12-11-2012, 12:13 AM
No , he isnt a troll. He and I have argued in the past, and we have had laughs in the past too. But he has certainly been uncharacteristically hard on Wilson. The only reason I can see is because he didnt like the pick.
Originally Posted by appodictic
12-11-2012, 01:33 AM
Agree on Morris, but mostly because of the Shanahan factor. The guy craps out RBs that are successful that may not be uber talented. Mike Anderson had a 1400yd season under him...he was pretty much a fullback.
Originally Posted by TheEnigma
12-11-2012, 08:54 AM
u weren't talking to me???lol Listen, just trying to have a good old fashioned debate on here..lol Thats what we do around here.. we don't always agree on here, and if someone posts something i don't agree on, i'm gonna answer it...
Originally Posted by Eliscruzzz
12-11-2012, 09:02 AM
Heck ya, i've been hard on em.. Just as i would any player that i felt wasen't performing. I'll say this, u just posted the bad things, not the million other things i postsed that weren't harsh at all, and some would call compliments... I just got impatient, and during heat of the moment, said some things...
Originally Posted by BlueSanta
U guys see what u wanna see.. In this thread, i've said numerous times it was a PHENOMENAL game! Just as i wasen't calling out people who loved the pick one week or ever for that matter, when he was struggling in his limited opp's when we really could have used em, as game after game went by, i don't think anyone should be calling people out in a thread because he finally had a great wk is all.. Thats all i'm saying.. I've always said he would be a good DUO back, and i simply didn't like the value.. I am happy he had a huge wk! I hope hes the next Chris Johnson(longer prime), but before u call people out, lets see it continue, and maybe against better run defense.. Shoot, i'm all for eating crow, as i've done it before, and i'm sure to do it again...lol
12-11-2012, 09:08 AM
I wish i had the time to go back and pull up some of the positive things i said about this kid.. I'm not a freaking idiot, i realize the kids got talent.. I never expected em to never have a huge week! Jesus! If every guy u were hard on as a fan only had to have a monster wk or 2 for u to be wrong, every player would be awesome and a great pick and fa pickup and etc..lol
Still been a long season before he could break out, and before he has a streak or at least 2 good games in a row, i woulden't be calling people out, is all.. Simple as that.. He's gonna have more big games, i just wanna see it more consistently before i start telling people they were right or wrong about the guy..
As far as this past game, he was freaking brillinat! Showed some serious potential, and i hope he builds off that going forward.. Brilliant game! Now lets see em have another big contributing game..
12-11-2012, 09:17 AM
And one final thing..lol I didn't call out the jerrnigan pick was completely diffrent then David Wilson.. I really don't understand how u don't see that? U said similar things to me in the past..
Originally Posted by BlueSanta
First the obvious, which is Jerrnigan a 3rd rd pick with great value(late half 3rd when some had em as late 2nd/early3rd, and David Wilson was seen be most, a 2nd rd pick(some early mid 2nd, some late half 2nd) , and David Wilson being our 1st rd pick..
Secondly, Jerrnigan had Hakeem Nicks, Ramses Barden(3rd rder), and Victor Cruz to contend with as a rookie outta smaller school Troy.. David Wilson had only a brittle Ahmad Bradshaw and Andre Brown, who had been a kicked around injury prone former 4th rder in 2nd stint with us and former 7th rd pick Da'Rel Scott...
And in fact, it made sense, because David Wilson was 1st off the bench to spell Ahmad Bradshaw right in wk 1, but quickly fumbled and then dropped a pass, and fell outta grace with coughlin, and then as season progressed, he got alittle usuage here and there, and never took advantage of it, untill now... Andre Brown and Ramses Barden have had monster games as well, and Hixon as well.. It dosen't mean hes a great player.. And it is getting closer to when i have to admit i was wrong on jerrnigan, just as soon as David Wilson has a slate of games where u feel hes a consistent 1st rd RB, and worth the pick, i'll say i'm wrong about him.. And just because i don't like Wilson as a 1st rder, dosen't mean i dislike em as a solid duo RB.. I just believe 1st rd RB's have to be shoulder the load RB's, and u find ur split the load guys in 2nd rd and on...
12-11-2012, 09:22 AM
Ron Dayne was good in that system that is all
Originally Posted by JayMas9
12-11-2012, 09:32 AM
Take advantage of what?? Coughlin quoting all season long how he can't pass block. Then you trot him out 3-4 times a game
Originally Posted by nycsportzfan
when opposing D's know "he can't pass block", here comes a run. Combined with Gilbride's play sched, where most fans
(let alone most opposing D coord) know when a run is coming or not and you set the kid up for absolute complete failure.
It's amazing he got even 2 yards a carry on those plays.
12-11-2012, 09:42 AM
Your upset about the salary cap but want to overpay mediocre players.
Originally Posted by Tmurda1984
U wanted Steve Smith to get a big deal? How would that of worked out
Bradshaw walk. Yeah he set a value to Bradshaw. Bradshaw wanted Deanglelo Williams contract U think the Giants should of just handed him that money.By playing hard ball they saved cash. Bradshaw was nowhere near worth 6-7 million a year
Kevin Boss? Again decent player but an UDFA came in and was just as good if not better. Your upset we didnt give him 4 million a year?The Giants have gotten Bennett and Ballard over 2 seasons for less then 1 year of Boss and both are better players. Boss was cut after 1 season
Aaron Ross? Had a decent year in 2011 but still was statistically ranked as 1 of the worst corners in the NFL and he got 3 years 15 million. Thats a bad contract. U say Thomas cant stay healthy its not like Ross has been an iron man either.
Kenny Phillips? Yeah he is on a rookie deal so what. Why the hell would we lock up a guy with a degenerative knee condition early.
Victor Cruz- Been in the NFL 2 years how are u going to give him a fat contract before Nicks and JPP? What klind of locker room problems would that cause.
Hakeem Nicks- yeah he plays on a rookie deal so does Clay Matthews
Shianoce was overpaid. Why would the Giants give a number 2 tight end money like that
Shockey was a big mouth they have gotten just much production out of everyone else brought in and they arent a headache
Osi should the Giants given him a long term deal he has provided very little this season glad he isnt locked up
12-11-2012, 10:07 AM
No, sorry that arguement doesnt work because in 2011 the Giants had stretches where our WR corps was decimated with injury. We lost Barden(season), Nicks and Manningham for games. Of course we were without Hixon for the entire season as well. The WR corp was very thin last year for much of the year. But JJ didnt play......at all. In fact, we played Beckum at WR at times over JJ. Still, you defended him vehemently and I agreed with you(cept on the special teams front where I felt he was not excelling.) And JPP? There were numberous people whinning about him his rookie year and you and I were defending him, he was a 1st round pick. Why weren't you on his case? In fact, you defended him. But not Wilson.
Originally Posted by nycsportzfan
Simply put, the ONLY reason you are on Wilson's case is because you didnt like the pick.
Well again, you need to get over it and move on.You saying "heck ya I was hard on him" doesnt begin to tell the whole story. You have been bashing this kid for months. The quotes above are just smaples but you arent just being hard on a guy when you say "he su-cks" or saying he isnt good at kickoff returns despite being the very best in the league. That just delusional.
Last edited by BlueSanta; 12-11-2012 at 10:14 AM.