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    Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

    [quote user="Ntegrase96"]True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

    Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

    Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

    I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

    Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

    I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

    And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.[/quote]

    Don't get me wrong. I think Miles is a very dangerous receiver. (I fear him more than Dez, truth be told).

    But your question concerned comparing a different season for each player, and I believe Cruz comes out a bit ahead. We'll see how their careers pan out. Two very good-to-great receivers, in a wide receiver-rich division.

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    Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

    [quote user="Ntegrase96"]Kind of boring around here so I thought I'd start a fun debate.

    Victor Cruz had 82 catches, 1,532 yards, 9 touchdowns in 2011

    Miles Austin had 81 catches, 1,320 yards, and 11 touchdowns in 2009

    Both were Rookie Free Agents if I'm not mistaken, so that's why there is the comparison.

    A quick glance at the numbers is in favor of Cruz, but who do you think was better in their respective year.

    Also, do you think Cruz will replicate his success in future seasons?

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    [/quote] I actually think Cruz is gonna do better this yr.. Hes now going into the season as a starter, and has a defined role, and a good heap of expierence with Eli and the team.. I think Cruz gets 100catches this yr.. 100recept 1500yr 10td...

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    Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

    I remember being jealous that a local undrafted prospect turns out that way for A-Rod, I mean Miles. Worse that it's for Dallas. We got it back in spades with Cruz.

    But I'll say what I've said since Cruz's freakish preseason game in 2010 -- there's something in him that just can't be coached or taught... He's got flypaper hands, a supernatural sense of the ball in space, and an "it" factor that can't be accounted for. It's not just a comparison against Austin, it's a comparison against anybody.

    Non-fans probably saw more of him later in the season and the playoffs, and you could see him being progressively coached up as the season progressed; but I'm talking about things like the first Philly game (making the two defenders run into each other, and snatching a TD in double coverage) or the Jets game (that 99 yard TD in double coverage), the volleyball catch against Seattle. You just can't account for that, that's the "it" factor I'm talking about. An ability to elude and make defenders miss... Barry Sanders is the only comparison I can draw.

    As you can tell I'm a big fan.

    Like JPP, he's a guy who is big on raw talent who is just learning to play the game at the NFL level. I'm sure time and injuries over the years will slow him down, and we'll see more "textbook" play and less of the supernatural... But I think the two of them will have careers that parallel each other and us Giants fans are in store for a few more years of unexplainable plays.

    Remind me if Austin made any plays like this, Cruz made about 6-10:




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    Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

    Cruz pretty much was the offense for the Jets game, so I think I give it to him

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    Cruz's 99 harder against the Jets started the Giants run to the SB. I do not remember the Cowboys winning a single playoff game in Austin's year. Case closed it is Cruzzzz!

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    [quote user="PoloGroundsFan"]Cruz's 99 harder against the Jets started the Giants run to the SB. I do not remember the Cowboys winning a single playoff game in Austin's year. Case closed it is Cruzzzz![/quote]

    Wildcard game?

    But overall you have a fair point. Cruz was on a superbowl winning team and helped contribute to the run.

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    Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

    [quote user="gmen46"][quote user="Ntegrase96"]True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

    Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

    Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

    I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

    Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

    I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

    And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.[/quote]

    Don't get me wrong. I think Miles is a very dangerous receiver. (I fear him more than Dez, truth be told).

    But your question concerned comparing a different season for each player, and I believe Cruz comes out a bit ahead. We'll see how their careers pan out. Two very good-to-great receivers, in a wide receiver-rich division.[/quote]

    Yeah, no problem at all. I think Cruz in 2011 had a great season and Austin had a great season as well in 2009. Overall I'd say it is a push, but I could understand people seeing it go either way. Good points on either side. Just thought I'd get other opinions.

    I was just pointing out that Miles Austin's 2009 season hasn't been replicated yet, I don't think it's due to a lack of his ability to do so.

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    Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

    [quote user="Ntegrase96"][quote user="gmen46"][quote user="Ntegrase96"]True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

    Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

    Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

    I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

    Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

    I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

    And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.[/quote]

    Don't get me wrong. I think Miles is a very dangerous receiver. (I fear him more than Dez, truth be told).

    But your question concerned comparing a different season for each player, and I believe Cruz comes out a bit ahead. We'll see how their careers pan out. Two very good-to-great receivers, in a wide receiver-rich division.[/quote]

    Yeah, no problem at all. I think Cruz in 2011 had a great season and Austin had a great season as well in 2009. Overall I'd say it is a push, but I could understand people seeing it go either way. Good points on either side. Just thought I'd get other opinions.

