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    NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP: WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 20, 2011 - 2:30 P.M.

    HERE NOW THE NEWS

    THE DATA WILL UPDATE THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND SHOW THE UPDATE TIME IN THE HEADER.


    NEWARK STAR LEDGER

    JETS, GIANTS TALK TRASSH, WHILE RES RYAN TAKES JABS AT TOM COUGHLIN

    "The first words bandied back and forth between the Giants and Jets came at 11 a.m. today, of course — the
    appointed time for Tom Coughlin to meet reporters each Wednesday.


    “I just say, regardless of the talk, it will be decided at one o’clock
    Saturday afternoon,” Coughlin said. “Talk is cheap, play the game. That is the
    way I’ve always believed.”




    That’s how the Giants coach prefers it: He would like his team to let its
    play on the field do the talking. And that was Coughlin’s attempt to defuse the
    hoopla surrounding Jets coach Rex Ryan’s declarations earlier in the week that
    his team is better than the Giants and isn’t going to play “little brother” to
    anyone.




    As it turned out, Coughlin just earned another jab from Ryan.




    “Well yeah, that’s the old saying, ‘Talk is cheap, money buys whiskey.’ I
    understand that,” Ryan said about three hours later, when made aware of
    Coughlin’s comments. “And that’s the truth, but I don’t care about Tom Coughlin
    or anybody else. I know what I believe and I don’t care if it’s acceptable and
    everybody — I really don’t care. I’m worried about my opinion, this is how I
    feel and quite honestly I could care less what anybody thinks.”




    Though Coughlin has predictably steered clear of direct banter, a few of his
    players engaged in the verbal game today — much of it about trash talk itself.




    Brandon Jacobs, who received a degree in sociology from Fairleigh ****inson,
    offered his diagnosis of Ryan’s bombastic nature.




    “I think they’re trying to fulfill something, put something in people that
    may not be there,” Jacobs said.




    “Chirp if you want,” said Giants offensive tackle Kareem McKenzie, a former
    Jet. “That’s up to the individual that wants to go ahead and talk. I don’t think
    it’ll have any outcome on the game itself.




    “Unless he’s going to suit up, I don’t really see any difference.”




    Coughlin won’t be in uniform either come Saturday, but each coach’s
    philosophies have been on full display this week.



    “Whatever Coach Ryan has to do to get his players motivated to play, I’m with
    that,” said Jacobs, who added he sometimes uses an opponent’s trash talk as
    motivation, depending on the situation, and likely would engage more often if he
    played for Ryan.




    “That’s what he chooses to do, that’s how he handles his team. He and Coach
    Coughlin are two different guys that handle their teams differently.”




    Since Ryan arrived in early 2009, he has had few secret goals. One of those
    has been to turn New Jersey and New York into Jets territory. And this week, he
    pointed out how his team had reached the past two AFC Championship games while
    the Giants missed the playoffs.




    But for McKenzie, that isn’t enough to claim territorial supremacy — not when
    the Jets haven’t won a Super Bowl in more than 40 years.




    “Which team has had the most recent success in terms of winning a
    championship?” McKenzie asked a reporter.




    The Giants, the reporter responded.




    “Plain and simple, there it is.”




    He then continued.




    “When you say most successful, have they accomplished the goal of winning a
    championship?” he asked, alluding to Ryan’s repeated guarantees of winning the
    Super Bowl.




    No, the reporter said.




    “Well, both teams have fallen short then.”




    While Saturday’s meeting will have everything an NFL showdown could have — a
    turf war with playoff ramifications late in the season — don’t expect a Jets
    takeover anytime soon, no matter the result. Or so says Jacobs.




    “They’re going to need a hell of a lot more than this game to make that
    happen.”

    ANTREL ROLLE SAYS TEAM IS FLASHING ENERGY AT PRACTICE

    "After the disappointing loss
    to the Washington Redskins
    in which they showed little fire at times, the Giants seemed to be motivated during
    today’s practice. During the portion open to the media (individual drills only),
    the players and coaches were energetic and encouraging of one another.


    It apparently continued for the entire session.




    “Everyone was flying around. The energy level was top-notch,” safety Antrel
    Rolle said.




    “That’s something that we need to have day in and day out and not let it fade
    away no matter what the circumstances are.”




    Rolle indicated there was a new message being spread this week.




    “Just more energy and everybody hold everyone else more accountable,” he
    said.




    “If you need to pick another guy up a little bit, pick him up. If you need to
    critique him a little bit, that’s fine, go and critique him. But we need to as a
    collective effort and that’s something (Coughlin has) been putting a lot of
    emphasis on this week.”




    ?In a development that should please Rolle, who said
    everyone needs to practice, RB Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) put in limited time today
    after Coughlin indicated he wouldn’t work at all.




    Bradshaw had been practicing only one day per week as he manages a stress
    fracture in his foot.




    Also likely pleasing Rolle was DE Justin Tuck’s practicing and not being
    listed on the injury report.




    With TE Jake Ballard (knee) sidelined, the Giants need TEs
    Travis Beckum (chest) and Bear Pascoe (ribs) to play on Saturday. Both practiced
    today.




    Beckum said he doesn’t have a break in the sternoclavicular joint, but it was
    “too sore” for him to play against Washington. “I didn’t have full range of
    motion,” he said.




    Pascoe said tests revealed no break in his ribs. He suffered the injury when
    he was bent backward by several Redskins defenders after making a catch.

    RB D.J. Ware (knee) was a surprise addition to the injury
    report. He didn’t practice, though indications are his issue isn’t serious.


    WR Devin Thomas (neck) practiced only a few days after being
    carted off on a stretcher. He merely suffered a burner, though he wasn’t sure at
    first that was the case.




    “I’ll say like 2 minutes before I could really get my motions back,” he said.
    “It wasn’t severe as I thought it was.”


    JETS' PLAXICO BURRESS HOPES TO GET INTO END ZONE AGAINST FORMER TEAM

    Excerpt; "Plaxico Burress wants to win this week's game against the Giants to help the
    Jets' playoff chances. The Jets receiver also wouldn't mind putting on a show
    against his ex-team.


