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    Fast Running Backs And Rookie Years

    http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/11/2...d-rookie-years


    Excerpt: "Perhaps the biggest topic in the New York Giants stratosphere is the playing time of rookie running back David Wilson. I started wondering what kind of numbers have recent rookie running backs put up in their first season. I started this post without looking at the data first, so you're coming along for the ride as well as we discover the numbers.

    I'm focusing on high round draft picks, specifically first round players, because those are the players you would expect to make an immediate contribution. And while I'm using the official combine results as some sort of measure, some of my decisions may be arbitrary. Any 1st round picks will be included (as long as they run fast), almost all 2nd round picks will too, and maybe third round picks depending on room. I'm looking for about 25 players (because I don't have all day and I imagine this will be time consuming). I'm also looking at players who run forty yard dashes in 4.50 seconds or much faster.

    I don't think the year is relevant so I didn't include it but I'm not going back any earlier than 2001 and will focus on 2006 through today, so it's recent history
    Player/Team Weight 40 Time Round Attempts Yards Y.P.C. TD
    Chris Johnson /Titans 197 4.24 1 251 1228 4.9 9
    C.J. Spiller /Bills 196 4.27 1 74 283 3.8 0
    Darren McFadden /Raiders 211 4.33 1 113 499 4.4 4
    Jahvid Best /Lions 199 4.34 1 171 332 3.2 4
    Ben Tate /Texans 220 4.34 2nd INJURED INJ INJ INJ
    Rashar Mendenhall /Steelers* 225 4.41 1st 19 58 3.1 0
    DeMarco Murray /Cowboys 213 4.37 3rd 164 897 5.5 2
    Ryan Matthews /Chargers 218 4.37 1st 158 678 4.3 7
    Michael Bennet ('01) /Vikings 207 4.38 1st 172 682 4.0 2
    Maurice Jones Drew /Jaguars 207 4.39 2nd 166 944 5.7 13
    Adrian Peterson /Vikings 217 4.40 1st 238 1341 5.6 12
    Joseph Addai /Colts 214 4.40 1st 226 1081 4.8 7
    Deuce Mcallister /Saints** 222 4.41 1st 16 91 5.7 1
    Cadallic Williams /Buccaneers 217 4.43 1st 290 1178 4.1 6
    Felilx Jones /Cowboys*** 207 4.44 1st 30 266 8.9 3
    Donald Brown /Colts 210 4.46 1st 78 281 3.6 3
    Jonathan Stewart /Panthers 235 4.46 1st 184 386 4.5 10
    Marshawn Lynch /Seahawks 215 4.46 1st 280 1115 4.0 7****
    David Wilson /Giants 206 4.41** 1st 18 89 4.9 1
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    so ...most of them got 10 or more touches per game in their rookie season.
    the pen is said to be mightier than the sword.....
    but when is the last time your sword ran out of ink ?

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    Are we assuming they all played 16 games except for those mentioned specifically who did not? I'm not sure how you can make a comparison since this season isn't over yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    Are we assuming they all played 16 games except for those mentioned specifically who did not? I'm not sure how you can make a comparison since this season isn't over yet.
    yes i did assume 16....and then noticed that most of them had 160 touches or more.
    so about 10 touches per game average.
    if they played less games the touches per game would be more of course ,
    but 10 is the minimum ....and wilson is only averaging 2
    the pen is said to be mightier than the sword.....
    but when is the last time your sword ran out of ink ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormblue View Post
    yes i did assume 16....and then noticed that most of them had 160 touches or more.
    so about 10 touches per game average.
    if they played less games the touches per game would be more of course ,
    but 10 is the minimum ....and wilson is only averaging 2
    True, so far. So we need to see what his numbers are after week 17 to know for sure. I'm not holding my breath that he's going to start getting 10+ snaps per game down the stretch, but if they put plays in for him and he excels, they will keep doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    True, so far. So we need to see what his numbers are after week 17 to know for sure. I'm not holding my breath that he's going to start getting 10+ snaps per game down the stretch, but if they put plays in for him and he excels, they will keep doing that.
    hey 'Noak....i've been meaning to ask you about that...
    why do we need special plays for him ....
    why wouldn't he just learn the same plays all the other backs use.
    the pen is said to be mightier than the sword.....
    but when is the last time your sword ran out of ink ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormblue View Post
    hey 'Noak....i've been meaning to ask you about that...
    why do we need special plays for him ....
    why wouldn't he just learn the same plays all the other backs use.
    I don't know for sure, but I believe they really want to get him on the field and, for whatever reason(s), don't think he can excel in the current playbook. Most here poo poo the fact that they've gone to those lengths, but, to me, it shows they still have confidence in his running ir not his entire body of work.

    I don't think it's the "plays" as much as the reads and Cruz had trouble with that as well early on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    I don't know for sure, but I believe they really want to get him on the field and, for whatever reason(s), don't think he can excel in the current playbook. Most here poo poo the fact that they've gone to those lengths, but, to me, it shows they still have confidence in his running ir not his entire body of work.

    I don't think it's the "plays" as much as the reads and Cruz had trouble with that as well early on.
    ok...thanx for your input.
    the pen is said to be mightier than the sword.....
    but when is the last time your sword ran out of ink ?

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