    I was just pointing out that Miles Austin's 2009 season hasn't been replicated yet, I don't think it's due to a lack of his ability to do so.
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    maybe it's due to the fact that he messed up on a crucial pass late in the Week 14 game Giants at Dallas that would have ended the game, but thanks to him the Giants' playoff hopes were kept alive.

    "Quarterback Tony Romo took the snap, dropped back and saw receiver Miles Austin running wide open down the field. The Giants had blitzed and there were no defenders near Austin, who could have glided into the end zone.

    But the pass fell incomplete. Austin later admitted he lost the ball in the bright lights of Cowboys Stadium. “I wish I would have reacted better, to be honest with you,” Austin said. “Obviously, it was a missed opportunity.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/sp...iants-way.html

    Missed opportunities galore. Fine with me!

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    Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

    [quote user="NYGRealityCheck"][quote user="Ntegrase96"][quote user="gmen46"][quote user="Ntegrase96"]True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

    Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

    Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

    I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

    Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

    I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

    And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.[/quote]

    Don't get me wrong. I think Miles is a very dangerous receiver. (I fear him more than Dez, truth be told).

    But your question concerned comparing a different season for each player, and I believe Cruz comes out a bit ahead. We'll see how their careers pan out. Two very good-to-great receivers, in a wide receiver-rich division.[/quote]

    Yeah, no problem at all. I think Cruz in 2011 had a great season and Austin had a great season as well in 2009. Overall I'd say it is a push, but I could understand people seeing it go either way. Good points on either side. Just thought I'd get other opinions.

    I was just pointing out that Miles Austin's 2009 season hasn't been replicated yet, I don't think it's due to a lack of his ability to do so.
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    maybe it's due to the fact that he messed up on a crucial pass late in the Week 14 game Giants at Dallas that would have ended the game, but thanks to him the Giants' playoff hopes were kept alive.

    "Quarterback Tony Romo took the snap, dropped back and saw receiver Miles Austin running wide open down the field. The Giants had blitzed and there were no defenders near Austin, who could have glided into the end zone.

    But the pass fell incomplete. Austin later admitted he lost the ball in the bright lights of Cowboys Stadium. “I wish I would have reacted better, to be honest with you,” Austin said. “Obviously, it was a missed opportunity.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/sp...iants-way.html

    Missed opportunities galore. Fine with me![/quote]

    I can't get on Austin too hard for that (though it was a huge miss in a huge moment), if for no other reason than Nicks had essentially the same thing happen to him the following week against the Skins. I think it was on the opening series (or if nothing else, very early in the game) and he got blinded by the sun on that huge bomb and dropped the ball.

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    Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

    [quote user="Drez"][quote user="NYGRealityCheck"][quote user="Ntegrase96"][quote user="gmen46"][quote user="Ntegrase96"]True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

    Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

    Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

    I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

    Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

    I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

    And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.[/quote]

    Don't get me wrong. I think Miles is a very dangerous receiver. (I fear him more than Dez, truth be told).

    But your question concerned comparing a different season for each player, and I believe Cruz comes out a bit ahead. We'll see how their careers pan out. Two very good-to-great receivers, in a wide receiver-rich division.[/quote]

    Yeah, no problem at all. I think Cruz in 2011 had a great season and Austin had a great season as well in 2009. Overall I'd say it is a push, but I could understand people seeing it go either way. Good points on either side. Just thought I'd get other opinions.

    I was just pointing out that Miles Austin's 2009 season hasn't been replicated yet, I don't think it's due to a lack of his ability to do so.
    [/quote]

    maybe it's due to the fact that he messed up on a crucial pass late in the Week 14 game Giants at Dallas that would have ended the game, but thanks to him the Giants' playoff hopes were kept alive.

    "Quarterback Tony Romo took the snap, dropped back and saw receiver Miles Austin running wide open down the field. The Giants had blitzed and there were no defenders near Austin, who could have glided into the end zone.

    But the pass fell incomplete. Austin later admitted he lost the ball in the bright lights of Cowboys Stadium. “I wish I would have reacted better, to be honest with you,” Austin said. “Obviously, it was a missed opportunity.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/sp...iants-way.html

    Missed opportunities galore. Fine with me![/quote]

    I can't get on Austin too hard for that (though it was a huge miss in a huge moment), if for no other reason than Nicks had essentially the same thing happen to him the following week against the Skins. I think it was on the opening series (or if nothing else, very early in the game) and he got blinded by the sun on that huge bomb and dropped the ball.
    [/quote]

    But Nicks' dropped pass was not in a crucial moment or crucial game and IMHO even if he did score the TD, it would not have been enough as the Giants lost 23-10 in a total lack of effort from both sides of the ball as the team was boo-ed at the stadium from beginning to end. The defense did not bother to stop Rex Grossman in that game.

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