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    PFF had us as the 24th run block and 32 pass...

    PFF had us as the 24th run block and 32 pass block in '11, in '13 they had us 20th pass block and 31 run block, with 4th worst penalties.

    DD was equally bad in both years, but in '13, he missed 5...
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    show me 1 metric that shows '13 was a better OL...

    show me 1 metric that shows '13 was a better OL than '11. you can't. i know because the numbers have been posted on here repeatedly as well as my own research into the matter.

    we matter of factly...
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    '13 was the culmination of a regression by the OL...

    '13 was the culmination of a regression by the OL that started around the 09/'10 season. it got worse and worse. '14 was in the right direction but still had a bad run game and the pass game was...
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    this is just not true. not by any metric or stat...

    this is just not true. not by any metric or stat or eye test etc.

    i always used to cite this; bad isnt a one size fit all term. there are varying degrees of bad. yes the '11 OL was bad. but they...
  5. we just need the remaining core players to not...

    we just need the remaining core players to not get hurt, cruz especially. id be ecstatic if he had a Macclin like year after injury. but we prob wont NEED that because of ODB, a cruz who can stay on...
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    i dont want to go that far, but i do find it...

    i dont want to go that far, but i do find it amusing how some believe that our SB teams were the epitome of stacked teams with all start talent everywhere. like our D and run game were so excellent...
  7. usually im the optimistic one but i cant be in...

    usually im the optimistic one but i cant be in this case. i admire those who can but i cant. i look at the last half a decade and see mediocre (at best) OL play. we lost beatty our LT, the most...
  8. if you look at eli in college, he actually ran a...

    if you look at eli in college, he actually ran a lot of 3 step drop type plays (out of shotgun and under center). he had very good footwork as well. you could even see it on field his rookie year...
  9. kevin gilbride has made me eat a lot of crow and...

    kevin gilbride has made me eat a lot of crow and i think i even deserve another helping. what a brilliant offensive mind he had. he approached it from so many different levels. he is probably a think...
  10. but i believe eli will produce at an even higher...

    but i believe eli will produce at an even higher rate and increase productivity where the other 2 will start to see theirs decline. i attribute that to scheme tho moreso than individual talent. this...
  11. see its an interesting dynamic for me. on 1 hand,...

    see its an interesting dynamic for me. on 1 hand, he sat 2 seasons where ben and eli started (well sans the first 8 games was it of elis rookie year?) so that would obviously stifle his production...
  12. wilson made comments about the game being too...

    wilson made comments about the game being too fast when he first came on.

    AW himself said his issue was with the speed of the game.

    besides, the claim was made any other RB aside from AW would...
  13. says no rb making the transition from ncaa to nfl...

    says no rb making the transition from ncaa to nfl ever...

    in all seriousness you almost hear every single rb discuss how the speed was much faster coming into the league and needed to slow down....
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    why would it matter any rb aside from AW would...

    why would it matter any rb aside from AW would have ran for more than 5.0 ypc behind last years OL at least that was your position yesterday. wouldnt it be bad then if we had new guys at every spot?
  15. that first paragraph summed up so many comments...

    that first paragraph summed up so many comments i've made. i couldnt agree more and its why i am extremely confident going into this year. at least with the offense.
  16. yes it was it. look at jennings yardage gained...

    yes it was it. look at jennings yardage gained after being contacted at or behind the LOS. you can post some random number without any citation all you want. If you're under the belief Jennings was...
  17. no you're not at all. slip is being delusional as...

    no you're not at all. slip is being delusional as well as believing Jennings limited success had anything to do with the OL. Jennings was among the best during that span at yards after contact bc...
  18. yeah i know but a) they seemed to be discussing...

    yeah i know but a) they seemed to be discussing his play this offseason so far and b)when discussing his play in the past it did not seem as if they were labeling him a nickel guy. just that he's a...
  19. ha interesting. and, i think i can speak for...

    ha interesting.

    and, i think i can speak for the rest of us, we really enjoyed your post and hope to see you post more if you ever have the free time to actually do so...hey, slightly off topic...
  20. thanks for the interesting, and well written,...

    thanks for the interesting, and well written, read. great post. and i can definitely understand your point about the index finger and grip. i tried your experiment and you are right the grip can be...
  21. in '13, on the defensive side of the ball, we...

    in '13, on the defensive side of the ball, we were on pace to be the franchises worst defense in their storied history. we trade for beason, and the D did make a huge transformation.

    but on...
  22. we fielded like 32 different interior OL...

    we fielded like 32 different interior OL combinations with guys off the street and 5th and 6th stringers...what are you talking about whatsoever?
  23. i was as big a kiwi supporter as you'd find and...

    i was as big a kiwi supporter as you'd find and even i was seriously questioning how he could have such a prominent role when we had ayers and moore.

    dont overlook ayers. as good as moore might...
  24. denver did a lot of things similar to what you're...

    denver did a lot of things similar to what you're describing fwiw...
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    wont lie, 1 of my fears for this team is seeing...

    wont lie, 1 of my fears for this team is seeing eli make a jake delhomme like plummet to end his career. i dont believe it will happen, but it worries me bc lets be honest, his play dipped badly in...
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