Phil Simms: "No, Eli Is Not One Of The Elites....."

[zimonami]

You may disagree with me but I don't think any of those guys are worth a damn.

I agree... as you pointed out, he has had lifetime coaches, Archie and Peyton, who are more impressive than Gilbride, Palmer or Sullivan.

[stormblue]

I didn't intend to be "ungentlemanly" in my previous post comparing the SuperBowl performances. What Phil did in SuperBowl XXI was incredible. However, Eli did go up against a tougher defense in SuperBowl XLII and their head coach was Bill Bellichek.

I wasn't trying to diminish Phil's 1990 season but folks really can't definitively state that we would have blown Buffalo Bills out in SuperBowl if Phil Simms had played the game. Jeff Hosstettler was the QB and he brought a different dynamic to the field. Yes, I like our chances against Buffalo Bills with Phil Simms as QB but I really don't know if we would have beaten them. I tend to think that if Phil were in that game that it would have turned in to a shoot out and I don't think we could have won that way against Buffalo Bills. However, we will never know.

Heck, if Phil didn't get hurt in 1990, he and Eli's 2011 seasons may have been very close. Unfortunately there is no way to tell.

I see your point in regard to the QB coach. However, there are not many QBs in NFL that can read defenses as well as Eli can. Also, Eli has not had a QB coach that is of note since coming in to NFL but I think the point you are making is that the entire field has been revolutionized in the time between Phil and Eli and that Eli has benefited from that. Okay, I can agree with that but lets be honest, Eli has basically had a QB coach since he was a kid in Peyton and Archie.

Plexiglass was Eli's security blanket. He could chuck it to him and Plexiglass would snag it. I am sure that he relied on Plex being able to do that and as painful as it was for Plex to Cheddar Bob himself and mess up our run, it has made Eli become a better QB. However, Eli Manning's adaptability and ability to evolve his game is a great attribute that he has. With the exception of some of the games with Plexiglass, it is very rare that Eli has an off game and wins. That was not the case with Phil. He also had a security blanket that he could hit over the middle and be sure he would make the catch and that was Mark Bavarro.

If one was better than the other is a debate that will go on more than likely till Eli retires but I think we can all agree that we are happy that neither one of our NY Giant QB legends ever had any off the field legal troubles or drama of note.

I like debating with you Rosie, you are a very knowledgable NY Giants fan.

yes we can say that with Phil we woulda easily handled Buffalo.

let us reverse it......if Eli were out and Carr got us a hard fought win against a good team ,
would it not be your contention that the victory would have been easier with Eli.

Hoss was not S Young behind Montanna or A Rodgers behind #4.
he was Tebow gettin' lucky.

Phil had already won 10 games that year ...he was zoned , and would have kicked Buffalo's ice-bucket.

[Drez]

You may disagree with me but I don't think any of those guys are worth a damn.

Then who would be worth a damn if those guys aren't?

[Morehead State]

yes we can say that with Phil we woulda easily handled Buffalo.

let us reverse it......if Eli were out and Carr got us a hard fought win against a good team ,
would it not be your contention that the victory would have been easier with Eli.

Hoss was not S Young behind Montanna or A Rodgers behind #4.
he was Tebow gettin' lucky.

Phil had already won 10 games that year ...he was zoned , and would have kicked Buffalo's ice-bucket.

OK..Hold on here. Hoss was not "Tim Tebow who got lucky" He was a very good back up who went on tho be very productive in Oakland.

Having said that if you watch the replay of SB 25, he didn't play as well as some give him credit. He missed open receivers and was the beneficiary of a great running game and a great defensive game plan. He was far more a game manager in that SB than playmaker.

[zimonami]

I'll always appreciate Hoss for doing a good job.
The defense was crzy in SBXXV. Sometimes only putting 1 or 2 down men on the D Line. Belichek was the genius behind it.
I was at the game with my son. A great day.

[stormblue]

OK..Hold on here. Hoss was not "Tim Tebow who got lucky" He was a very good back up who went on tho be very productive in Oakland.

Having said that if you watch the replay of SB 25, he didn't play as well as some give him credit. He missed open receivers and was the beneficiary of a great running game and a great defensive game plan. He was far more a game manager in that SB than playmaker.

stop nit - pickin' CC , i'm not crushing on Hoss, just pointing out that he was
merely a serviceable QB and i just strongly believe with Simms it would not have
come down to Scott Norwood 's "wide right".

ELI > Carr = Simms > Hoss.

[rebelfan1966]

OK..Hold on here. Hoss was not "Tim Tebow who got lucky" He was a very good back up who went on tho be very productive in Oakland.

Having said that if you watch the replay of SB 25, he didn't play as well as some give him credit. He missed open receivers and was the beneficiary of a great running game and a great defensive game plan. He was far more a game manager in that SB than playmaker.

How do you know Tebow got lucky? I watched him play in college, he has a lot of heart, not a lot of luck.

[rebelfan1966]

"No, he is not one of the elites," Simms said in quotes distributed by CBS. "Because when I hear the word elite, I'm thinking about guys that can make unbelievable plays on the field by themselves. There are very few quarterbacks in that category.

"So yes, Eli has been a tremendous team player. He has been MVP of the Super Bowl twice. I know that. But the way I look at it, the answer is no."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...#ixzz2C8Eaubto

Here we go again.....

I want to know who is the most elite hot dog vendor.....

[GameTime]

I want to know who is the most elite hot dog vendor.....

had guy who sold dirty water dogs out of the back of his station wagon for like 20 years at park by my house. He knew all the kids in town and their siblings. watched us all grow up. His name was Larry......and Larry was Elite.

[gumby74]

this page has a long way to go before it hits the 255 pages the "Ben is better than Eli" thread had. Courtesy of the legendary Giggles.