    "I definitely want to get in the end zone once, twice, maybe 3 or 4," Burress
    said. "I’m going to try to play lights-out football. My goal is to go out and
    play the best game I’ve played to this date, this season, from a personal
    standpoint, and more from a what we need as a team (perspective). If we want to
    get into the playoffs and make the run that we believe we can, we need to go out
    and play our best football."




    Burress played four of his 10 seasons for the Giants. After serving a
    20-month prison sentence for illegal gun possession, he visited with a handful
    of teams, including the Giants and the Steelers, but picked the Jets. This week,
    does he hope to make the Giants wish he were still on their roster?




    "They know what type of player I am, there’s no doubt about it," Burress
    said. "The coaches that are over there, some of the players, they know me in
    games like this. When your back is against the wall and all those kind of
    things, I think they know what kind of effort they are going to get out of me on
    Saturday." Read more...

    GIANTS' CENTER DAVID BAAS WILL START AGAINST JETS

    "In a development that really shouldn't surprise anyone, David Baas will
    return to the starting lineup as the Giants' center on Saturday against the Jets, according to someone informed of the
    team's plans for the offensive line.


    The person, who requested anonymity, said Baas isn't experiencing any major
    issues after practicing in a limited capacity today. He'd been sidelined the
    past three games with neck issues that led to intense headaches.




    The Giants rushed for 301 yards in the three games without Baas, the
    free-agent acquisition who has dealt with multiple
    injuries and a quick adjustment
    period this season. Kevin Boothe, who filled
    in at center, will likely slide to left guard. Mitch Petrus, the second-year
    lineman who has done an admirable job, will head back to the bench.




    Of course, things could change if Baas suddenly experiences issues once
    again. But for now, the
    $27.5-million man
    is on his way back to the middle of the Giants' line.




    I repeat: $27.5 million. Though the Giants have done well in his absence, you
    don't pay a guy that kind of money to sit on the bench.




    * * * *




    RB Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) did some work in practice today after all. He was
    listed as being limited.




    Also limited: Baas, TEs Travis Beckum (chest) and Bear Pascoe (ribs), WR
    Devin Thomas (neck) and S Derrick Martin (back).




    A surprise addition to the injury report was RB D.J. Ware (knee). It's
    unclear how serious his issue is.




    Players who also didn't practice: TE Jake Ballard (knee), WR Mario Manningham
    (knee), DE Osi Umenyiora (ankle/knee) and LB Mark Herzlich (ankle). Manningham
    said he will play.




    * * * *




    For the Jets, these players were limited: WR Plaxico Burress (illness), DB
    Marquice Cole (knee), DL Mike DeVito (knee), RB Joe McKnight (shoulder/elbow),
    OL Brandon Mooore (hip) and DB Eric Smith (knee).




    WR Jeremy Kerley (illness) did not practice."

    JETS' COACH REX RYAN: "I DON'T CARE ABOUT TOM COUGHLIN OR ANYONE ELSE, I KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE

    Excerpt: "Earlier today, when Tom Coughlin was asked about the first round of Rex
    Ryan's bravado, he offered this:



    "I just say, regardless of the talk, it will be decided at one o’clock
    Saturday afternoon. Regardless of what is said. Talk is cheap, play the game,"
    he said. "That is the way I’ve always believed."


    NY Jets head coach Rex Ryan talks about
    Saturday's upcoming showdown with the Giants and makes a case for Jet fans to
    wear green to MetLife Stadium. 12-21-11 (video by Tim Farrell/The
    Star-Ledger)
    Watch video






    When notified of the "talk is cheap" comments, Ryan once again defended
    the way he's approaching this game
    . On Monday, he said that the Jets have
    undoubtedly been the best team in New York over the last two years and on
    Tuesday, Ryan said that if the Jets lose to the Giants the blame would fall
    squarely on his shoulders.




    "Well yeah, that's the old saying 'talk is cheap, money buys whiskey' I
    understand that," Ryan said. "And that's the truth but I don't care about Tom
    Coughlin or anybody else. I know what I believe and I don't care of it's
    acceptable and everybody -- I really don't care. I'm worried about my opinion,
    this is how I feel and quite honestly I could care less what anybody thinks."




    Ryan began to drum up fan sentiment for the game, opening his press
    conference by encouraging Jets supporters to make it as much of a home field
    advantage as possible. He said that the fans will be given white towels to wave
    and that he hoped it would be an atmosphere similar to the 37-0 regular-season
    finale win over the Bengals in 2009 that propelled the team into the playoffs.




    When asked if anyone in a blue shirt should be stopped at the gate, Ryan said
    he would normally pop off on something like that, but that he'd hold his tongue
    this time.


    ##

    JETS' MARK BRUNELL COMPARES TOM COUGHLIN, REX RYAN

    "Nineteen-year NFL veteran Mark Brunell is one of the few men who have played
    under both Tom Coughlin and Rex Ryan as head coaches. The Jets back-up quarterback confirmed the
    obvious today: Their styles could not be more different.


    "There are a lot of differences, but this is a great working environment, as
    was Tom's," Brunell said. "Every coach has their own, unique style, and maybe
    those guys are on the end of each spectrum. But it's been a real honor playing
    for both of those guys."




    Brunell is in his second year with the Jets, backing up starter Mark Sanchez.
    He and Coughlin spent eight years together in Jacksonville, the starting
    quarterback and coach during the expansion franchise's inaugural season. The
    Jacksonville Jaguars traded with the Green Bay Packers for Brunell in 1995, and
    he would go on to make three Pro Bowls while with the team.




    "He was the coach that gave me a shot," Brunell said of Coughlin. "Obviously
    I have a lot of admiration for him."



    Asked what the coaches' specific differences are, Brunell pointed out that
    Ryan is a defensive coach and Coughlin is an offensive coach, which he said
    marked the biggest difference for a quarterback.




    "There was a time when he was calling plays when I was down there, and so
    naturally the starting quarterback gets a lot of time with the guy who is
    calling plays," Brunell said.




    Brunell called both Ryan and Coughlin "quality guys" and "excellent head
    coaches." Ex-Jets and current Giants
    punter Steve Weatherford is another player who has played for both coaches."

