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    Re: Chandler Jones, Syracuse - Our first round pick?

    [quote user="gmen0820"][quote user="BlueSanta"]Ive been on record as saying I think Jones is aguy we are looking at precisely because he is a left end.

    We do not have a LDE aside from Tuck, who's injuries have been on the rise of late.

    Last year in Tuck's absence we used 3 guys at his spot:

    JPP did ok, but his numbers were way down on this side compared to how dominant he is on the right side. Putting him on the left makes us weaker at 2 positions.

    Canty did well vs the run, but his passrush wasnt. His time at that position didnt last long because of it. Besides, space eaters like him do their best work in the middle.

    Tolly did pretty well vs the pass, but suffered vs the run and he isnt on the team anymore anyways.

    Realistically, we do not have anyone suited to help spell Tuck, or even eventually replace him.

    Furthermore, looking forward there are 3 key end rushers on this roster going to FA soon. Kiwi, Tuck and Osi are all potentially off the roster in the next couple years.

    Lastly, the Giants have a long history of drafting guys they brought in for interviews. Jones was 1 of the 1st guys (if not the 1st) brought in for an interview.

    Personaly, I like Jones and think he would fit well. I also warn against anyone who thinks that Reese's big board would look anything like any of the mock's we have seen. Using other internet mocks as a guide to a guys value to the Giants is like saying "Porche's stink because nobody is Haiti buys them."


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    I've been a big Chandler Jones fan from during the year. He has definitely climbed since, just like Vinny Curry, another guy I had as a huge sleeper, before the league woke up on him.[/quote]

    Yeah, I see great value if we were to pick him up at 32. His length should be excellent in the run and pass game. I think it would be a natural progression from Justin Tuck who is a very similar player.

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    Re: Chandler Jones, Syracuse - Our first round pick?

    [quote user="CGYgiant"][quote user="gmen0820"][quote user="BlueSanta"]Ive been on record as saying I think Jones is aguy we are looking at precisely because he is a left end.

    We do not have a LDE aside from Tuck, who's injuries have been on the rise of late.

    Last year in Tuck's absence we used 3 guys at his spot:

    JPP did ok, but his numbers were way down on this side compared to how dominant he is on the right side. Putting him on the left makes us weaker at 2 positions.

    Canty did well vs the run, but his passrush wasnt. His time at that position didnt last long because of it. Besides, space eaters like him do their best work in the middle.

    Tolly did pretty well vs the pass, but suffered vs the run and he isnt on the team anymore anyways.

    Realistically, we do not have anyone suited to help spell Tuck, or even eventually replace him.

    Furthermore, looking forward there are 3 key end rushers on this roster going to FA soon. Kiwi, Tuck and Osi are all potentially off the roster in the next couple years.

    Lastly, the Giants have a long history of drafting guys they brought in for interviews. Jones was 1 of the 1st guys (if not the 1st) brought in for an interview.

    Personaly, I like Jones and think he would fit well. I also warn against anyone who thinks that Reese's big board would look anything like any of the mock's we have seen. Using other internet mocks as a guide to a guys value to the Giants is like saying "Porche's stink because nobody is Haiti buys them."


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    I've been a big Chandler Jones fan from during the year. He has definitely climbed since, just like Vinny Curry, another guy I had as a huge sleeper, before the league woke up on him.[/quote]

    Yeah, I see great value if we were to pick him up at 32. His length should be excellent in the run and pass game. I think it would be a natural progression from Justin Tuck who is a very similar player.
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    I prefer Nick Perry in the 1st. His burst and strength are simply awesome, as is his length. He's already a natural run defender. Also, he's been adding weight this offseason and has stated at least once that he wants to be a 43 DE, not a 34 OLB (which should turn off about half the teams in the league, making him more likely to be available at 31).

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    Re: Chandler Jones, Syracuse - Our first round pick?

