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    Whats your personal Big Board at 32?

    Of the prospects ur expecting to be there or possibly be there

    1) Kendall wright
    2) rebuen randle
    3) luke khuechly
    4) dwayne allen
    5) stephen hill
    6) siltolu
    7) bobbie massie
    8) mike adams
    9) zebrie sanders
    10) casey hayward

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    Re: Whats your personal Big Board at 32?

    there's still a small chance Fleener might be there add him instead of silatolu
    and im good with what you got

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    [quote user="rainierjef"]there's still a small chance Fleener might be there add him instead of silatolu
    and im good with what you got
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    **** that...Add him instead of Heyward and Zebrie Sanders who probably aren't even on the Giants 2nd round board much less their first

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    Re: Whats your personal Big Board at 32?

    [quote user="nevada11"]Of the prospects ur expecting to be there or possibly be there

    1) Kendall wright
    2) rebuen randle
    3) luke khuechly
    4) dwayne allen
    5) stephen hill
    6) siltolu
    7) bobbie massie
    8) mike adams
    9) zebrie sanders
    10) casey hayward[/quote]
    Imo Ranldes a better prospect then wright. Not only does it appear Randle has the better size/speed combo, but he's also way more dynamic after the catch. Imo Wright is a solid player but he benefited greatly from playing in Baylor's spread offense with RGIII slinging him the ball. To be honest I see nothing that special in his game, below average size, above average speed, and average runner with the ball in his hand....I personally grade him out as about a 3rd round talent

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    Re: Whats your personal Big Board at 32?

    [quote user="juice33s"][quote user="nevada11"]Of the prospects ur expecting to be there or possibly be there

    1) Kendall wright
    2) rebuen randle
    3) luke khuechly
    4) dwayne allen
    5) stephen hill
    6) siltolu
    7) bobbie massie
    8) mike adams
    9) zebrie sanders
    10) casey hayward[/quote]
    Imo Ranldes a better prospect then wright.* Not only does it appear Randle has the better size/speed combo, but he's also way more dynamic after the catch. Imo Wright is a solid player but he benefited greatly from playing in Baylor's spread offense with RGIII slinging him the ball.* To be honest I see nothing that special in his game, below average size,* above average speed, and average runner with the ball in his hand....I personally grade him out as about a 3rd round talent
    [/quote]

    to me, whats special to his game is his initial burst. he has great explosiveness off the line and can run by corners. he compensates for his lack of size, arm length, etc. with a great vertical and has decent body control.

    but i can see how he can be unspectacular to some. to me his intermediate route running is extremely overrated and is a below average route runner. this guy was not a security blanket or great possession receiver at baylor imo. but his big play ability gives him a top tier grade in my view

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    Re: Whats your personal Big Board at 32?

    As for the list I'd switch around a few things. I'd remove Allen and insert Fleener

    Not as high on randle as some. I don't see anything spetacular to his game. I don't see game breaking speed, don't see much explosiveness, or much quickness. Seems a little slow-twich out of his breaks at times.

    I think he lacks upside. Most of his big plays in college was because he set people up with double moves/fakes, not because he has elite speed and jump ball ability. Hes made some plays that way but not very often. To me his strengths are finding the holes in the zone, having reliable/good hands, working the middle, and being a solid possession threat. 1 receiver though? Don't see it.

    I don't think he's in the class with the top receivers in this draft in regards to jump ball skills (floyd, blackmon, jeffery) nor quickness/burst out of his cuts. He's just about above average to decent at everything, great at nothing. He was a big play guy tho.. but personally wouldnt draft him until the 2nd round

    Would also remove hayward. An elite zone corner but a little to inconsistent in man and lets receivers get behind him at times. 2nd round prospect imo. If you read zebrie sanders scouting report on cbs you'd think hes a top 5, all-pro potential type of prospect but watching him in games its a whole different story. Not 1st round talent, too damn raw.

