Phil Simms: "No, Eli Is Not One Of The Elites....."

[stormblue]

Take away Simms dominant defense...a little truth in perspective, no?


Come on with this nonesene "what if's"

Elway got his 20 points....Phil doubled him up.

[stormblue]

C'mon man, enough with the cold water; don't ruin it.

Now say it with me: it was just a bunch of lucky plays and the Giants stole SB42.

Doesn't that feel better?

nope , you keep leaving out the outstanding defense that really won the game.

[GameTime]

take away any 2 entire scoring drives....and Phil still wins.
take away one first down.....and Eli loses.

anyways all you smug-asterisks jumpin' on board here to pummel me need to keep in mind
that i jumped in here to defend our defense....that really won the game.
stop making me compare Eli and Phil....it wasn't my intent.

I am not smug or am I making you compare. I plainly said I dont compare them.
Simms and the Giants had a historical game. So did Eli and the Giants.....

[Sarcasman]

nope , you keep leaving out the outstanding defense that really won the game.

Don't put words in my mouth, I've never knocked the defense from SB42 nor is a comment such as that to be found anywhere in my post.

[Imgrate]

Eli has played like a top 5 qb one season in his entire career.

[stormblue]

I am not smug or am I making you compare. I plainly said I dont compare them.
Simms and the Giants had a historical game. So did Eli and the Giants.....

touche ...point taken (literally) ; and well received.

[Morehead State]

Eli has played like a top 5 qb one season in his entire career.

I hate to say it but this is really the crux of the issue.
Eli has had one great season out of 9. If he was having another great season this year, you could make an argument that he has developed and has become a great QB. But he's been horrible in the last 4 games. He has rookie numbers with 12 TD's and 11 Int's..
Its actually very discouraging.

[Ruttiger711]

and what would be the over-all concept here....Eli tore up NE with 17 monster points ?or might it be that our defense shut down a record breaking offensive juggernaut and held them to just 14 points.a team effort indeed , but who were the real heroes ?you folks decide which was the greater accomplishment.

The defense was outstanding that game and you could say they "won sb42" however they did the exact opposite and gave up the lead with under 2 minutes to go. That's not subjective, it's not a matter of perception, luck or anything but what it actually was. They gave up the game winning TD and did anything but actually win the game. The contribution was enormous - they didn't win the game.

It's not a dis on the D - but it's just as foolish as saying it was the offense who LOST the regular season game against the Pats.

[stormblue]

Don't put words in my mouth, I've never knocked the defense from SB42 nor is a comment such as that to be found anywhere in my post.

you are correct...but someone's else's post said that it was the defenses poor play
that resulted in Eli's having to perform an MVP comeback.
i defended the defense and pointed out the over-all ineptitude of the offense.
which is the truth.
then the Eli homers started jumping in ....

you climbed on board way later after things started getting twisted.
if you really don't think that SB wasn't classic "David vs Goliath"
and the defense was the slingshot.....then keep arguing with me.
but that's the gist of it.

if you actually read the whole thread you will see that my original posts
say that i like both players and that i thought Simms should STFU.
and i haven't been comparing Simms vs Eli careers....
only the SB performances were being discussed....which as i pointed
out are one-sided in Phil's favor.

more gold for you. really.

[Rudyy]

Both QB's won us Super Bowls.
Whether Eli is elite or not, it doesn't matter, he has 2 Super Bowls anyway.

Now let's all hug and make up.