    BART SCOTT SAYS HE COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT THE GIANTS-JETS RIVALRY, THAT "IT'S ABOUT GETTING TO THE PLAYOFFS"

    Excerpt: "Bart Scott offered as good a reason as any for not caring about the rivalry
    between the Jets and Giants and sticking to a more singular
    focus.


    "Personally, I could care less about that," Scott said. "I spent a lot of
    money in the offseason, I'm depending on these playoff checks to get me by.




    "I'm just playing, I mean, it's about getting to the playoffs. I could care
    less about the Jets-Giants thing, maybe if this was some other time maybe it
    would be more important earlier in the season but right now it's about the
    playoffs."




    The sentiment was laid out by linebackers coach Bob Sutton in the team
    meeting today. Offering a bit of perspective, he posed a simple question to his
    players — one that had nothing to do with New York/New Jersey supremacy or
    territorial bragging rights.




    "If at the beginning of the year, Roger Goodell said 'Hey you have two games
    to win and you're in the playoffs, would you take that deal?" Scott said. "And
    everybody I think had a unanimous yes. Two games to get to the tournament,
    that's all you can ask for."




    Scott said the team did not feel the need to bury another game ball like they
    did following the last time they surrendered 45 points in a horrid, late-season
    loss. Instead, the message stayed simple, just like Sutton told them." Read more...

    GIANTS INJURY REPORT INCLUDES AHMAD BRADSHAW BUT NOT JUSTIN TUCK

    "After the Giants’ frustrating loss to
    the Washington Redskins on Sunday, Antrel Rolle said players need to practice
    through injuries if they want to play on game day. A day later, Rolle insisted
    he didn’t have specific teammates in mind — even if only two players fit his
    description: Ahmad Bradshaw and Justin Tuck, both of whom didn’t practice until
    last Friday.


    It looks like Bradshaw will be alone this week. Tuck did not appear on the
    pre-practice injury report released today by the Giants — a telling sign for his
    chances to play Saturday against the Jets.




    Following Sunday’s disappointing loss to the Redskins, Tuck said he felt
    good. During his weekly radio interview on WFAN Monday, he said he’ll play on
    Christmas Eve.




    “I’m playing,” he said. “I’m done talking about injuries. ... [I’m]
    definitely trying to be Santa Claus on Saturday [for Giants fans].”




    Bradshaw and nine other players, however, did appear on the list. All
    indications point to Bradshaw participating in the week’s final practice ? this
    week, that is Thursday — on a limited basis and playing Saturday.



    C Davis Baas (neck) is still on the injury report, as are all three of the
    Giants’ tight ends — Jake Ballard (knee), Travis Beckum (chest) and Bear Pascoe
    (ribs).




    WR Mario Manningham (knee), WR Devin Thomas (neck), LB Mark Herzlich (ankle),
    DE Osi Umenyiora (ankle/knee), S Derrick Martin (back) also are on the injury
    report."

    REX RYAN SAYS IF JETS LOSE TO GIANTS, BLAME IS ALL ON HIM

    Excerpt: "Rex Ryan chose to approach the team's biggest game of the season — and most
    meaningful matchup with the neighboring Giants in series history — with the same
    level of confidence he has in any other game.


    And today, he added that if the Jets
    lose, the blame will all fall on him.




    "I know it's going to fall on one person, and that's the way it should be,"
    Ryan said. "It's coming right on top of me and that's fine. And when we win, it
    will be about the Jets and that's where I want the attention to be. If we lose,
    it's coming right down on me and I can handle it. I hope I don't have to."




    It is the same type of big-game rhetoric he used before, making last year's
    Indianapolis Colts game a matchup between himself and Peyton Manning and last
    year's New England Patriots game Ryan vs. Bill Belichick.




    But with a playoff spot likely on the line, Ryan said he's just being honest.




    "I think anybody that is in a similar situation would really be (embracing
    the game like this). The truth of the matter is, you feel like you have to win
    this game," Ryan said. "I feel like I have to win this game because I put it out
    there, I want to be the better team in our city. There's no doubt. I want to be
    the team that people talk about, that are interested in and you do that by
    winning.




    "And that's who I want to be, and I want to be the best team in the NFL. It's
    not just in this city, but clearly when you have two teams that share the same
    name and share the same stadium, it's much bigger than that and I realize it."




    Ryan
    started the inevitable back-and-forth Monday
    by issuing the first batch of
    bravado, saying that the Jets have clearly been the better team over the past
    two years. He reiterated as much today, saying that he's never gone into a game
    feeling below an opponent." Read more...

    GIANTS-JETS HOT TOPIC, WHO'S THE BETTER COACH: RYAN OR COUGHLIN

    "One, Jets' coach Rex Ryan, is big, brash and seems
    to go out of his way to stir up trouble, as he did Monday
    . The other,
    Giants coach Tom Coughlin, is smaller, tight-lipped and makes
    discipline - his own and others' - a central tenet of his reign. It's tough to
    imagine a pair of coaches more opposite in style, yet Rex Ryan and Tom Coughlin
    share the crucible of the metro region, share a stadium and this
    week share a game that neither team can afford to lose
    .



    So we ask Giants and Jets fans today, who's the better coach? We'll leave the
    criteria and the judging up to you - both to vote in our poll and also to
    explain your opinion in comments below - but here are a few nuts-and-bolts
    points in comparison.










    Thank you for voting!


    Tom Coughlin 78.43% (578
    votes)



    Rex Ryan 21.57% (159
    votes)




    Total Votes: 737





    They both win. Ryan is now 28-18 (.609) and in his third season as a head
    coach. He is 4-2 in the playoffs, with two straight AFC Championship losses and
    some unkept promises on his record. Coughlin is 140-114 (.551) most of the way
    through his 16th season, 72-54 (.571) with the Giants. He has a 8-7 playoff
    record (4-3 with the Giants) and the 2007 Giants Super Bowl win to his credit.
    To our knowledge, he hasn't made any public promises about where the Giants are
    going.


    So you make the call, and you decide the terms on which you make that call -
    who's the better coach, Rex Ryan or Tom Coughlin? Vote in our poll and explain
    your vote below."


