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  1. [QUOTE=CGYgiant;1810139] Fair enough, he is a...

    Fair enough, he is a very good player, he will be tested by a few very good QB/WR tandems early in the season
  2. [QUOTE=CGYgiant;1810132] All I am saying is...

    All I am saying is yes, the QB is a factor, are saying the QB doesn't matter?
  3. [QUOTE=CGYgiant;1810120]Josh Norman against top...

    [QUOTE=CGYgiant;1810120]Josh Norman against top receivers:

    –Held DeAndre Hopkins to 2 catches for 24 yards on 7 targets

    –Held Vincent Jackson to 2 catches for 31 yards on 6 targets, picking off...
  4. The 85 Bears and their 46 defense were unreal. I...

    The 85 Bears and their 46 defense were unreal. I am curious how people think the 86 Giants compare talent wise
  5. Do you think the difference was talent, scheme,...

    Do you think the difference was talent, scheme, or both?
  6. Stop it. You don't have to like Eli, but be...

    Stop it. You don't have to like Eli, but be fair. Eli has had his share of bad moments, but he has also had plenty of great ones. Invest some time watching the 2011 season and playoffs, Eli played...
  7. You act like the Giants have never won with Eli

    You act like the Giants have never won with Eli
  8. You have mentioned the Samual play a few times....

    You have mentioned the Samual play a few times. Why dwell on an "almost INT"? How many "almost plays" happen each game? Joe Montana was almost picked just before he threw a TD to beat the Bengals in...
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    I couldn't agree more.

    I couldn't agree more.
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    I am a big fan of Eli, so I am happy when he...

    I am a big fan of Eli, so I am happy when he plays well and the Giants win. My point about stats is that they go beyond the performance of any one player
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    So SB wins are team related, but the other stats...

    So SB wins are team related, but the other stats you note have nothing to do with the team, system, environment, etc?
  12. Just as responsible as any other QB on a TD pass

    Just as responsible as any other QB on a TD pass
  13. I'm an Eli fan, but I'm not going to even attempt...

    I'm an Eli fan, but I'm not going to even attempt to say Eli is more talented than Luck. But, you got on someone earlier about knowing the lotto numbers, same applies here, Luck on those Giants teams...
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    [QUOTE=tdawg1413;1601096]Please he had enough...

    [QUOTE=tdawg1413;1601096]Please he had enough time to get rid of it and as a 12 year vet he has to feel that rush. I swear I am not an Eli hater but the excuses made for his play are just...
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    He had every right to speak his mind, no...

    He had every right to speak his mind, no question. But as a teammate to a young QB, he didn't have to undermine Eli the way he did. I guess tiki as a young player didn't make mistakes, like miss a...
  16. No question Eli lags behind in some stat...

    No question Eli lags behind in some stat categories to the QBs you mentioned, but not all. Where does he fall with respect to TDs and yardage? And since all stats are a related to team/system,...
  17. Good to see you are on the mend

    Good to see you are on the mend
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    You've named some good players on offense, but...

    You've named some good players on offense, but not exactly pro bowl players. I could be wrong but the only pro bowler in 2007 was Osi, and in 2011 it was JPP and Eli. Of course I'm not saying Eli...
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    Free pass? By who? Coaches? Media? Fans? Fair...

    Free pass? By who? Coaches? Media? Fans?

    Fair point about the INTs. But, please name the pro bowl cast that surrounded Eli in 2007 and 2011?
  20. Best of luck with your recovery

    Best of luck with your recovery
  21. Best of luck to you!

    Best of luck to you!
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    You are kidding, right? Wish I could sit down...

    You are kidding, right? Wish I could sit down with you and watch the 2007 and 2011 playoff games and you could show me where Eli was "free loading"
  23. Cannot say I was a huge fan of that style of...

    Cannot say I was a huge fan of that style of offense, but it is hard to argue with the success they achieved. When that offense was rolling, they were pretty damn good.
  24. I will have to listen to KG's comments again, but...

    I will have to listen to KG's comments again, but as I recall it sounded like he fully expected Eli to make that throw to Tyree. Even when Ohara expressed concern about it being down the middle KG...
  25. Exactly!!!

    Exactly!!!
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