so in essence the players would have to memorize our entire playbook in two different terminologies...i just dont see it. the limitations eli may face with audibles may not be bc of any flaw he has, it could be bc thats too much to ask of the other guys...knowing the playbook with the actual terminology of the play, and then the playbook in audible terminology...and then ud have to change that up week to week bc teams have film and study that **** religiously...
Last edited by giantsfan420; 12-05-2012 at 11:07 PM.
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"It makes more sense to clean house completely then change the coach, have another bad year and fire the GM, then hire another GM who wants to hire his own coach"
I stopped fighting my inner demons. We're on the same side now.
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I thought the gameplan was pretty good for the first half - own the time of possession and tire out their defense with some ground and pound. When it was the second half, we would take advantage of their adjustment to our run game and air it out. That's what I expected at least.
do you have any idea how many plays are in the playbook.......I'll tell you .....300 +
we are talking about a specific game plan...........not the playbook
and within that game plan are personnel packages
these personnel packages involve a certain amount of plays
this is why you see David Wilson only in on certain packages.....because his understanding of the terminology and protections is not yet to where it will eventually be
and yes Eli has the freedom to check into any play within the personnel package that they are in when the approach the LOS
he could absolutely change the formation if he wanted to .... but rarely would the playclock ever provide enough time to do that ....so that is not often likely
I mean this in the kindest way possible....you really have no clue what you are talking about
99% of the time when you guys assume Eli is checking out of a play at the LOS he is indeed changing protections due to the front that the defense shows during a dummy cadence
he may check out of a play 3 or 4 times in a game ....tops
and when he does it is usually from a pass to a run or vice versa
sometimes he is not even changing the whole play.....he may only change one of the receivers routes and the backs blocking assignment
....and yes ....all 11 guys on the offense understand all the terminology that pertains to their position and responsibility involved in the game plan.
this is their job
the receivers understand the whole route tree , the sight adjustments involved based on coverages , and the terminology involved in changing them at the LOS
the backs understand the protections and the terminology involved in changing it at the LOS...as do the linemen and TEs
this is what they do .....this is why they study and sit in meetings for so many hours per week
if they did not know every little bit of terminology ....they would not be on the field...
Last edited by YATittle1962; 12-05-2012 at 11:20 PM.
I think the Giants did well against RGIII, but what killed late in the game was that we kept biting on the play fakes and couldn't stop the run. What disappointed me late in the game when we couldnt stop the run and never adjusted. We hardly blitzed, which I thought should been done more to disrupt the backfield. The Skins defense had a couple of good passes defended but otherwise hardly put any pressure on Eli who missed Giants offense missed a couple of big passes that would have been game breakers. We beat ourselves, not the RGIII or the skins. I wouldn't get disheartened though.
u said he has access to the entire gameplan at the LOS.
thats simply not true imo. u can claim i dont know aht im talking about. thats fine. i know i've read kg gives eli the play and then 2 plays on top to change to as the audibles. plays called in the huddle are diff terminology than when at the LOS as well. the other 10 guys would have to know the entire gameplan in two diff languages basically for the entire gameplan to be accessible at the LOS bc u certainly dont want teams to know the plays you run thus creating an audible that represents said play but term can be changed repeatedly.
we can agree to disagree i guess but its been my contention that the audibles are part of the gameplan, and that there are certain audible checks given for certain defensive looks. and while u claim we can, i've never seen us switch into diff formations at the LOS. which again, my contention was eli prob has earned more freedom then when i read the article a couple years ago and has the ability to audible into any play in that formation, but during the week the plays are discussed and implemented under the terminology that will be changed week to week.
i dunno if there was some confusion but i think if u go back and reread what i've said, i hadnt stated anything incorrect and asked for clarification if i was wrong. i havent read anything that leads me to believe I am, so we;ll agree to disagree that i dont know what im talking about at all
Last edited by giantsfan420; 12-06-2012 at 12:14 AM.
A team should never use ball control until at the end of the game. When you are up and there is going to be litle to no time on the clock. You limit yourself with that ball control and Giants did that trying to establish the run. Just play the game and gameplan in trying to score.