Giants Top 5 Targets for Round 1...... bank it!

[Morehead State]

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"] If <U>Jonathan </U>Martin is there I think we would snap him up in a heartbeat.


Best chance of the 5 is probably Still and then Martin.</P>


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[/quote]To play what position, we already have Will Beatty as our starting LT and Jon Martin is strictly an LT, or at least from what ive read/seen on tape
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To develop into a solid LT. Draftees are prospects Kase. Your logic goes against JR's philosophy. (See........JPP)</P>

[Morehead State]

[quote user="Kase-1"]Top 5 1st Round Targets

Cordy Glenn, OL
Devon Still, DT
Mark Barron, Safety
Whitney Mercilus, DE
Luke Kuechly, MLB

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OK Kase, you just suggested a LT is a bad choice because we have a guy (who has started 10 games in his entire career with mixed results at best) at LT.</P>


Well we have two solid DT's, we have two outstanding safeties, we have 3 outstanding DE's and Kuechly will be gone probably in the top 10.</P>


You're a lovely chap but your being inconsistent.</P>

[nycsportzfan]

[quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"] If <U>Jonathan </U>Martin is there I think we would snap him up in a heartbeat.


Best chance of the 5 is probably Still and then Martin.</P>


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[/quote]To play what position, we already have Will Beatty as our starting LT and Jon Martin is strictly an LT, or at least from what ive read/seen on tape
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To develop into a solid LT. Draftees are prospects Kase. Your logic goes against JR's philosophy. (See........JPP)</P>[/quote] See Prince Amukumura when you all ready have Webster, TT, Ross, B.Johnson, as your top 4 CB's.. I think your right if Johnathan Martin is on the board, the giants will pounce.. I also think he will be fine to play RT in the NFL, if thats where we decide to try him... Actually, there are some people out there that think Martin is a RT in the pros, due to his having troubles at times with Speed rushers.. Also, i've read where people think bringing him along at RT, and refining his game to the pros before shifting em to the blind side..Hes a fantastic run blocker, and i just think it'd be to much value for reese to pass up if hes on the board..

[Morehead State]

[quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"] If <U>Jonathan </U>Martin is there I think we would snap him up in a heartbeat.


Best chance of the 5 is probably Still and then Martin.</P>


</P>


[/quote]To play what position, we already have Will Beatty as our starting LT and Jon Martin is strictly an LT, or at least from what ive read/seen on tape
[/quote]</P>


To develop into a solid LT. Draftees are prospects Kase. Your logic goes against JR's philosophy. (See........JPP)</P>


[/quote] See Prince Amukumura when you all ready have Webster, TT, Ross, B.Johnson, as your top 4 CB's.. I think your right if Johnathan Martin is on the board, the giants will pounce.. I also think he will be fine to play RT in the NFL, if thats where we decide to try him... Actually, there are some people out there that think Martin is a RT in the pros, due to his having troubles at times with Speed rushers.. Also, i've read where people think bringing him along at RT, and refining his game to the pros before shifting em to the blind side..Hes a fantastic run blocker, and i just think it'd be to much value for reese to pass up if hes on the board..[/quote]</P>


That was my argument to Kase. I think you should draft BPA even if we don't have an immediate need. I loved the Prince pick last year, and like most of us, I was watching his drop as he fell to us.</P>


He was claiming that we have Beatty so why draft a potential LT. I was only suggesting that he was being inconsistent. For the record, Will Beatty has proven nothing at all. LT is a huge question mark for us. </P>


I can't think of a single player we could draft that would start for us week one. Unless we have another rash of injuries. But in the TE matter, I just don't see a need, not because we have players ahead of him, but because its not what our team, given our style, needs.</P>

[Kruunch]

[quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"]* If <U>Jonathan </U>Martin is there I think we would snap him up in a heartbeat.


