Asian giant for HC

[zimonami]

[quote user="bansaw"]anyone see that Larry King with Chavez tonight?

lol, am I nuts for kinda liking the guy?
[/quote]</P>


He's awild hairwho speaks his mind, and says things about the US that others agree with, but are too afraid to say. The US has believed, since WWII, thatwe are the world's policeman, judge, and jury. We know what's best for other countries not practicing democracy. It's gotten us too involved in foreign affairs, ala Viet Nam and Iraq, not to mentionless publicizedinvolvement inCentral America, Afghanistan when they were battling the Rushkies, Yugoslavia, etc. </P>


The intentions are always, theorectically, honorable. But, we bite off more than we can chew and the military cost, at the expense of self improvement, like investment in education, etc. is debilitating, and will bury us.</P>

[giantyankee1976]

[quote user="zimonami"]

... You too will be 63 in the blink of an eye[/quote]



[:O]


I'll be 34 this March....


Chavez is a nut....as far as being "world police" goes, at the end of WWII, much of Europe was in chaos and we funded many of those nations with money and businesses so that their economies would jump-start to life.

Since then, we left the threat of Isolationism, endured the Cold War, which was a very real threat, left that and now the "Big Bad Guy" is basically Terrorism.

As a vet, I must say that this kind of 'war' is a very intense one in that for one the "enemy" looks like the "civilian" or "friend".

As for Hugo and others like him, we must remember that no one Nation is perfect or stands as a paragon of perfect society. However if someone threatens the U.S. or her Citizens, and for that matter our Allies???

That cannot go unanswered.

In order to achieve "peace", first you must "war".

My two cents worth.

[bansaw]

[quote user="bansaw"][quote user="AsianGiant"][quote user="bansaw"][quote user="AsianGiant"]

BTW, anyone buying up gold lately? Don't laugh at me, somethings brewing....
[/quote]why what's going on?

China on the verge of not lending the U.S money or something?
[/quote]

Yeah something like that. You know, other countries, China/Japan eventually saying, nahhh no more buying your debt.

Oh yeah, and the endless endless endless printing of our "paper" money....

How's Canada doing?
[/quote]Canada? pretty good other than losing the manufacturing

We have oil, lumber, water, wheat, corn, uranium and <font size="4">our banking system was more or less unscathed by the stringent rules they had that we all complained about for years.</font>
[/quote]http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

[mjg407]

[quote user="giantyankee1976"][quote user="zimonami"]

... You too will be 63 in the blink of an eye[/quote]



[:O]


I'll be 34 this March....


Chavez is a nut....as far as being "world police" goes, at the end of WWII, much of Europe was in chaos and we funded many of those nations with money and businesses so that their economies would jump-start to life.

Since then, we left the threat of Isolationism, endured the Cold War, which was a very real threat, left that and now the "Big Bad Guy" is basically Terrorism.

As a vet, I must say that this kind of 'war' is a very intense one in that for one the "enemy" looks like the "civilian" or "friend".

As for Hugo and others like him, we must remember that no one Nation is perfect or stands as a paragon of perfect society. However if someone threatens the U.S. or her Citizens, and for that matter our Allies???

That cannot go unanswered.

In order to achieve "peace", first you must "war".

My two cents worth.
[/quote]
Well said my friend.

[AsianGiant]

Wow I kinda feel young now just turning 31..... [:P]


Wish it were 21 though.... [:$]



As for the USA policing the world. I'm not a history buff, and I know we are not a perfect nation. But look at what we have been able to provide the world.

1) internet
2) computers
3) innovation in so many other fields
4) the best movie industry in the world
5) the best military toys for males (eventhough at the expense of our enemies)
6) medicine


I just see too many upsides to what the USA has offered.


I'll rather have the USA running the show than Russia or Hugo!!!

[zimonami]

[quote user="AsianGiant"]Wow I kinda feel young now just turning 31..... [:P]


Wish it were 21 though.... [:$]



As for the USA policing the world. I'm not a history buff, and I know we are not a perfect nation. But look at what we have been able to provide the world.

1) internet
2) computers
3) innovation in so many other fields
4) the best movie industry in the world
5) the best military toys for males (eventhough at the expense of our enemies)


I just see too many upsides to what the USA has offered.


I'll rather have the USA running the show than Russia or Hugo!!!