    NY DAILY NEWS

    CHRISTMAS EVE GAME BETWEEN GIANTS AND JETS BIGGEST ONE SINCE EPIC 1988 CLASH

    Excerpt: "The last time two teams from around here played a game against each other
    that mattered, truly, as much as Giants-Jets does on Saturday was Game 5 of the
    Subway Series between the Yankees and the Mets. In so many ways, because the
    game does matter so much to both of them, this is as close as we have ever had
    to the Giants and Jets going against each other in the playoffs, which means as
    close as we have come so far to a Subway Super Bowl.



    So this isn’t about the way the Giants and Jets are playing right now, it is
    about the game they play against each other on Saturday.




    The Yankees and Mets play each other every summer, but the stakes aren’t what
    they will be at MetLife Stadium on Christmas Eve.

    The Nets swept the
    Knicks in the playoffs in 2004, but the Knicks were nothing that year. Rangers
    vs. Islanders was big a long time ago, and we all know what Rangers vs. Devils
    was like in the spring of 1994, even if those two teams haven’t played more than
    a five-game series since.




    By now you know that the biggest regular-season game the Giants and Jets
    played before this was Dec. 18, 1988, Ken O’Brien
    to Al
    Toon
    over Tom Flynn with 37 seconds
    left, the Jets already out of the playoffs at 7-7-1, effectively knocking the
    Giants out of the playoffs that year.




    But you better know something else: That some of the most famous New York
    Giants of them all still remember that one pretty good.




    “Here’s all you need to know about how much that loss hurt,” Phil
    Simms
    said Tuesday. “Even though our record wasn’t that great that year
    (10-5 going in), I didn’t just think we were gonna make the playoffs. I thought
    we were gonna win another Super Bowl.”




    Simms: “When we scored (just under five minutes left), me to Lionel Manuel in the
    back of the end zone, I thought we’d won the game.”




    Bill Parcells is more
    than willing to pick up the rest of the story from there:




    “The first disaster after we score is the Jets getting that big kick return
    (out to their 48). After that, the play I still remember best was the pass to
    Shuler.” Read more...

    TEN QUESTIONS FOR THE BIG GIANTS-JETS GAME BY NY BEAT WRITERS

    "Jets beat writer Manish Mehta and
    Giants beat writer Ralph Vacchiano
    look at the burning issues heading into Saturday’s
    showdown.




    1. When it’s all over, who’ll be the bigger star
    in New York, Mark Sanchez or Eli
    Manning
    ?


    Vacchiano: You know what makes a star in this town?
    Winning. Looks, personality, magazine covers, the ‘it factor’ – none of it
    matters if you don’t produce. Eli Manning won a Super Bowl in dramatic fashion
    and now he’s peaking while putting up video game-like numbers, carrying a team
    on his back. He may eventually be the greatest quarterback this town has ever
    seen. He’s not going to wear pantyhose or date super models or, you know, be
    interesting at all. But who cares? He’s an elite player with a
    ring.

    Mehta: Ralph raises a great point: Winning trumps all. That’s why
    it’s hard to argue that Sanchez, who is only one of five quarterbacks in the
    Super Bowl era to win 30+ games in his first three years as a starter, is not
    destined for great things in his career. Manning was an inaccurate,
    turnover-prone signal caller before he found his way. Sanchez, meanwhile, has
    already won an NFL record-tying four road playoff games in his first two
    seasons. Vacchiano is just jealous that he doesn’t have a Dolce & Gabbana
    tank top and tight white Gucci pants in his closet like
    Sanchez.

    2. Who would you rather cover, Rex Ryan or Tom
    Coughlin
    ?


    Mehta: Put it this way: How many times have you
    seen Tom Coughlin wear a wig and stuff a pillow under his sweatshirt at a press
    conference? That’s what I thought. Rex Ryan may be the most entertaining coach
    in pro sports. He’s engaging, brutally honest and a quote machine. His candor
    and bluster make him a walking back page. But don’t be fooled. He’s as smart as
    they come. Rex knows exactly what he’s doing, and saying, 99% of the
    time.

    Vacchiano: Well, I guess it’s hard to beat wearing wigs and making
    fun of overweight people — and I’d pay to see Coughlin dress up like Andy
    Reid
    — but seriously Manish, didn’t Ryan’s act grow tiresome around Super
    Bowl Guarantee #37? How many times can you write the same thing? Coughlin may be
    dull and sometimes ornery, but we cover the NFL, not the circus. Yes, Rex is
    much more exciting. The run to Super Bowl XLII was pretty exciting,
    too.

    3. Who has the bigger mouth, Bart Scott or Antrel
    Rolle
    ?


    Vacchiano: At the end of the day, Antrel Rolle might
    have even leaped over Rex Ryan here, not to mention Bart Scott. Rolle’s weekly
    WFAN spots are comedy gold (unintended, of course). Rolle once ripped the
    Giants’ travel schedule. He’s hammered injured players for not practicing. He
    manages to criticize teammates without ever mentioning their names. He shows
    more fire, intensity and passion with the media than the Giants’ defense usually
    does on game day. He loves to talk. Come to think of it, how did the Jets not
    sign him?

    Mehta: Nobody takes greater pride in having the most
    swaggerlicious mouth in town than Bart Scott. But he’s taken a decidedly
    un-Bart-like approach this year with the media, preferring to “let his pads do
    the talking.” Unfortunately, those pads aren’t nearly as entertaining. Despite
    the uncharacteristic reticence, Scott’s mouth will likely have plenty of juice
    if the Jets make the postseason. "Can’t wait!"

    4. Who’s the most
    underrated player in New York?


    Mehta: Can Brandon Moore get a
    sniff at the Pro Bowl? The veteran right guard has toiled in virtual anonymity
    for years. Nick Mangold and D’Brickashaw
    Ferguson
    , both past All-Pro selections, are the offensive linemen that get
    most of the ink. Moore is the forgotten man. To steal a Seinfeld-ism, he’s like
    the third tenor that nobody knows: Placido Domingo, Luciano Pavarotti
    . . . and the other guy. Moore is a run-blocking force with 119 consecutive
    starts who deserves a trip to Hawaii.