    Dislike Chandler Jones at 32. I think there are better pass rushers

    Just because you have great length doesnt alone make you a great pass rusher. There are other pass rushers in this draft that possess very good length (not AS good as jones) and great pass rushing qualities to go along with it.

    Nick perry is an excellent example like raptor said. Also like branch and mercilus better. We could do worse than jones though

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    Re: Chandler Jones, Syracuse - Our first round pick?

    The Giants normally draft for value and this guy is being pegged as a 2nd round pick by almost everybody. If he's still there at #64 then I'm all for it but not at #32.

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    Re: Chandler Jones, Syracuse - Our first round pick?

    Id take Mercilus, Perry, Crawford, Coples, and Devon Still over him. he's just too stiff looking and really doesn't stand out to me. My dream pick at 32 is Nick Perry. guy has size, speed, and strength.

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    Re: Chandler Jones, Syracuse - Our first round pick?

    [quote user="Danny1024"]The Giants normally draft for value and this guy is being pegged as a 2nd round pick by almost everybody. If he's still there at #64 then I'm all for it but not at #32.
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    Again, where a guy is "pegged" by a bunch of internet spewsayers has no bearing on where Reese values this guy.

    Mayock seems to value Jones as a possible late 1st rounder, so Reese might as well.

    I think the chances of him being gone by 32 are bigger then they are of him being available at 64, thats for sure.

    Guys who can play the left end position are not easy to come by. Fans seem to think you can just switch a guy over there and all will work out, he will transition. Thats just not how it works. Its akin to asking a right handed person to write left handed. That's how awkward it can be.

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    Re: Chandler Jones, Syracuse - Our first round pick?

    [quote user="Danny1024"]The Giants normally draft for value and this guy is being pegged as a 2nd round pick by almost everybody. If he's still there at #64 then I'm all for it but not at #32.
    [/quote]Yep
    No one remembers who came in second.

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    Re: Chandler Jones, Syracuse - Our first round pick?



    [quote user="jomo"][quote user="Danny1024"]The Giants normally draft for value and this guy is being pegged as a 2nd round pick by almost everybody. If he's still there at #64 then I'm all for it but not at #32.
    [/quote]Yep[/quote]




    I'm on board with that. You never know how the board will shape up and what value will be available at 32. Who knows, if Reese doesn't see value at 32 he could trade down to find some...


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    Re: Chandler Jones, Syracuse - Our first round pick?



    [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="Danny1024"]The Giants normally draft for value and this guy is being pegged as a 2nd round pick by almost everybody. If he's still there at #64 then I'm all for it but not at #32.
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    Again, where a guy is "pegged" by a bunch of internet spewsayers has no bearing on where Reese values this guy.

    Mayock seems to value Jones as a possible late 1st rounder, so Reese might as well.

    I think the chances of him being gone by 32 are bigger then they are of him being available at 64, thats for sure.

    Guys who can play the left end position are not easy to come by. Fans seem to think you can just switch a guy over there and all will work out, he will transition. Thats just not how it works. Its akin to asking a right handed person to write left handed. That's how awkward it can be.
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    +1


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    Re: Chandler Jones, Syracuse - Our first round pick?

    Good length, strength, and motor, but lacks elite athleticism that all top pass rushers possess. Never really beats tackles around the edge and usually just relies on a bull rush move. I don't really like his body type, looks as if he'll never gain the explosiveness needed no matter how much time he spends in the weight room. IMO kind of a tweener at this point, either he slims down and stays at 4/3 end or he bulks up 20+ pounds and plays the 3/4 five-tech.

    (Note: When I say tweener, his NFL comparison is literally right between Kiwanuka and Canty)

    Let me add though that if it was between Jones and Mercilus I would take Jones:

    I really don't see anythign that great about Mercilus. He lacks the length, agility and quickness to get pressure off the edge and imo looks to be kind a stiff athlete. I think he's been kind of over rated by the stats he put up this past season....Not really the type of DE the Giants tend to look for. So to sum up Jones>Mercilus

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