[/quote]</P>


you, and mjg, make excellent and valid points. And, your list of things we have given the world is probably 100 times what is on your list.</P>


We gave eastern Europe their freedom, and loaned many countries money to get back on their feet. Their freedom was quickly relinquished to Russian Communism, and it took 40 more years before they had their real freedom, when the wall came down. Our goal was to see those countries have the same freedoms, and a more democratic society, as we had. Thus, the cold war of acapitalism vs. socialism.</P>


By the way, Poland is the only country that ever repaid their debt to us.</P>


Yes, it is necessary to intercede where people are being repressed. This was, unfortunately,one justification for the United Nations... a toothless, politicaldebate centerfor world politics that has been mostly useless. If they completed their missions, as they were intended, the USA would not have had to stick their nose in other contries business... in the name of freedom.</P>


It's just a big quagmire of politics and differences of opinion. But, other nations don't want us to stick our nose in their business, for the most part. So, we choose to concentrate on those most repressed with either a geographical significance, or a raw materials significance, like oil supplies.</P>


We could debate this on and on. I'm just tired of the needs that people in our own country have, and the black eyes we get around the world in our quest for 'righteousness'. They don't like us, they don't want us, then heck with them and let's concentrate on taking care of ourselves. </P>


Hugo can go pi$$ up a tree, and he'll be the worse for it for turning his back on us, and constantly taunting us. But, he's not alone in his dislike for us... warranted, or not.</P>

[bandwgn86]

[quote user="bansaw"][quote user="bansaw"][quote user="AsianGiant"][quote user="bansaw"][quote user="AsianGiant"]

BTW, anyone buying up gold lately? Don't laugh at me, somethings brewing....
[/quote]why what's going on?

China on the verge of not lending the U.S money or something?
[/quote]

Yeah something like that. You know, other countries, China/Japan eventually saying, nahhh no more buying your debt.

Oh yeah, and the endless endless endless printing of our "paper" money....

How's Canada doing?
[/quote]Canada? pretty good other than losing the manufacturing

We have oil, lumber, water, wheat, corn, uranium and <FONT size=4>our banking system was more or less unscathed by the stringent rules they had that we all complained about for years.</FONT>
[/quote]http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories[/quote]</P>


did you see the article on that page.. </P>


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories</P>

[bansaw]

Great...looks like an Iran confrontation late fall.

expect heating costs to skyrocket just in time for winter

[AsianGiant]

[quote user="zimonami"]

[quote user="AsianGiant"]Wow I kinda feel young now just turning 31..... [:P]


Wish it were 21 though.... [:$]



As for the USA policing the world. I'm not a history buff, and I know we are not a perfect nation. But look at what we have been able to provide the world.

1) internet
2) computers
3) innovation in so many other fields
4) the best movie industry in the world
5) the best military toys for males (eventhough at the expense of our enemies)


I just see too many upsides to what the USA has offered.


I'll rather have the USA running the show than Russia or Hugo!!!




[/quote]</p>


you, and mjg, make excellent and valid points. And, your list of things we have given the world is probably 100 times what is on your list.</p>


We gave eastern Europe their freedom, and loaned many countries money to get back on their feet. Their freedom was quickly relinquished to Russian Communism, and it took 40 more years before they had their real freedom, when the wall came down. Our goal was to see those countries have the same freedoms, and a more democratic society, as we had. Thus, the cold war of acapitalism vs. socialism.</p>


By the way, Poland is the only country that ever repaid their debt to us.</p>


Yes, it is necessary to intercede where people are being repressed. This was, unfortunately,one justification for the United Nations... a toothless, politicaldebate centerfor world politics that has been mostly useless. If they completed their missions, as they were intended, the USA would not have had to stick their nose in other contries business... in the name of freedom.</p>


It's just a big quagmire of politics and differences of opinion. But, other nations don't want us to stick our nose in their business, for the most part. So, we choose to concentrate on those most repressed with either a geographical significance, or a raw materials significance, like oil supplies.</p>


We could debate this on and on. I'm just tired of the needs that people in our own country have, and the black eyes we get around the world in our quest for 'righteousness'. They don't like us, they don't want us, then heck with them and let's concentrate on taking care of ourselves. </p>


Hugo can go pi$$ up a tree, and he'll be the worse for it for turning his back on us, and constantly taunting us. But, he's not alone in his dislike for us... warranted, or not.</p>[/quote]


Well said, I added #6 to the list but for some reason the boards didn't accept it. Anyways, #6 was MEDICINE!! Can't beleive I forgot that. Innovation in medicine, remote robotic surgery....everyone knows to come to the US if you want a high success rate for surgery.


But I agree with what you said, at some point, it doesn't matter how much "freedom" we want other countries to have. Heck if they don't want it, it's none of our business and we need to get the heck out.

Our own country has many needs. Aging infrastructure for one.

How about the decline of manufacturing? Let's bring it back, or find other products to manufacture.

Let's get back to basics and become a PRODUCING nation again. Not just a nation of consuming and importing our food/products.

[AsianGiant]

[quote user="bansaw"]Great...looks like an Iran confrontation late fall.

expect heating costs to skyrocket just in time for winter
[/quote]


It's funny, I was almost ready to question our "intelligence" based on our false reports of WMD in Iraq.
But they even admitted that they have it now! LOL..


Let's think about this.

Bush Admin - Built missile shields based on reports of Iranian advancement in missile/nuclear technology.

Obama Admin - Nope, Iran isn't that far ahead, so let's remove the missiles.

1 week later...

Oops, IAEA says Iran is MUCH further along than we thought!

Sooo......what does that mean? Back to missile shields in Poland and getting Russia angry?