    Vacchiano: If you’re going to argue
    for an offensive lineman from the 21st-ranked rushing attack in the NFL, then
    I’ll beat you by taking a corner from the NFL’s 29th-ranked passing defense. Corey Webster played
    like an All-Pro in the first half, but gets no publicity because he doesn’t have
    his own “Island.” It’s been a rough second half for the Giants’ secondary, but
    Webster might be the only bright spot in that mess.

    5. Who’s the
    most overrated player in New York?


    Vacchiano: How could it not
    be Mark Sanchez? He gets credit for leading his team to back-to-back AFC
    Championship Games when he was just along for the ride, really. This year, while
    the Jets have rallied from a hideous Week 10 loss in Denver by going 3-1, he has
    averaged 169 passing yards per game. They’re winning despite him. When do we get
    to see the big step forward that everyone keeps forecasting for the 2009
    fifth-overall pick?

    Mehta: Only in New York could a QB with four playoff
    wins in his first two seasons be deemed overrated. That’s weak, Vacchiano. Real
    weak. The truth of the matter is that Ahmad Bradshaw isn’t
    nearly as pivotal to the Giants’ success as Big Blue fans would like you to
    believe. He’s seemingly banged up all the time (missed four games earlier this
    season) and has a robust 3.9 yards per carry. Other than last season, he’s never
    rushed for more than 778 yards. Bradshaw is a quality back in a time-share
    situation, nothing more.

    6. Who who would you want coaching your
    team in a big game, Rex Ryan or Tom Coughlin?


    Mehta: Sometimes
    Rex’s mouth detracts from this reality: The man can flat-out coach. He has won
    some of the biggest games in franchise history during his first two years at the
    helm. It’s funny how a guy who has reached two AFC Championship Games in his
    first two years as a head coach in this league can be criticized as much as Ryan
    has been at times. How many coaches have beaten Peyton Manning and
    Tom
    Brady
    in back-to-back playoff games? Ryan did it just last
    season.

    Vacchiano: Does Ryan work some kind of Jedi-mind tricks on the
    media? Don’t you remember what Coughlin did to Tom Brady and Co. back in Super
    Bowl XLII? That whole run was filled with some all-time big-game coaching jobs.
    Coughlin is a brilliant football mind and his preparation is second to none.
    Sure, he’s had some big-game failures (as has Ryan, in case you forgot) and
    those second-half collapses are a thorn. In one big game, Ryan may be the better
    master motivator, but I’ll take Coughlin’s prepared, tactical
    mind.

    7. Which maligned coordinator has a better chance of
    returning: Jets offensive coordinator Brian
    Schottenheimer
    or Giants defensive coordinator Perry
    Fewell
    ?


    Vacchiano: For better and worse, Tom Coughlin is
    loyal to his assistants and it’s unlikely he’ll make a change that would result
    in the team’s fourth defensive coordinator in five years. That said, Fewell
    doesn’t deserve to be fired. Yeah, his defense ranks 29th, but he’s lost half
    his squad to injuries. Also, he’s not the one blowing coverages and missing
    tackles. Fewell’s not going anywhere.

    Mehta: The Schottenheimer haters
    will certainly hate this stat: The Jets have the No. 7 scoring offense in the
    league (24.7 ppg). He’s likely safe if the Jets make the playoffs this year.
    Schottenheimer has been linked to the Dolphins head coaching vacancy, so he may
    leave on his own accord.

    8. Which team has a better chance to
    make a Super Bowl run?


    Mehta: This is the ultimate no-brainer.
    The Jets have the playoff experience to make a run to Indianapolis if they sneak
    into the playoffs. It won’t be easy, but consider that a possible first-round
    matchup against the Texans looms. Does T.J. Yates scare
    anybody? I don’t think so. It’ll be a tough road in the divisional round, but
    would you be surprised if the Jets played — and beat — the Patriots? I seem to
    remember Gang Green pulling that off not long ago.

    Vacchiano: This is a
    passing league now, and to win a championship you need a championship
    quarterback. The Giants have one. The Jets don’t. The Jets’ path to the Super
    Bowl might be easier because they won’t have to go through New Orleans and Green
    Bay, but the Giants have the offense to stick with anyone. Manning has been on
    fire most of the season. If he gets hot again, the Giants can ride him pretty
    far. Can the Jets say the same about their quarterback?

    9. Who’s
    going to win Saturday’s intra-city clash?


    Vacchiano: All season
    long the Giants have been waiting until the last possible moment to turn it on,
    and they’ve reached the last moment because a loss could end their playoff
    dreams. They have a big matchup problem with their porous secondary against the
    Jets’ receivers, but they have a huge advantage where it counts – at
    quarterback. This game will come down to the fourth quarter, and in the fourth
    I’ll take Manning over Sanchez by a mile. Giants 27, Jets 24.

    Mehta: The
    Giants’ defense is absolutely putrid, so look for Santonio Holmes, Plaxico Burress and
    Dustin Keller to have
    quality games. The Jets have proven in the past two seasons that they deliver
    down the stretch in must-win situations. Manning will face one of his toughest
    challenges getting the ball to his receivers on the outside against Darrelle Revis and
    Antonio
    Cromartie
    . It’ll be a white knuckler, but the Jets will win the (sort of)
    coveted Snoopy Trophy. Jets 24, Giants 20.

    10. Is this a Jets
    town or a Giants town?




    Mehta: There’s no debating that the Giants have had a more successful and
    rich tradition, but we live in a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately society.
    There’s no doubt that Rex Ryan has captivated this town in his three seasons in
    charge. The Jets are back-page gold, always colorful and entertaining. Oh, and
    they’ve won four playoff games in Ryan’s first two seasons. The bottom line is
    that younger fans gravitate toward the Jets.

    Vacchiano: You know, Manish,
    I’m happy to cede the back pages to the Jets. The Giants had their fill of them
    in 2007. But can the Jets please win something before we paint everything green?
    It’s been, what, 43 years of false starts and broken promises? Hype and flash
    can get a lot of attention, but substance still matters. A team can’t talk its
    way into a city’s heart. At some point, it needs to walk the walk – right down
    the Canyon of Heroes, like the Giants did four years
    ago."

    JUSTIN TUCK IS EXPECTED TO PRACTICE TODAY

    Excerpt: "Antrel Rolle will be
    pleased.