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    [quote user="Neverend"]As for the list I'd switch around a few things. I'd remove Allen and insert Fleener Not as high on randle as some. I don't see anything spetacular to his game. I don't see game breaking speed, don't see much explosiveness, or much quickness. Seems a little slow-twich out of his breaks at times. I think he lacks upside. Most of his big plays in college was because he set people up with double moves/fakes, not because he has elite speed and jump ball ability. Hes made some plays that way but not very often. To me his strengths are finding the holes in the zone, having reliable/good hands, working the middle, and being a solid possession threat. 1 receiver though? Don't see it. I don't think he's in the class with the top receivers in this draft in regards to jump ball skills (floyd, blackmon, jeffery) nor quickness/burst out of his cuts. He's just about above average to decent at everything, great at nothing. He was a big play guy tho.. but personally wouldnt draft him until the 2nd round Would also remove hayward. An elite zone corner but a little to inconsistent in man and lets receivers get behind him at times. 2nd round prospect imo. If you read zebrie sanders scouting report on cbs you'd think hes a top 5, all-pro potential type of prospect but watching him in games its a whole different story. Not 1st round talent, too damn raw.[/quote] I coulden't agree more about Rueben Randle.. I've never been that high on him, and he just reminds me to much of DHB for some reason, or even Pierre Garcon, and neither are complete WR's, which is what you try to get when picking in First RD.. I have Sanu, Criner, McNutt, all rated higher then Randle, and see them all being bigger impact WR's in the pros, at least more consistent.. I see Randle as the type that has the occasional big game, but dosen/'t show up more oftent then not...




    My realistic big board at 32 would be this




    1. Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois- Doubt hes there, but if he is, he'd be my top ranked player...




    2. Dwayne Allen TE Clemson- I'm still sold on Allen, and think hes gonna be a Fred Davis type player with a better QB(ELI), and less off field issues...




    3. Devon Still DT Penn St- Tough to believe he might be there, but if he is, very tempting to pair with Linval down the line, with Marv Austin also on board...




    4. Doug Martin RB Boise St- A complete RB who can also Return kicks, and as i've always said, reminds me of the next Ray Rice/MJD back, and with our starting WR's and Bradshaw, we'd have some kinda offensive firepower if everyone stays healthy..




    5. Coby Fleener TE Stanford- Very talented TE, that would make life easier for Cruz and Nicks on the outside..




    6. Peter Konz C Wisconsin- I think he could drop, just becuase of his positon, and if he does, could be tempting, as hes also got the size to be a G and could be very versatile lineman for us, and also open up holes on the inside for our running game..




    7. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan St- I think the Giants are gonna be very high on Worthy, with his upside, and being a positon we really think highly about, and would not be surprised if hes the pick if all these players were somehow still available...




    8. Mahhamed Sanu WR Rutgers




    9. Alshon Jeffery WR S.Carolina




    10. Mike Adams OT Ohio St


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    Re: Whats your personal Big Board at 32?

    [quote user="nycsportzfan"]I coulden't agree more about Rueben Randle.. I've never been that high on him, and he just reminds me to much of DHB for some reason, or even Pierre Garcon, and neither are complete WR's, which is what you try to get when picking in First RD..* I have Sanu, Criner, McNutt, all rated higher then Randle, and see them all being bigger impact WR's in the pros, at least more consistent.. I see Randle as the type that has the occasional big game, but dosen/'t show up more oftent then not[/quote]

    I agree. I don't see him all that much better than sanu, criner, or mcnutt. I can see him being a maclin type receiver in the nfl in regards to production. he obviously doesnt have maclin's speed and quickness coming out but might have a similar career in the nfl. A guy who can sit in holes, work the middle, and occassionally make a big play but for the most part will only average 40-50 receiving yrds per game like maclin

    Anyway for a big board I'll put it like this:

    1) Malcolm Floyd - Ridiculous and no chance at 32, right? But.. I've seen him slipping in mock drafts, often going into the 20s and even as low to houston. If the texans take hightower.... who knows?

    2) Stephen Hill - Hes very raw, but the upside with this man is tremendous

    3) Coby Fleener - Has the skill set to be an elite receiver in the NFL -- both at WR and TE. Polished, explosive, technically refined, has the complete package

    4) Janoris Jenkins - He is as complete and dominant of a cover guy as they come. I see few weaknesses to his game as a cover corner. Should develop into a shut down guy within the first few years of career

    5) Doug Martin - Big fan. His talents and running style gives him a smooth tarnsition into the nfl. reminds me a lot of a legrratte blount/ray rice running style. Just stays so low and runs like a bowling ball

    6) Mohammed Sanu - anyone who thinks this guy wont get separation in the nfl is either a moron or is just speaking out of pure ignorance. hes extremely sharp as a route runner, is smooth and has a nice burst out of his breaks, and has a great savvy getting open. not a vertical receiver by any means but is a crabtree/boldin type prospect to me

    7) David Wilson - Wouldnt hate the pick. hes a great talent. just needs to be more consistent and take what the defense gives him

    8) Andre Branch - really dislike how he got shutdown by fsu's tackles, but has nice upside

    9) dwayne allen - dont know where his stock is right now. but a solid, solid threat. The way he contorts his body with his soft hands reminds me a lot of jermichael finley. very safe prospect to draft and you know what you're getting

    10) alshon jeffery - reports and draft scouts criticize him for lack of separation out of his cuts. but imo, jeffery has absolutely elite body control and ball skills. i think he can compensate for his lack of quickness/technique at the top of his routes with his catching raidus and great box out skills. I see him as a Marques Colston type in the nfl (altho jeffery isnt as good against press cvg and getting open against zone as colston is, but those are areas he can develop)

    Just barely missed the cut:
    hightower (not really sure hes a fit in a 4-3, could shed about 10 pounds)
    worthy, thompson

    Can't see merilus, kuechly, richardson, or still making it to 32

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    Re: Whats your personal Big Board at 32?