Best chance of the 5 is probably Still and then Martin.</P>


*</P>


[/quote]To play what position, we already have Will Beatty as our starting LT and Jon Martin is strictly an LT, or at least from what ive read/seen on tape
[/quote]</P>


To develop into a solid LT.* Draftees are prospects Kase.* Your logic goes against JR's philosophy. (See........JPP)</P>


[/quote]* See Prince Amukumura when you all ready have Webster, TT, Ross, B.Johnson, as your top 4 CB's..** I think your right if Johnathan Martin is on the board, the giants will pounce.. I also think he will be fine to play RT in the NFL, if thats where* we decide to try him...* Actually, there are some people out there that think Martin is a RT in the pros, due to his having troubles at times with Speed rushers..* Also, i've read where people think bringing him along at RT, and refining his game to the pros before shifting em to the blind side..**Hes a fantastic run blocker, and i just think it'd be to much value for reese to pass up if hes on the board..[/quote]</P>


That was my argument to Kase.* I think you should draft BPA even if we don't have an immediate need.* I loved the Prince pick last year, and like most of us, I was watching his drop as he fell to us.</P>


He was claiming that we have Beatty so why draft a potential LT.* I was only suggesting that he was being inconsistent.* For the record, Will Beatty has proven nothing at all.* LT is a huge question mark for us.* </P>


I can't think of a single player we could draft that would start for us week one.* Unless we have another rash of injuries.** But in the TE matter, I just don't see a need, not because we have players ahead of him, but because its not what our team, given our style, needs.</P>[/quote]

Well offensive line rarely garners a first round consideration barring some huge value (which most likely won't be there this year).

Beatty hasn't proven he's a HoFer true, but he has proven he can protect Eli, at least in the short term. Martin has less upside then Beatty (not as athletic and poor Combine) coming out of college. He's just more polished and played againt a better level of competition / in a better program than Beatty (hence his slightly higher draft grade). Of course I wouldn't mind if someone could teach him to run block a tad better (or at all).

#1 picks who could realistically start for us in 2012:

Doug Martin / David Wilson as our #2 RB behind AB. Of course you could say this about a few other RBs lower down the draft as well (LaMichael James, Robert Turbin, Chris Polk, etc ...).

Coby Fleener is the only TE that realistically could start for us this year. Dwayne Allen doesn't fit our system and the rest aren't polished enough to realistically be a starting TE in 2012 (that's not saying we couldn't force feed a TE like we did with Ballard, but you get the point).

Kendall Wright or Ruben Randall as our #3 WR. I don't see us going in that direction however and the value really isn't there (imo).

Those are the only three I see.

You could make the arguement for a Donta Hightower / Zach Brown as MLB but I think they'd have to be a huge standout to derail the Giants' plans on putting Boley at MLB this year.

[Morehead State]

[quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"] If <U>Jonathan </U>Martin is there I think we would snap him up in a heartbeat.


Best chance of the 5 is probably Still and then Martin.</P>


</P>


[/quote]To play what position, we already have Will Beatty as our starting LT and Jon Martin is strictly an LT, or at least from what ive read/seen on tape
[/quote]</P>


To develop into a solid LT. Draftees are prospects Kase. Your logic goes against JR's philosophy. (See........JPP)</P>


[/quote] See Prince Amukumura when you all ready have Webster, TT, Ross, B.Johnson, as your top 4 CB's.. I think your right if Johnathan Martin is on the board, the giants will pounce.. I also think he will be fine to play RT in the NFL, if thats where we decide to try him... Actually, there are some people out there that think Martin is a RT in the pros, due to his having troubles at times with Speed rushers.. Also, i've read where people think bringing him along at RT, and refining his game to the pros before shifting em to the blind side..Hes a fantastic run blocker, and i just think it'd be to much value for reese to pass up if hes on the board..[/quote]</P>


That was my argument to Kase. I think you should draft BPA even if we don't have an immediate need. I loved the Prince pick last year, and like most of us, I was watching his drop as he fell to us.</P>


He was claiming that we have Beatty so why draft a potential LT. I was only suggesting that he was being inconsistent. For the record, Will Beatty has proven nothing at all. LT is a huge question mark for us. </P>


I can't think of a single player we could draft that would start for us week one. Unless we have another rash of injuries. But in the TE matter, I just don't see a need, not because we have players ahead of him, but because its not what our team, given our style, needs.</P>