    Justin Tuck, who has
    battled through injuries all season and missed most of practice last week
    because of an injured toe, is expected to practice with the Giants Wednesday. He
    was not listed on the pre-practice injury report the team issued on Tuesday,
    meaning they expect him to be ready to go.




    That list is subject to change since the Giants weren’t required to release
    an official report after a light practice on Tuesday. It’s interesting, though,
    considering how hurt Tuck looked on Sunday and how Rolle ripped into some
    unnamed injured teammates after the loss to the Redskins for not practicing
    during the week, but playing on Sunday.




    Rolle never mentioned Tuck specifically and said the next day his anger
    wasn’t directed “to anyone in particular.”




    Even if Tuck is back, the Giants will still have plenty of injured players on
    the sidelines. All three of their tight ends are on the injury report – Jake
    Ballard
    (knee), Travis Beckum (chest)
    and Bear Pascoe (ribs).
    Ballard is not expected to play against the Jets on Saturday.




    Also expected to either miss practice or be limited are: C David
    Baas
    (neck), RB Ahmad Bradshaw
    (foot), LB Mark Herzlich
    (ankle), WR Mario
    Manningham
    (knee), WR Devin Thomas
    (neck), S Derrick Martin
    (back), and DE Osi Umenyiora
    (ankle/knee). Umenyiora is not expected to play against the Jets either,
    according to a source.




    BOLEY PROBE BEGINS
    The investigation into allegations
    that Giants LB Michael Boley
    abused his 5-year-old son has apparently just begun, according to Jimmie
    Harp
    , the District Attorney in Etowah County, Ala.




    Harp told the Associated Press on Tuesday, “We’ve just been presented with
    some allegations that there was some child abuse inflicted on one of his kids
    here in Gadsden (Ala.).” Harp added that the accusations were made by the
    child’s mother, and that he has not yet interviewed Boley.




    Boley’s lawyer told the Daily News on Saturday that the mother never brought
    up the allegations during a child support hearing and has not asked authorities
    to restrict Boley’s visits with his son.




    RECORD CHASE
    Victor Cruz has 1,194
    receiving yards and needs just 150 in the final two games to break Amani
    Toomer
    ’s club record of 1,343 (set in 2002). But Hakeem Nicks is only
    98 yards behind Cruz with 1,096 receiving yards this season. He needs 248 yards
    to break Toomer’s mark."

    JETS LEARN THEY MAY NOT FEEL AT HOME ON SATURDAY AGAINST GIANTS

    Excerpt: "By late Tuesday afternoon, there were 2,345 tickets left on sale for the big
    game Saturday on StubHub, priced at anywhere from $38.50 to $6,050 apiece. There
    were another 1,277 available on eBay, and then 1,998 remaining on NFL Ticket
    Exchange, selling for anywhere from $199 to $10,000.



    This is a Jet home game on Saturday, but anybody who pretends to know who
    will actually show up at MetLife Stadium is kidding himself. It’s Christmas Eve.
    There are bills to be paid, relatives to pick up at the airport, and experience
    would indicate there will be plenty of enemy jerseys in the stands, rooting
    against the designated home team.




    How much do Jet fans love their team? We’re about to find out, around kickoff
    time on Saturday, whether Lawrence Taylor was
    right years ago when he said Jet fans are just Giant fans who can’t get Giant
    tickets.




    “I hope the Jet fans keep their tickets,” Rex Ryan said. “But I
    understand it’s Christmas time and all that stuff. If the price is right, I’m
    sure it’ll be tough not to let those things go. Obviously, there are going to be
    a lot of Giants fans in the stadium, we expect that. At the end of it, all that
    matters is that the Jet fans leave the game happy and the Giant fans leave the
    game sad.”




    But it’s more than that, isn’t it?




    For all the pressure on the Jet players to prove they are no longer the
    junior varsity around here, there is also a considerable burden on their fans to
    demonstrate loyalty to Gang Green and a lack of fidelity toward family duties
    and the onrushing Christmas holiday.




    Fair or not, the Jets aren’t the only ones expected to step up at the
    Meadowlands on Saturday. This is a big moment for their spectator base, which
    traditionally is loud, boisterous and notoriously fickle.




    “I don’t think he would,” D’Brickashaw
    Ferguson
    insisted Tuesday, when asked if a true Jet fan would sell his
    ticket to a Giant fan. “It goes against what Jet fans are.”




    Ferguson knows more than a little about that. He was a frustrated Jet fan
    growing up in Freeport, L.I., mostly because his brother was a Giant fan and
    Ferguson didn’t want to be rooting for the same team. Now he’s going to be
    blocking Jason Pierre-Paul
    on Saturday, thinking about how he can get his brother angry all over
    again." Read more...

    AFTER FURTHER REVIEW, GIANTS MORE OF A PLAYOFF RUN THAN JETS

    Excerpt: "It was inexcusable, terrible and sadly predictable.



    The Giants' 23-10 loss to the Redskins on Sunday was not a shock for a team
    that consistently fails to show up against inferior teams. Eli Manning had an
    off game and his receivers did not help, starting with Hakeem Nicks' drop that
    likely would have been a touchdown to give the Giants an early 7-3 lead. The
    Redskins rolled from there with Rex Grossman showing up the Giants secondary for
    the second time this season.




    It was another valley in the Giants' rollercoaster season. But they've shown
    the ability to rise up and play with the best teams in the NFL. When Manning and
    the offense is on, it has proven capable of beating the Patriots and Cowboys on
    the road, and hanging with the Packers at home.




    But the Jets have been something worse than unstable: They have been
    ordinary. Their defense no longer looks capable of winning games, and the
    offense has never been able to do that since Rex Ryan took over as coach. The
    Jets have not beaten any current playoff team since Week 1, when they rallied to
    beat the Cowboys, but that was more due to Dallas’ mistakes than Jets
    initiative. Their other impressive victory came against the Chargers, who are
    peaking now, but were about to start a six-game losing streak when they came to
    New Jersey.




    Last year, the Jets suffered that 45-3 beating against the Patriots, but they
    also defeated their rivals earlier in the season. Last year in Week 15, they
    upset the eventual AFC champion Steelers in Pittsburgh. This year's Week 15 trip
    to Pennsylvania was a 45-19 rout dished out by the Eagles.




