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    its been absolutely brutal. this is going on over...

    its been absolutely brutal. this is going on over half a decade straight of not just the universally typical injuries per team, but of far beyond that into the depths of the worst. hell, in '13...
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    nicely said well written. +1 id agree with this...

    nicely said well written. +1
    id agree with this way more than he is overrated.

    if anything, many of the top analysts and college scouts have been saying his coverage flaws are being way overblown...
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    wow...people are sharing their opinions. how...

    wow...people are sharing their opinions. how pompous can you possibly get?? this place is better w/o the attitude and behavior you display.

    wait for it, here comes the response how everyone else...
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    didnt stray mess up his pecks 2 times?

    didnt stray mess up his pecks 2 times?
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    is there any chance he wont need surgery? that...

    is there any chance he wont need surgery? that would be such a huge break for us but we know, with our injury luck, hes gonna need surgery...
  6. nicely said bud. agree with your points and i...

    nicely said bud. agree with your points and i really liked the last paragraph the more condensed one or whatever it was you tagged it as. the OL and run game have been so bad, for so long now, that...
  7. Why are you of the inaccurate mentality that...

    Why are you of the inaccurate mentality that running the ball negates the RUN and shoot?! KG may have ran the ball a bit more in the playoffs, I'm not sure I haven't looked into the data.

    But I...
  8. def a fair pov. But to Gumby comments, I just...

    def a fair pov. But to Gumby comments, I just disagree I am not saying I think Eli was poor in '10. The opposite, in fact. Which speaks to your comment doode but ultimately even with the run game in...
  9. wow, looks like i was dead wrong. 12th.

    wow, looks like i was dead wrong. 12th.
  10. but thats the thing, the number of times a qb can...

    but thats the thing, the number of times a qb can do well doesnt factor into it. it actually factors in the # of times a throw is there to be made, and whether the qb makes it or fails to...
  11. i was wrong anyways. my bad. his 2010 qb rating...

    i was wrong anyways. my bad. his 2010 qb rating was 1 point less than his 08 rating i think i dont know i think i confused them but my point was that ultimately he was much more efficient in 2008 and...
  12. are you understanding he threw 10 int's in '08...

    are you understanding he threw 10 int's in '08 and 25 in '10? for me, the old rating puts too much stock in yards and tds and not enough in all the other regards.
  13. he threw 10 ints in 08 and 25 in 2010. what the...

    he threw 10 ints in 08 and 25 in 2010. what the heck are you talking about? his rating in '10 was better than 08. see what i mean?

    and '11, in terms of efficiency, which is what the new qb rating...
  14. yeah thats fine if you like the old one. wasnt...

    yeah thats fine if you like the old one. wasnt trying to completely discredit it for eveyrone just i personally dont give it near the stock i do the new one. a big reason, is that the old one, say a...
  15. eli has the stronger arm, the more accurate...

    eli has the stronger arm, the more accurate downfield arm. eli has a quicker release. he can make more outside the hash throws than rivers can, who is somewhat restricted on what he can and when he...
  16. when did he seem skittish or that he was forcing...

    when did he seem skittish or that he was forcing his throws last year? at least to the point that it was worse than any other of the top qb's? the sf game? only 1 i can think of really where he...
  17. pretty much. nicely summarized too, didnt take...

    pretty much. nicely summarized too, didnt take you 5 pages like it would have for me.

    we had a sb era bad situation with our interior. keep in mind, beatty and pugh started every week in '13. yet,...
  18. "Someone doesnt think ben is #2?!? That signals...

    "Someone doesnt think ben is #2?!? That signals to me, I must start acting like a pompous jerk off! How dare anyone not agree with every piece of journalistic analysis presented!"


    "Then, if that...
  19. and fwiw, ELi was 6th in the efficiency QB rating...

    and fwiw, ELi was 6th in the efficiency QB rating metric, and was 4th most of the season. QB rating, the old one, is more a reflection of the entire offense's performance moreso than the qb and in...
  20. in '12, another "terrible year" according to...

    in '12, another "terrible year" according to some, he had 28 tds iirc may have been 26, 15 ints, 3992 yards or something and a 91 rating iirc.

    what happened, the last half of '12, the OL just...
  21. another really good point. what you highlight...

    another really good point.

    what you highlight was one of my biggest complaints over the years. when you look at all the qb's who are considered "elite", 99% of the time, they had functioning if...
  22. really good point about '13. We were having to...

    really good point about '13. We were having to deal with so many injuries on the interior and the quality of play plummeted imo. and thats why, to your point, i feel defenses used that double A gap...
  23. lmao dude you are unreal. what reality are you...

    lmao dude you are unreal. what reality are you in???

    I made a comment, had a football discussion with ntegrase going, you came in, took me discussing ben not being the #3 qb based on last year as...
  24. see this is a topic i think is so vague and has...

    see this is a topic i think is so vague and has so many different interpretations.

    its tough because i think we often see "pressure" as 1 size fit all, meaning pressure is pressure. But, really...
  25. i really do too. i think the OL, like the past...

    i really do too. i think the OL, like the past however many years, is going to make or break us. i think this is the year they "make us". I think we're going to see sort of a similar result that...
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