[/quote] Well offensive line rarely garners a first round consideration barring some huge value (which most likely won't be there this year). Beatty hasn't proven he's a HoFer true, but he has proven he can protect Eli, at least in the short term. Martin has less upside then Beatty (not as athletic and poor Combine) coming out of college. He's just more polished and played againt a better level of competition / in a better program than Beatty (hence his slightly higher draft grade). Of course I wouldn't mind if someone could teach him to run block a tad better (or at all). #1 picks who could realistically start for us in 2012: Doug Martin / David Wilson as our #2 RB behind AB. Of course you could say this about a few other RBs lower down the draft as well (LaMichael James, Robert Turbin, Chris Polk, etc ...). Coby Fleener is the only TE that realistically could start for us this year. Dwayne Allen doesn't fit our system and the rest aren't polished enough to realistically be a starting TE in 2012 (that's not saying we couldn't force feed a TE like we did with Ballard, but you get the point). Kendall Wright or Ruben Randall as our #3 WR. I don't see us going in that direction however and the value really isn't there (imo). Those are the only three I see. You could make the arguement for a Donta Hightower / Zach Brown as MLB but I think they'd have to be a huge standout to derail the Giants' plans on putting Boley at MLB this year.[/quote]</P>


Its not that Beatty isn't a proven HOF'r. Its that he's not a proven LT in the NFL.</P>


And if we want to really make a splash in the draft, we should put Osi in a package with some picks and move up to pick Kuechly. But thats just me thinking out loud.</P>


Ultimately I think its all talk because given our position I would be willing to bet we go D line. Either a DE that drops or Still. I hope I'm wrong because our rushing attack is a big problem and I would love to see us address it. I prefer Wilson but I would also be happy with Martin from BS.</P>

[TuckYou]

[quote user="michaelkhan3"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]1 - Coby Fleener 2 - Doug Martin 3 - Donta Hightower 4 - Devon Still 5 - Chandler Jones One of these guys will be on our roster Thursday night.[/quote]

I really dislike Chandler Jones. And I just don't get why people like Doug Martin better than David Wilson and Lamar Miller especially for the Giants.
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Why dont you like Chandler Jones? IMO, he is another Tuck. I dont like how he shot up the boards though. He was a 3rd rounder after last season. Now he is a 1st rounder? </P>


And We WILL NOT draft a TE with the #1 pick, unless we trade back. </P>

[Kruunch]

[quote user="TuckYou"]

[quote user="michaelkhan3"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]1 - Coby Fleener 2 - Doug Martin 3 - Donta Hightower 4 - Devon Still 5 - Chandler Jones One of these guys will be on our roster Thursday night.[/quote]

I really dislike Chandler Jones. And I just don't get why people like Doug Martin better than David Wilson and Lamar Miller especially for the Giants.* *
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Why dont you like Chandler Jones? IMO, he is another Tuck. I dont like how he shot up the boards though. He was a 3rd rounder after last season. Now he is a 1st rounder? </P>


And We WILL NOT draft a TE with the #1 pick, unless we trade back. </P>[/quote]

I think that's why he doesn't like Chandler Jones ... he's been over hyped of late.

I'm not a huge fan either ... decent guy but he doesn't have the athleticism that Tuck has, nor the elite pass rush skills the Giants cherish.

i tend to agree with you about the TE position ... I don't see the Giants drafting one in the first but Reese still has a small enough draft sampling to surprise us I think.

I equate it to us drafting Nicks in the first round in 2009. Obvious need, obvious value.

[Morehead State]

[quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="TuckYou"]


[quote user="michaelkhan3"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]1 - Coby Fleener 2 - Doug Martin 3 - Donta Hightower 4 - Devon Still 5 - Chandler Jones One of these guys will be on our roster Thursday night.[/quote]

I really dislike Chandler Jones. And I just don't get why people like Doug Martin better than David Wilson and Lamar Miller especially for the Giants.
[/quote]</P>


Why dont you like Chandler Jones? IMO, he is another Tuck. I dont like how he shot up the boards though. He was a 3rd rounder after last season. Now he is a 1st rounder? </P>


And We WILL NOT draft a TE with the #1 pick, unless we trade back. </P>


[/quote] I think that's why he doesn't like Chandler Jones ... he's been over hyped of late. I'm not a huge fan either ... decent guy but he doesn't have the athleticism that Tuck has, nor the elite pass rush skills the Giants cherish. i tend to agree with you about the TE position ... I don't see the Giants drafting one in the first but Reese still has a small enough draft sampling to surprise us I think. I equate it to us drafting Nicks in the first round in 2009. Obvious need, obvious value.[/quote]</P>


Thats why I'm hoping he goes with Wilson or Doug Martin. He has shown a willingness to go with need. He went KP in 08 and Nicks in 09. The last two drafts however have been BPA. Only because our targeted guys were gone. (at least in '10 with Mclain)</P>

[Kruunch]

[quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"]* If <U>Jonathan </U>Martin is there I think we would snap him up in a heartbeat.


