[quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="Morehead State"]He's a Travis Beckum wannabe.
Unless this kid can block (which he can't) he serves no real purpose for our offense. [/quote] You havent actually watched Fleener play at all, have you?[/quote]
Only highlights. I admit that I don't know much about the kid. And its not the point.
A TE who's not "all world" like Russ Francis, isn't worth our first round pick given our team's situation. Our team has problems in the run game. We threw for 5000 yards and have a great passing attack. I know we need to go BPA. I get that. But a TE just makes no sense to me.
On our team, with the players we have now, its not an impactful position. Give me a TE who can block, I mean really block, and who can occasionally go get a pass and pick up a big first down. That would help the New York Giants.</P>
[/quote] I'll disagree on a few points. No one knows who will end up being a future HoFer coming out of the draft, even with the first overall pick. Tight End is currently a need position. We have Pascoe (a blocking utility TE brought up from the practice squad two years ago), Bennet (a cast off Comboy and another blocking TE with questionable work ethic), and Hopkins (currently on the practice squad and a total unknown at the NFL level). Of the projected value at the #32 pick, the two best players are likely to be Doug Martin (#2 RB) or Coby Fleener (#1 TE) or Harrison Smith (#2 SS). Both former positions have been previously filled with low draft picks and/or UFAs with the exception of Beckum who is injured and will start the season on the PuP list (if he's on the team at all) and Safety is defintely not a need position for us (i.e. he would most likely only be a ST player this year). Our other need positions (in my mind) are OT (won't have super value at #32), DT (better value than OT but still not an obvious standout) and DE (same as DT). The only other area of possible need (i.e. a potential starter in 2012) is a #3 WR which we'll probably have value at the #32 spot. So which would you pick ... a possible starting #1 TE, #2 RB, #3 WR, a questionable work ethic OT (Martin or Adams) or depth at the DE/DT/SS positions? The only other value pick that I see in the first round would be Amini Silatolu (OG/OT) but he's a small school project. The way I see it, drafting a high impact TE that could start in 2012 would not only solve our current TE woes, but would also give our #3 receiver role time to sort itself out, and possibly help the run game and pass protection (it's much easier to add 10-20 lbs on to a TE and teach them to block then it is to run routes and catch). Remember, we're talking about drafting the HIGHEST rated TE in the draft (in a draft that's not deep at TE I might add). Seems to me that drafting a play making TE gives us the most potential bang for our buck for our first round pick this year.[/quote]When your picking #32 lower value positions like TE,RB,LB ,Interior OLine come into play because U can get the best 1 in the draft. U have a choice of taking the 4th or 5th best DE,DT,OT or the best at a lower value spot. Fleener to me gives the Giants offense outstanding flexibility. They would have 7 inline blockers and still have 3 explosive playmakers in the passing game[/quote]</P>
Its an interesting point but I still don't see how Fleener automatically gives us "more flexibility" in our offense. What would definately give us more flexibility is an enhanced running game. I don't see how a rookie TE is going to have that kind of impact. especially since he would undoubtedly NOT start ahead of Bennett. (who seems to have the same or better skill set as Fleener) and could very well be poised to break out as a contributor on offense. And Bennett can run block as well.</P>
It seems that the Bennett signing reduces substantially the possibility of our drafting Fleener. I just don't like the Giants using a first rounder on a TE given our already great dynamic passing game.</P>
It seems to me a better course is developing a better running attack andenhancing our D lineas a better use of early picks.</P>