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    Lets look at the NY Giants TE position

    I am wondering what the roster will look like for the new season ahead. With issues still at the offensive line
    the Giants signed Rhett Ellison a very good blocking TE put not a receiving threat at all. I go back to the firing
    of legendary TE coach Mike Pope (who is with Dallas) as a paramount bad decision the Giants made.

    With issues still at the Oline Mike Pope's expertise would have help develop the players on the roster learn faster. We have
    seen him do this in the past with Jake Ballard and Kevin Boss. It would have been so great to see what Mike Pope
    could have done with Jerell Adams as I believe Adams has all the physical attributes to play the position at a high level.
    I know I am harping on this but why in the world did they get rid of Pope? I would love to get a serious explanation about this.

    In any case with the acquisition of Ellison I don't see the Giants taking a TE in the draft all though you never know as the team
    has in the past gone after projects. Will Tye seems to be a reliable target but not a good blocker at all and Matt LaCosse a 1 year
    player out of Illinois is someone I know very little about.

    I welcome your opinion and insight on who you think will be on the roster for TE in Sept.

    I believe it will be:

    Jerell Adams 1 year

    Will Tye 2 years

    * Rhett Ellison 5 years

    My hope is that Adams can develop more to be a passing threat and become a good blocker.
    If that does happen I see a solid group which the Giants have to have to be more rounded on offense.

    What's your take?


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    Letting Pope go was definitely a bad decision too imo.

    I dont think Will Tye or Matt Lacosse being on the roster will prevent the Giants from drafting a TE. Neither one has done anything to guarantee a roster spot imo.

    Ellison is a TE/FB, so that can basically open a spot up for us instead of signing a FB. i can see the Giants carrying 3 maybe 4 TEs next year. So i wouldnt rule out a draft pick weather that be round 1 or round 5.

    At the same time, i can see the coaching staff wanting to give Adams a go a see what he can do. Have Ellison start and then bring in Adams for 2TE sets or when Ellison is back at FB. Reese has notoriously always undervalued the TE position so going this route wouldnt surprise me at all.

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    Pope retired Martin.
    "Once a Giant, ALWAYS, a Giant."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYG4lifeNYK View Post
    Pope retired Martin.
    Thanks! I just checked the article from March 1st. Great, great coach and I wish him well.


    LT - Carson - Kelley - Van Pelt

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    Ugh can we just bury our heads in sand and pretend everything is rainbows and sunshine instead of looking at the TE position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    Thanks! I just checked the article from March 1st. Great, great coach and I wish him well.
    Haha I know thank God. I wanted to vomit when I heard he signed with Dallas.... as if any of their TE's needed to be any better....
    "Once a Giant, ALWAYS, a Giant."

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    I think people underestimate Ellisons ability to catch the football. He was not used as a receiving TE but that does not mean he can't catch the ball. He will be given every chance to shine as a real deal TE. His ability to play FB also opens up the door for a few different formations. As for Adams. He still needs to pass Tye on the depth chart, something I think he can do.

    I don't think any of this prevents us from taking a TE in the draft, even in the first round. Reese was very clear two weeks ago when he said he likes to have the roster figured out before the draft. This way when draft day comes he can just take the best players and not have to reach for a guy or hope a guy falls based on a position of need. If OJ Howard falls to us in the draft at 23 and he's the best guy I think they take him.
    LT (132.5) -> Strahan (141.5) -> Osi (65) -> Tuck (60.5) -> JPP (50) -> ???
    "Next man up"

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMike357 View Post
    I think people underestimate Ellisons ability to catch the football. He was not used as a receiving TE but that does not mean he can't catch the ball. He will be given every chance to shine as a real deal TE. His ability to play FB also opens up the door for a few different formations. As for Adams. He still needs to pass Tye on the depth chart, something I think he can do.

    I don't think any of this prevents us from taking a TE in the draft, even in the first round. Reese was very clear two weeks ago when he said he likes to have the roster figured out before the draft. This way when draft day comes he can just take the best players and not have to reach for a guy or hope a guy falls based on a position of need. If OJ Howard falls to us in the draft at 23 and he's the best guy I think they take him.
    We just don't KNOW if he's a reliable receiver (which is scary if he's entrenched as your starting TE) we don't have a big enough sample size to know he can be effective.. can he catch the ball consistently? Can he do it consistently in traffic? Does he run clean routes? Is he any type of yac threat? We know virtually nothing about him as a receiver outside of what we see in a small handful of plays which proves nothing

    It's not that we think he CAN'T it's that we don't know and don't have much to even guess off of, that's scary.. especially at his price tag

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliordie View Post
    We just don't KNOW if he's a reliable receiver (which is scary if he's entrenched as your starting TE) we don't have a big enough sample size to know he can be effective.. can he catch the ball consistently? Can he do it consistently in traffic? Does he run clean routes? Is he any type of yac threat? We know virtually nothing about him as a receiver outside of what we see in a small handful of plays which proves nothing

    It's not that we think he CAN'T it's that we don't know and don't have much to even guess off of, that's scary.. especially at his price tag
    Well we never know how a free agent will do. That is why many year after year fail. If you watch Ellison play he runs very good routes and has big soft hands that tend to hold on to balls thrown his way. Obviously we will have to wait and see how it turns out, but I think people underestimate his ability especially when they say things like he's "not a receiving threat at all" or "he won't catch more than 15 passes".
    LT (132.5) -> Strahan (141.5) -> Osi (65) -> Tuck (60.5) -> JPP (50) -> ???
    "Next man up"

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    I think the signing of Marshall somewhat alleviates the need for an athletic, pass catching tight end. I fully get that it's two different positions, but a lot of these pass catching TEs line up like wide receivers now. Marshall can block downfield like a tight end is expected to do, plus he's a huge target. So I get why the Giants picked up a guy like Ellison who is a blocking specialist. At this stage they need blocking help more than receiving help. Plus I agree with another poster's point that Ellison may develop into a serviceable pass catcher under Eli anyway. Eli has helped other no-name tight ends do this. Boss, Ballard, and Bennett all skyrocketed their careers on the Giants.

    In terms of what the position will look like for us going forward, I still think we may draft someone but probably not in the first two rounds. They need linemen now more than anything else. I think the Giants will draft two linemen in the first three rounds. They will probably go RB in the first four rounds as well. Maybe a TE in rounds 4-6.

    I'm actually cool with Ellison/Tye/Adams/rookie at the position now that we have Marshall. I don't see that as problematic the way it was this year.

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