The Cowboys Don't Have The Juice To Stay With Big Blue

[GameTime]

without going down the roster either team is certainly capable of beating the other. The Giants have an advantage I think but its not a slam dunk advantage by any means.....

[Eliscruzzz]

Okay, let's call Webster and Carr a push for right now since you and the rest of Giants nation hold Carr accountable for doing his job.

After that...

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Claiborn will be better than Amukamara this season. Jenkins is better than anyone you have as well, and Scandrick is a pretty darn good slot corner.

Yeah Jenkins is better then anyone we have? If they are somuch better then why did they get burned by Eli twice last year I said when you combine the whole secondary the Giants are better you can't really say that Claiborne is better then Prince cause Prince did more then Clay has done in the NFL as of right now I get it you want to justify your 1st round pick but lets wait until he plays a game 1st Prince did play very well last year in the playoffs did you watch him in the Championship game against San Fran,or against Green Bay high powered offense, he was awesome against Atlanta stud wr's oh yeah he didn't do that back against your team in the last game of the regular season so he was coming along nice last year and just because Clay was a higher draft pick doesn't by any means, mean he is better let's wait on that.

[Ntegrase96]

I know you did but it still to me is still doesn't make sense you can throw all the #'s and stats you want but you have got to look at the competition they have both faced. The Giants have faced the top passers in the league due to the tough schedule every year for the last three year when Carr went against Tebow, Orton, Cambell, Palmer, and Rivers for the last 3 years.

Well that covers 6 games a year... who do they play for the other 10?

[Ntegrase96]

Yeah Jenkins is better then anyone we have? If they are somuch better then why did they get burned by Eli twice last year I said when you combine the whole secondary the Giants are better you can't really say that Claiborne is better then Prince cause Prince did more then Clay has done in the NFL as of right now I get it you want to justify your 1st round pick but lets wait until he plays a game 1st Prince did play very well last year in the playoffs did you watch him in the Championship game against San Fran,or against Green Bay high powered offense, he was awesome against Atlanta stud wr's oh yeah he didn't do that back against your team in the last game of the regular season so he was coming along nice last year and just because Clay was a higher draft pick doesn't by any means, mean he is better let's wait on that.

Well seeing how they burned newman on most of the occasions (not a Cowboy any longer) and Jenkins could barely lift his arm above his head I think things will be a bit different.

You also are yet again without TT and Ross is gone now as well (even though he was bad). So you have Webster and Amukamara and who else?

Do you deny that Jenkins is not better than the people you have after Webster??

It's not me justifying our first round selection. Claiborne has looked pretty good. I'm not saying he's better now, but I don't think being better than Amukamara by the end of the year is a hard mountain to climb.

[Eliscruzzz]

]Well since you want to put rookies into the equation we have hosley how can do everything claiborne does don't count himout plus Michael Coe has surprised me don't be shocked if you see him oh and I also I read a report today that Thomas is going to play this season just not the opener even though he is shooting to play in that game so when everyone is healthy you got Webster, TT2, Prince, Coe, and Hosley paired with one of the top safeties in the league with Kenny Phillips and Rolle yes I think our secondary is better then your's, plus isn't Jenkins hurt too he's not going to be ready for the opener either so what are you talking about?

[Eliscruzzz]

Well that covers 6 games a year... who do they play for the other 10?

the other 10 he has done very well, like I said remember he never played with a Brandon Flowers, so................I don't know what to tell you I just think it's funny that Cowboy fans think he's the next Revis when he never had to cover the #1's for a full year to me the guys takes to many risks that leds to big plays yes you can get away with that crap over in the AFC west but in the NFC with all the accurate QBs that will make you pay, could hurt you guys.

[Ntegrase96]

]Well since you want to put rookies into the equation we have hosley how can do everything claiborne does don't count himout plus Michael Coe has surprised me don't be shocked if you see him oh and I also I read a report today that Thomas is going to play this season just not the opener even though he is shooting to play in that game so when everyone is healthy you got Webster, TT2, Prince, Coe, and Hosley paired with one of the top safeties in the league with Kenny Phillips and Rolle yes I think our secondary is better then your's, plus isn't Jenkins hurt too he's not going to be ready for the opener either so what are you talking about?

If you want to bring safeties into it, I'll have to give you the nod. Phillips is pretty good but Rolle is iffy.

Right. Jenkins MAY end up being placed on PUP, but that means he'll miss only 5 games. That's still up in the air. So let's go ahead and strike both TT and Jenkins from the conversation.

If we're talking about the opener, which I apologize I'd lost sight of, then I'd say it's probably a push for both sides considering Jenkins may not play. If he does, edge Dallas.

[Eliscruzzz]

If you want to bring safeties into it, I'll have to give you the nod. Phillips is pretty good but Rolle is iffy.

Right. Jenkins MAY end up being placed on PUP, but that means he'll miss only 5 games. That's still up in the air. So let's go ahead and strike both TT and Jenkins from the conversation.

If we're talking about the opener, which I apologize I'd lost sight of, then I'd say it's probably a push for both sides considering Jenkins may not play. If he does, edge Dallas.

No need to apologize just didn't know what you were getting at if Jenkins does play in the opener then yes you have the edge how can I argue that when two of our starters will be out you just can't do it and the Rolle iffy thing yes when he has to play corner I wet my bed everytime but when he plays his natural safety position he's above average.

[Ntegrase96]

the other 10 he has done very well, like I said remember he never played with a Brandon Flowers, so................I don't know what to tell you I just think it's funny that Cowboy fans think he's the next Revis when he never had to cover the #1's for a full year to me the guys takes to many risks that leds to big plays yes you can get away with that crap over in the AFC west but in the NFC with all the accurate QBs that will make you pay, could hurt you guys.

I don't think anyone thinks he's the next Revis. Claiborne may be close to a top corner evnetually, but no one is expecting Carr to elevate his game to 'Carr Island'. He IS a borderline top 10 CB. However no one here wants to aknowledge that because Brandon Flowers is so great on the other side despite the fact that there isn't a clear 1 and 2 CB on the Cheifs. Meaning Carr saw plenty of action from top WRs depending on where they lined up.

Takes too many risks? Have you seen Carr play before? He's not asante.

[Eliscruzzz]

I don't think anyone thinks he's the next Revis. Claiborne may be close to a top corner evnetually, but no one is expecting Carr to elevate his game to 'Carr Island'. He IS a borderline top 10 CB. However no one here wants to aknowledge that because Brandon Flowers is so great on the other side despite the fact that there isn't a clear 1 and 2 CB on the Cheifs. Meaning Carr saw plenty of action from top WRs depending on where they lined up.

Takes too many risks? Have you seen Carr play before? He's not asante.

Yes I've seen him play before I used to watch the Cheifs a lot, you just haven't seen the risks cause like I said he either intercepted it or someone else helped out all I'm saying is that when you go against top QBs in the league you won't be able to take those risks. Who really scares you as a receiver that he has covered so far? I can't think of anyone even in the preseason remember too he is learning a whole new system with Ryan, there could be busted plays. I know he's not Asante cause I think Asante is better imo.