Best chance of the 5 is probably Still and then Martin.</P>


*</P>


[/quote]To play what position, we already have Will Beatty as our starting LT and Jon Martin is strictly an LT, or at least from what ive read/seen on tape
[/quote]</P>


To develop into a solid LT.* Draftees are prospects Kase.* Your logic goes against JR's philosophy. (See........JPP)</P>


[/quote]* See Prince Amukumura when you all ready have Webster, TT, Ross, B.Johnson, as your top 4 CB's..** I think your right if Johnathan Martin is on the board, the giants will pounce.. I also think he will be fine to play RT in the NFL, if thats where* we decide to try him...* Actually, there are some people out there that think Martin is a RT in the pros, due to his having troubles at times with Speed rushers..* Also, i've read where people think bringing him along at RT, and refining his game to the pros before shifting em to the blind side..**Hes a fantastic run blocker, and i just think it'd be to much value for reese to pass up if hes on the board..[/quote]</P>


That was my argument to Kase.* I think you should draft BPA even if we don't have an immediate need.* I loved the Prince pick last year, and like most of us, I was watching his drop as he fell to us.</P>


He was claiming that we have Beatty so why draft a potential LT.* I was only suggesting that he was being inconsistent.* For the record, Will Beatty has proven nothing at all.* LT is a huge question mark for us.* </P>


I can't think of a single player we could draft that would start for us week one.* Unless we have another rash of injuries.** But in the TE matter, I just don't see a need, not because we have players ahead of him, but because its not what our team, given our style, needs.</P>


[/quote] Well offensive line rarely garners a first round consideration barring some huge value (which most likely won't be there this year). Beatty hasn't proven he's a HoFer true, but he has proven he can protect Eli, at least in the short term. Martin has less upside then Beatty (not as athletic and poor Combine) coming out of college. He's just more polished and played againt a better level of competition / in a better program than Beatty (hence his slightly higher draft grade). Of course I wouldn't mind if someone could teach him to run block a tad better (or at all). #1 picks who could realistically start for us in 2012: Doug Martin / David Wilson as our #2 RB behind AB. Of course you could say this about a few other RBs lower down the draft as well (LaMichael James, Robert Turbin, Chris Polk, etc ...). Coby Fleener is the only TE that realistically could start for us this year. Dwayne Allen doesn't fit our system and the rest aren't polished enough to realistically be a starting TE in 2012 (that's not saying we couldn't force feed a TE like we did with Ballard, but you get the point). Kendall Wright or Ruben Randall as our #3 WR. I don't see us going in that direction however and the value really isn't there (imo). Those are the only three I see. You could make the arguement for a Donta Hightower / Zach Brown as MLB but I think they'd have to be a huge standout to derail the Giants' plans on putting Boley at MLB this year.[/quote]</P>


Its not that Beatty isn't a proven HOF'r.* Its that he's not a proven LT in the NFL.</P>


And if we want to really make a splash in the draft, we should put Osi in a package with some picks and move up to pick Kuechly.* But thats just me thinking out loud.</P>


Ultimately I think its all talk because given our position I would be willing to bet we go D line.* Either a DE that drops or Still.* I hope I'm wrong because our rushing attack is a big problem and I would love to see us address it.* I prefer Wilson but I would also be happy with Martin from BS.</P>[/quote]

No way we package one of our best pass rushers for an MLB. I'd be less surprised if the Pope admitted to being an agnostic.

Default position says the Giants go defensive line, I agree.

I also agree that our run game needs a huge boost (both on the Oline and the RB position).

I'd be very surprised if we go RB in the first (just as I'd be surprised if we go TE in the first), but I'd love to see it just the same. I wouldn't be upset with Amini Silatolu in the first or Keleche Osemele in the second. Both have the versatility to play OG or OT which the Giants love.

I'm on the fence about Beatty. I disagree with you about him not showing anything. To me he's shown that he can be a pass protector in the NFL which is key to the LT position. He hasn't shown that he can be a complete LT yet (his run blocking is for caca). Given that, I can see the Giants going for an athletic speciman project (hence Silatolu or Osemele).

I think Jonathan Martin, Mike Adams and Zebrie Sanders are highly rated traps in this draft.