If you watch any QB week to week, you'll see bad throws, apathetic play, head scratching decisions and so forth.
P.S. - You're insane about Simms ... there's a reason fans wanted to get rid of him even after the 86 season. His best asset was that he was consistent but his level of consistency was fairly mediocre.
Last edited by Kruunch; 11-30-2012 at 08:57 AM.
Im sure Phil does not consider himself one of the Elites of his era either..... I don't think his comments were meant to come across negatively.
If Eli is not elite by virtue of completely screwing up a game (in this case vs CIN), then Rodgers and Brees aren't elite either... Rodgers laid an egg vs us, and I don't need to bring up what Brees just did.
Man, profanity filters these days are so good...
As for Simms career, if you're calling me insane, what do you call Wellington Mara (who's lived his entire life on the football field) and the Giants organization for retiring his jersey? Sorry, but every player and coach that played with him and against him has very high regards for him as a player. I trust these guys and my own eyes over a bunch of clueless fans that would cheer a guy when he's hurt.
I used argue with a couple of guys (prior to 86) about Simms. They would blame him for all our struggles, telling me he was a bum and that he'd NEVER win the big game. Well, after he got done killing it in the big game, they reluctantly had to shut up. The only fans that could have possibly wanted Phil gone after 86 had to be similar fans to these two guys. Someone who thought they knew what they were talking about but didn't.
Last edited by Roosevelt; 11-30-2012 at 12:12 PM.
Torque it till it breaks, then back off a quarter turn.
I think one of the things that we are all kind of skipping over is that becoming great/elite/whatever you want to call it, is a progression. Simms had great games and bad games, Eli has had great games and bad games, all the great qbs have great games and bad games. I agree to say Eli is one of the best qbs to ever play the game is premature, it really is impossible to judge that until we have a complete body of work to look at. To say he is on his way, in my opinion, is a fair statement, but again, that's my opinion, not everyone has to agree with that. I think to say the passing issues are atypical of a great qb is a bit misleading, yes Eli sometimes can be off target, but so can everyone, Bree's did many of the things last night that you mentioned about Eli, throwing a bullet pass on a check down to the rb, one hopping an open wr, ect. As for myself being biased, you might be correct about that, but I have no problem pointing out faults in Eli, I just think that the positive far out ways the negative.