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  1. back to my point, he doesn't really want to be a...

    back to my point, he doesn't really want to be a Giant.

    He will if we give him the biggest contract he can get in the NFL, but its clear that the assumption so many Giants fans have made, that...
  2. I think his hand is much worse than most of us...

    I think his hand is much worse than most of us think it is and I think JPP prefers all the uneducated speculation rather than someone seeing his hand and saying he's out until Oct.

    He thinks if he...
  3. Until you see his hand, pulling the tag and...

    Until you see his hand, pulling the tag and letting him walk are stupid ideas.

    Fans may question his value but this team offered him $60 mill over 5 years.

    Clearly, the FO and coaching staff...
  4. i don't think he's getting bad advice. i don't...

    i don't think he's getting bad advice.

    i don't believe he wants to be a Giant, i think all of this is intentional, and i think he may get his wish depending on how the season plays out.
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    Someone just suggested front loading Eli's...

    Someone just suggested front loading Eli's extension and use the $14m that.

    not the worst idea i've heard.
  6. we used a non-exclusive tag on JPP: A...

    we used a non-exclusive tag on JPP:

    A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five cap hits at the player's position...
  7. not the worst idea in the world actually.

    not the worst idea in the world actually.
  8. hope you're right and i'm wrong.

    hope you're right and i'm wrong.
  9. sounds like he failed the physical in May.

    sounds like he failed the physical in May.
  10. with the tag we put on him, his agent was allowed...

    with the tag we put on him, his agent was allowed to talk to other teams for a period of time.

    i think some team out there really wowed them with both an offer and some kind of other pitch.
    ...
  11. still a tough situation. we probably have a...

    still a tough situation.

    we probably have a better chance for cuts from camp.

    even if long passes a physical, if you give him most/all of the camp and pre season snaps and he goes down in week...
  12. +1 unless his intention is to not play under...

    +1

    unless his intention is to not play under the tag, and not take any hometown discount on a long term deal.

    If his goal is biggest contract or just sit out, which is what i think his strategy...
  13. If he can pass a physical i imagine he's an...

    If he can pass a physical i imagine he's an improvement over Flowers and Newhouse.

    Trouble is the number of snaps that Pugh Newhouse or Flowers can take in the position may be critical to some...
  14. i read that somewhere too, but think about it for...

    i read that somewhere too, but think about it for a sec:

    If he can pass a physical they can't put him on an NFI, not pay him, not take a cap hit, and keep his rights.

    If he passes a physical...
  15. Meh. They have that same relief to sign Prince...

    Meh.

    They have that same relief to sign Prince and Eli as of March too. I don't think Eli's going to get all bunched up if he signs in march, and most of those contracts either provide cap relief...
  16. unless i'm wrong, the cap hit is only in effect...

    unless i'm wrong, the cap hit is only in effect as long as the tag is out there, i believe they get pro-rated money back if, let's say, the pull the tag 2 games in.

    Now, if i'm wrong, and there's...
  17. Tough pill to swallow, isn't it? it explains...

    Tough pill to swallow, isn't it?

    it explains why he's doing what he's doing.

    Morehead is right. This isn't a stupid strategy at all.

    It's a gamble, but its not stupid.
  18. who do they spend that $14m on instead of JPP? ...

    who do they spend that $14m on instead of JPP? There's nobody to spend that money on.

    Think like an owner. Cap money is not real money. if JPP doesn't play, they don't actually pay him...
  19. I think that's what JPP is banking on. I...

    I think that's what JPP is banking on.

    I honestly believe he doesn't want to play at all under a tag, and he doesn't really want to play for the Giants.

    I think he'd rather sit this season out,...
  20. they're probably thinking the amount of snapes...

    they're probably thinking the amount of snapes betweeen OTAs and the 1st game of the season means more to Flowers than it does Pugh.

    Sure, if you think there's no way Flowers can be ready this...
  21. third option is JPP doesn't sign the tag, Giants...

    third option is JPP doesn't sign the tag, Giants don't pay him, but still take the cap hit to retain his rights.
  22. If i'm the Giants, i'm not getting the feeling...

    If i'm the Giants, i'm not getting the feeling that JPP wants to play here.

    If he doesn't want to play here, we'll eventually let him go with no compensation like any FA.

    What if a DE, safety,...
  23. i tend to agree with your view on this, i just...

    i tend to agree with your view on this, i just don't think it will work.

    Maybe JPP was never going to play under the franchise tag. We all assumed he would eventually sign a long term deal or at...
  24. The way i see it if Flowers and Pugh both suck at...

    The way i see it if Flowers and Pugh both suck at LT it really doesn't matter who gets first crack at it. But who of the two potentially can make the move with less practice and snaps? Probably...
  25. +1

    +1
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