (Crib notes version: That game put pro football on the map and people wanted new NFL teams to spread across the country. When the NFL said "no", they started their own league -- the AFL).
By the way, baseball operated the same way until 1969 -- the team with the best standing of each league played the other league's champion in the World Series. So do those old World Series no longer count either?
You said much more completely than I would have, but my answer was essentially the same.
I have to smile when youn g people think the world started when they were born, and history startes there. I remember well in the 50's and 60's, when I first started watching football, that the Steelers were the ultimate cellar dwellars, which made it all the more difficult to take when they absolutely killed YA Tittle in thet '63 (?) game. The classic one where you see him on his knees, his helmet off and blood coming down his face. That was about the worst beating I've ever seen a QB take in my life.
Under the MLB umbrella? Yeah sure old man. So umbrella was the NFL and AFL under? Cute how you somehow think only the AFL merged despite the fact that the Browns and colts were originally NFL before moving to the NFL. So I'm supposed to care that the giants have banners? The patriots have ones for going 16-0( as if that means anything). The packers won a championship by winning 7 games. SEVEN. Cause there was no overtime. They went 7-1-6. Yeah they CLEARLY deserved it. It was clearly harder. The highest records doesn't mean the best team. There's a reason why CFB is changing the system. Cause most regular reasons doesn't mean best team. Notre dame had the most wins. How is one championship game considered a playoff system? Take off the cheesehead old man. I never said that the championships be forgotten. I they aren't SBs. The pack has 4 SBs. Not 13.
Yeah the pack did better than the 9ers, cowboys and steelers despite the fact that the pack played ONE playoff game. Obviously it's easy to win an old championship if theirs 16 teams. One championship game. That's not a playoff system old man. That's a bowl game. You literally just described a college system. I'm sorry if I offended your college system.
Oh the old championships are suddenly harder than SBs. I guess the pack only has 9 championships.
Tell me the browns and lions are better than the steelers, cowboys, and 9ers. I dare you.
I bet you'll tell me Otto graham could beat Joe Montanna.
The AFL represented inferior quality and depth for many years... when the SB started they were finallt deserving, evn if they lost the first 2.. But by '67, with 6 years under their belt, Professional football saw a more even distribution of talent than in their early years. BUT, you must remember that now the depth on teams wasn't nearly as good as in the earlier years when there were fewer teams.