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    Front 4 Not Getting It Done!!!!

    Our front 4 are not doing their job at all. Even with a blitz we cannot get to the QB. I do not know what is going on or what is wrong. It almost seems once they get in, they over pressure and end up being out of the play.

    I believe with our team we need to go to a 3-4. Basically moving JPP back to a LB'er position. This could be awesome in every sense and work very well for us since teams would not have a clue about us now and have no way to prepare. JPP could be the same as Kiwanuka in this respect. He would adapt very well as long as he is on the INSIDE.
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    I was waiting for a 3-4 defense thread; we get one about once or twice every year. Let's face it, the d-line is underperforming. No one knows why, but changing defensive schemes is not the answer. We just don't have the personal to do the switch. The most valuable position in a 3-4 other than the linebackers is the nose tackle. And I think moving Linval Joseph to the nose might take at least a year for him to get comfortable. This team’s foundation is the d-line, and right now they are not getting the job done, hence why we are not looking that good on the defensive side of the ball.

    Maybe an easy solution could be what the Eagles do with their d-line, rotate players so they are always fresh. We kept Tracy & Ojomo on the 53 man roster to play special teams? Let's give these two some snaps on defense, give Tuck, JPP, Osi a break here and there. You even have Kiwi who can get a few snaps at d-end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ny06 View Post
    I was waiting for a 3-4 defense thread; we get one about once or twice every year. Let's face it, the d-line is underperforming. No one knows why, but changing defensive schemes is not the answer. We just don't have the personal to do the switch. The most valuable position in a 3-4 other than the linebackers is the nose tackle. And I think moving Linval Joseph to the nose might take at least a year for him to get comfortable. This team’s foundation is the d-line, and right now they are not getting the job done, hence why we are not looking that good on the defensive side of the ball.

    Maybe an easy solution could be what the Eagles do with their d-line, rotate players so they are always fresh. We kept Tracy & Ojomo on the 53 man roster to play special teams? Let's give these two some snaps on defense, give Tuck, JPP, Osi a break here and there. You even have Kiwi who can get a few snaps at d-end.
    A rotation is a good idea. And bringing more than 4 on the pass rush is needed as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
    A rotation is a good idea. And bringing more than 4 on the pass rush is needed as well.
    If we had the secondary we started the season with we might see more corner and safety blitzes
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    Quote Originally Posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
    A rotation is a good idea. And bringing more than 4 on the pass rush is needed as well.
    I didnt read the entire thread, and it was probably already mentioned, but I think they reason why they aren't rushing more than 4 is because of the huge question marks in the secondary. It would be suicide to call an all-out blitz when you have 2nd and 3rd stringers back there that you(rightfully) dont trust to cover. There is no question about the front 4 though. They aren't doing a thing, and it's going to really cost them if it keeps up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Die-Hard View Post
    I didnt read the entire thread, and it was probably already mentioned, but I think they reason why they aren't rushing more than 4 is because of the huge question marks in the secondary. It would be suicide to call an all-out blitz when you have 2nd and 3rd stringers back there that you(rightfully) dont trust to cover. There is no question about the front 4 though. They aren't doing a thing, and it's going to really cost them if it keeps up
    How do you not read the thread and then comment???? LOL Yes our 2ndary is very suspect. We are just picking up the pieces as we go along. It did already cost us in the Philthy game. Badly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Die-Hard View Post
    I didnt read the entire thread, and it was probably already mentioned, but I think they reason why they aren't rushing more than 4 is because of the huge question marks in the secondary. It would be suicide to call an all-out blitz when you have 2nd and 3rd stringers back there that you(rightfully) dont trust to cover. There is no question about the front 4 though. They aren't doing a thing, and it's going to really cost them if it keeps up
    that's pretty much it. the secondary is not to be trusted yet with so many injuries, but the point of the front office focusing on the DL is that we are supposed to be getting pressure with just the four man line. it sure isn't happening. i can see not overpursuing against very mobile QB's, but we aren't getting much pressure on anyone.

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    Watching some of the 49ers on the RedZone and they have a Big OL. They might push the Giants DL all over the place next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy333 View Post
    Watching some of the 49ers on the RedZone and they have a Big OL. They might push the Giants DL all over the place next week.
    JPP got pushed all over today. Even the plays in slo-mo showed him getting handled.All I know is that in high-school ball I could play any Dlineman position at any given time. How hard is it to move to Nose-guard when you know if you do your job others have your back?

    We at this present time have zero outside contain. The last 2 games have exposed that weakness. I always preached outside contain when I coached......move the ball to the interior where you have help!!!!!!
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    Our DL is definitly underperforming and it's only been exhasterbated by the injuries at DT to Canty and Bernard. Tracy needs to see some snaps at least to give Tucks, Osi and JPP a breather and to mix things up.

    Also, what the heck happened to all of the stunts and twists we used to use along the DL? Don't see them anymore.
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