    Even the Jets' 9-7 team from 2009 had an early-season win over the Patriots
    to hang their helmet on, and an identity with the No. 1 rushing team and No. 1
    defense in the league.




    These past two years the Jets have played their best football in the
    playoffs, but it was based on a foundation built in the regular season.




    It's tough to decipher what this team is. It spent the offseason trying to
    build up the passing game, but were quickly exposed and changed course back to a
    running team. But the offensive line has taken steps back in recent seasons and
    is now closer to average than elite.




    The Eagles offense had shown flaws all season, but it moved the ball at will
    against the Jets on Sunday. The Jets did not resemble a team that shut down
    Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in the playoffs, and it will have a hard time
    shutting down Eli and the Giants to reach the playoffs this year.




    The Giants are not a great team, but except for the debacle in New Orleans,
    have played well against some of the better teams in the league. And in what is
    now a quarterback league, they have Manning, who has proven capable of playing
    with the best. The Jets have been able to overcome Mark Sanchez’s struggles, but
    they have yet to do that against a good team playing near the top of its game
    this year.




    None of this means the Giants will beat the Jets on Sunday, just that they
    are the better bet for a playoff run if they do.




    *




    If the Jets are able to make the playoffs it would almost certainly be as the
    No. 6 seed.




    That likely would mean a wild-card matchup with the Texans, who blew a chance
    to be a No. 1 seed with their loss to the Panthers on Sunday. Houston has been a
    nice story this year, but is certainly the most favorable matchup the Jets could
    get.




    Rookie T.J. Yates starts at quarterback, and if the Jets have a chance to win
    a playoff game this would be it. It could also set up another matchup with the
    Patriots.




    *




    If the Giants get into the playoffs it would be as the NFC East champion,
    which would give them the No. 4 seed in the NFC. Right now that would mean a
    matchup with the Falcons, but it also could be the Lions if Detroit wins out
    (vs. Chargers, at Packers) and Atlanta loses to New Orleans this Monday night.




    Either of those matchups would be destined to end 35-31.




    *




    Tom Coughlin was once considered the best at challenging replays, but the
    Giants coach has had a rough season in that area.




    Coughlin challenged a Redskins interception early in the second quarter.
    Watching it live, the call looked dubious, but after the first replay it was
    clear safety O.J. Atogwe had made the pick. Because of the change of possession,
    the Giants had to time to view those replays and still challenged it. He is now
    3-for-10 this season." Read more...


    NY POST

    GIANTS' DAVID BAAS IS HEALTHIER, BUT MAY HAVE LOST STARTING JOB

    "David Baas has apparently healed from the intense headaches and neck injury
    that forced him to miss the Giants' past three games. It looks as if he will be
    healthy enough to return to his starting spot at center for Saturday’s key game
    against the Jets. The question is, will he?



    Baas was able to practice on Tuesday and worked again Wednesday, a good sign
    for the Giants. Now comes the hard part. The offensive line underwent a big
    change without Baas, with Kevin Boothe replacing him at center and second-year
    Mitch Petrus coming off the bench to move into Boothe’s vacated left guard spot.
    The running game picked up dramatically after the changes were made and the pass
    protection has been solid.




    Does Baas automatically slide back in as the starting center? Coach Tom
    Coughlin did not answer that question when it was posed to him on Wednesday. If
    Baas returns to play center, Boothe either returns to left guard or goes to the
    bench, depending on what the coaching staff wants to do with Petrus, who has
    been a spirited competitor in his first three NFL starts.




    *
    As far as the depleted tight end position, the Giants got two out of
    three back onto the field. Their starter and most productive players, Jake
    Ballard, did not practice because of a knee injury. Two other tight ends with
    injuries, Travis Beckum (chest) and Bear Pascoe (ribs) were able to
    practice.




    Receiver Mario Mannigham (knee) was not participating in
    practice."

    HOLMES RIPS GIANTS' DEFENSIVE BACKS

    "Jets wide receiver Santonio Holmes is coming off one of his worst games with
    the team. You would think that has shaken his confidence.



    The receiver came out firing Wednesday at the Giants secondary and reporters.




    "They've given up big plays," Holmes said of the Giants. "They're
    poor-tackling guys. We know plays can be made over their head. We've just got to
    be willing to take advantage of them and make them count."




    The Giants rank 29th in the NFL against the pass, allowing 257.5 yards per
    game. The Jets offense has not been a passing machine this year, ranking 21st in
    the NFL with an average of 201.9 yards per game.




    But it seems like the Jets feel like they can throw on the Giants.




    Holmes likely will be matched up with Corey Webster. Holmes did not sound
    impressed.




    "I can't wait to see him Saturday," he said. "I hope he's ready to bring his
    'A' game."




    Asked if he agreed with a reporter's assessment that Webster is having a
    pretty good year, Holmes said, "I could care less."




    Holmes said the Giants are overly dependent on their pass rush.




    "They depend on their front four to get in and get pressure on the
    quarterback," he said. "A smart-enough defender knows he has a few seconds in
    his play clock that the ball should be released and, if not, he's depending on
    his guys to take care of business. I think those guys just fall victim to that a
    lot of times."




    Last week against the Eagles, Holmes had a fumble, a dropped pass that
    resulted in an interception and a taunting penalty. He was asked if he's more
    anxious to get back on the field after a poor game.




    "Nope," he said. "I've been in this league six years. I make plays every
    Sunday."




    Holmes did not like questions about his coaches being upset with him after
    the taunting penalty. Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer was visibly
    upset on the sideline.




    "He's our offensive coordinator. What about him?" Holmes said when asked
    about it.




    Holmes talked about his relationship with Schottenheimer and he was not
    overly convincing that the two are best pals.




    "Our relationship is great," he said. "I can't complain about anything with
    our relationship. Our relationship is offensive coordinator-wide receiver."




    Holmes said he apologized to coach Rex Ryan for the penalty because they have
    each other's backs. He got agitated when asked if Ryan said something to him
    after the penalty.




    "Did you see him yell at me?" Holmes said. "Did you see him say anything at
    me?"