    [quote user="Neverend"][quote user="juice33s"][quote user="nevada11"]Of the prospects ur expecting to be there or possibly be there

    1) Kendall wright
    2) rebuen randle
    3) luke khuechly
    4) dwayne allen
    5) stephen hill
    6) siltolu
    7) bobbie massie
    8) mike adams
    9) zebrie sanders
    10) casey hayward[/quote]
    Imo Ranldes a better prospect then wright. Not only does it appear Randle has the better size/speed combo, but he's also way more dynamic after the catch. Imo Wright is a solid player but he benefited greatly from playing in Baylor's spread offense with RGIII slinging him the ball. To be honest I see nothing that special in his game, below average size, above average speed, and average runner with the ball in his hand....I personally grade him out as about a 3rd round talent
    [/quote]

    to me, whats special to his game is his initial burst. he has great explosiveness off the line and can run by corners. he compensates for his lack of size, arm length, etc. with a great vertical and has decent body control.

    but i can see how he can be unspectacular to some. to me his intermediate route running is extremely overrated and is a below average route runner. this guy was not a security blanket or great possession receiver at baylor imo. but his big play ability gives him a top tier grade in my view[/quote]
    How would you rank Randle, Wright and Hill?
    For me I'll go
    Hill- Elite size speed combo who reportedly showed a complete route tree at his pro day while looking quick in and out of his cuts.

    Randle- Has some Hakeem Nicks to him in that he can break tackles and make people miss after the catch. Ran in the 4.3's at his pro day

    Wright- Certainly produced at a very high level, the question is just how much was he responsible for it and not the offense he played in and the QB that through him the ball. IMO will be a nice dependable target at the next level, but will never be a top tier talent....Think Santonio Holmes

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    Re: Whats your personal Big Board at 32?

    [quote user="juice33s"][quote user="Neverend"][quote user="juice33s"][quote user="nevada11"]Of the prospects ur expecting to be there or possibly be there

    1) Kendall wright
    2) rebuen randle
    3) luke khuechly
    4) dwayne allen
    5) stephen hill
    6) siltolu
    7) bobbie massie
    8) mike adams
    9) zebrie sanders
    10) casey hayward[/quote]
    Imo Ranldes a better prospect then wright.* Not only does it appear Randle has the better size/speed combo, but he's also way more dynamic after the catch. Imo Wright is a solid player but he benefited greatly from playing in Baylor's spread offense with RGIII slinging him the ball.* To be honest I see nothing that special in his game, below average size,* above average speed, and average runner with the ball in his hand....I personally grade him out as about a 3rd round talent
    [/quote]

    to me, whats special to his game is his initial burst. he has great explosiveness off the line and can run by corners. he compensates for his lack of size, arm length, etc. with a great vertical and has decent body control.

    but i can see how he can be unspectacular to some. to me his intermediate route running is extremely overrated and is a below average route runner. this guy was not a security blanket or great possession receiver at baylor imo. but his big play ability gives him a top tier grade in my view[/quote]
    How would you rank Randle, Wright and Hill?
    For me I'll go
    Hill- Elite size speed combo who reportedly showed a complete route tree at his pro day while looking quick in and out of his cuts.

    Randle- Has some Hakeem Nicks to him in that he can break tackles and make people miss after the catch. Ran in the 4.3's at his pro day

    Wright- Certainly produced at a very high level, the question is just how much was he responsible for it and not the offense he played in and the QB that through him the ball. IMO will be a nice dependable target at the next level, but will never be a top tier talent....Think Santonio Holmes
    [/quote]

    I agree with you, just would switch randle and wright

    stephen hill's dont come around very often. receivers with his top end speed, jump ball skills, and tremendous hands are just extremely rare. poor man's randy moss imo

    if randle really ran a 4.3 i'd be downright shoked. usually receivers shed about a tenth of their combine time, but two tenths? wow. but imo in games he is a long strider type, i see acceptable but not elite speed. hes one of the safest picks in the draft, but dont see the upside/potential

    holmes is a nice comparison for wright. i think holmes' is a lot more quicker and has stronger hands tho than wright. cant really think of a completely accurate comparison..

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