    ##

    TOM COUGHLIN ON REX RYAN: TALK IS CHEAP, PLAY THE GAME

    "Sit down. Brace yourself. You are not going to believe this.



    Giants coach Tom Coughlin doesn’t have any reaction to his Jets counterpart
    Rex Ryan stating the Jets are better than the Giants and have been for the past
    three years.




    “I just say, regardless of the talk, it will be decided at 1 o’clock Saturday
    afternoon,’’ Coughlin said Wednesday morning. “Regardless of what is said. Talk
    is cheap, play the game. That is the way I’ve always believed.’’




    Ryan replied Wednesday.




    "That's the old saying, 'Talk is cheap. Money buys whiskey.' I understand all
    that. That's the truth, but I don't care about Tom Coughlin or anybody else. I
    know how I believe and I don't care if it's acceptable in everybody's opinion. I
    really don't care. I'm worried about my opinion. This is how I feel. Quite
    honestly, I could care less what anybody thinks."




    Coughlin opened his press conference in an upbeat mood, saying “Okay, here we
    go. It doesn’t get more important than this for the Jets or for the Giants.
    Happy holidays and let’s get on with it.




    “It is an exciting time without a doubt. The season of the year, the time of
    the year and the fact that the Jets and the Giants are playing or Christmas Eve
    and what is at stake for both teams.’’




    Coughlin said playing the Jets is not extra motivation, not compared with the
    playoff implications the game includes.




    “I think it is the nature of the game,’’ Coughlin said. “I think it has to do
    with what is at stake for both teams. It is the underlying motivational drive
    for what I see. The all important thing about this game is the opportunity to
    move on and stay alive. I don’t know how it gets any better.’’




    Doesn’t good-old bragging rights mean anything?




    “Just try to win the game, that is what is important to me,’’ Coughlin said.
    “Us winning the game, and it will be one of those knock-down, drag-out games
    without a doubt. Our focus is completely on preparing our team."


    ##


    ELI MANNING GIVES GIANTS EDGE OVER SANCHEZ, JETS

    "It is a Jets fan’s worst nightmare, and should be: Jets 14, Giants 10, two
    minutes left, Eli Manning with the ball, and the season, and very possibly two
    seasons, and very possibly his coach’s job, in his hands.



    Super Bowl XLII all over again. This one for the Bloomberg Trophy, which
    gives you the right to keep playing for the Lombardi Trophy.




    It apparently is every last Jet’s nightmare, and should be.




    “You could definitely see by the Dallas game what he can do,” Jets guard Matt
    Slauson said. “He is an incredibly talented player, so we have to make sure that
    we don’t keep it close. Because we can’t give him the opportunity at the end to
    go down and score.”




    Manning is the anti-Rex Ryan, because he talks exclusively with the actions
    of his right arm rather than his words.




    The Giants now need that right arm to talk loud and clear, the way it has so
    often this season, above the riotous din of eggnog-fueled Jets fans on Christmas
    Eve.




    Jets-Giants is destined to be a 60-minute fight to the finish, last
    quarterback standing wins.




    There is only one elite quarterback in this ARMaggedon, and he will be
    wearing No. 10, no matter what Ryan tells you.




    Of course, the Giants fan won’t be feeling anywhere close to how he or she
    felt when Lawrence Taylor or Michael Strahan was around to play the part of
    Mariano Rivera, should Mark Sanchez have the ball at the very end.




    Sanchez, like Manning, has a history of saving his best for last. Over the
    past two years, he has directed no fewer than eight fourth-quarter/overtime
    comeback victories.




    Manning’s fourth-quarter passing numbers: 114-for-171 (66.7 percent) for
    1,602 yards with 14 TDs and two INTs. A 111.8 QB rating, tops in the NFL, just
    ahead of Aaron Rodgers (66-for-97; 68 percent) for 897 yards with nine TDs and
    four INTs and a 111.1 QB rating.




    Sanchez’s fourth-quarter
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    Thanks again

    EXCELLENT work as always
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    [quote user="Kase-1"]Thanks again

    EXCELLENT work as always
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    Can't wait for Saturday!!!

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    thank you Sir for your efforts...




    These mopes better not ruin my big Christmas Eve dinner with more BS.......




    I have the feast of the 7 fishes where many of the coaches and players will hypothetically will be sleeping with the fishes if the lose.

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    [quote user="GameTime"]

    thank you Sir for your efforts...




    These mopes better not ruin my big Christmas Eve dinner with more BS.......




    I have the feast of the 7 fishes where many of the coaches and players will hypothetically will be sleeping with the fishes if the lose.

    [/quote]

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    [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="GameTime"]


    thank you Sir for your efforts...




    These mopes better not ruin my big Christmas Eve dinner with more BS.......




    I have the feast of the 7 fishes where many of the coaches and players will hypothetically will be sleeping with the fishes if the lose.




    [/quote]

    LMAO VITO, you want I should whack 'em? []
    [/quote]




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    [quote user="GameTime"][quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="GameTime"]


    thank you Sir for your efforts...




    These mopes better not ruin my big Christmas Eve dinner with more BS.......




    I have the feast of the 7 fishes where many of the coaches and players will hypothetically will be sleeping with the fishes if the lose.




    [/quote]

    LMAO VITO, you want I should whack 'em? []
    [/quote]




    wait for my oders......[H]




    [/quote]




    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays RF......Thanks for the work you do on these......just knew the writers were going to dig up the bones of that 1988 Giants/Jets game....bastages lol




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    [quote user="SEC105"][quote user="GameTime"][quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="GameTime"]


    thank you Sir for your efforts...




    These mopes better not ruin my big Christmas Eve dinner with more BS.......




    I have the feast of the 7 fishes where many of the coaches and players will hypothetically will be sleeping with the fishes if the lose.




    [/quote]

    LMAO VITO, you want I should whack 'em? []
    [/quote]




    wait for my oders......[H]




    [/quote]




    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays RF......Thanks for the work you do on these......just knew the writers were going to dig up the bones of that 1988 Giants/Jets game....bastages lol




    if ya gotta do what ya gotta do ........."grab the gun and leave the conolies" [] GF part 1




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxZyFNVBRJY

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