THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[lttaylor56]

[quote user="bandwgn86"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bandwgn86"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="bandwgn86"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="lttaylor56"]Tailgating essentials


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lmao
[/quote]i dont get it?[/quote]You never will, sorry Bandy.
[/quote]you could change that by telling me?[/quote]

lol long story
[/quote]i get it! no Canadians allowed..

such racists[/quote]Sorry Bandy-it's not a racist thing.

[lttaylor56]

[quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"]This is the legal definition of First Degree Murder MMB.

<font color="#0000ff"><span class="hw">first degree murder</span> n</font>. although it varies from
state to state, it is generally a killing which is deliberate and
premeditated (planned, after lying in wait, by poison or as part of a
scheme), in conjunction with felonies such as rape, burglary, arson,
involving multiple deaths, the killing of certain types of people (such
as a child, a police officer, a prison guard, a fellow prisoner), or
with certain weapons, particularly a gun. The specific criteria for
first degree murder are established by statute in each state and by the
United States Code in federal prosecutions. <font color="#0000ff"> It is distinguished from
second degree murder in which premeditation is usually absent, and from
manslaughter which lacks premeditation and suggests that at most there
was intent to harm rather than to kill.</font>

I highlighted the important part for you.

Dr.K.'s Murders (assisted suicides as you call them but the law doesn't recognize that as anything) fits with the definition of FIRST DEGREE Murder because of the premeditation.

this is not my opinion...but a fact.

CA's and Dr.K (supposed) Crimes are equal in the eyes of the law...you do not determine whether something is first or second degree murder depending on how YOU in particular feel about the person...it has to fit a strict guideline.

Now you are going to go on and talk about how Dr.K was charged and convicted with 2nd Degree Murder, I DO understand that is the case....but that is not relevant to the discussion....because that out come of one particular case is irrelevant in a discussion about the entire system and how it works.

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and again it was viewed as assisted suicide

they weren't equal and the verdict proved it.

You can keep trying to wish there was a different ending but it went through the courts and was seen as NOT the same thing as Murder 1.

And ALL The time in court are other court cases and verdicts used as examples for the case at hand. SO essentially they do all play into each others hands.

The fact is that Dr. K was guilty of Murder 2. Thats the fact. HE didn't kill them, he helped the people kill themselves. Game over. YOu've already lost

Just like I can't change the fact that Casey Anthony was found innocent. You can't change the fact that Dr. K wasn't guilty of murder 1.

But either way, this whole argument has turned from ur ridiculous points of view on the death penalty. You don't believe in it, thats fine. But you were attacking my point by saying then ALL murderers should get the death penalty and that there was no way to decipher the two.

AGain you are wrong there by the simple fact that the differences of murder 1 and murder 2 are a good starting point for deciding who would get the death penalty. Murder 1 would be my first requirement of being eligible

Its completely relevent to the argument... because the case was tried and convicted. Again - HE didn't kill these people. He helped THEM kill themselves. Thats how it avoids murder 1 and thats why it was
[/quote]yea he never killed ANYONE, he just gave very ill people the necessities to end it, all they had to do was push a button.
[/quote]Pacino did a great job in the Movie about Kavorkian.

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="dezzzR"]lol did anyone see charlie sheens roast? im watching jeff ross on youtube. this guy is too good.

"has any body seen bree olson, your ex goddess's latest movie?? the last time i saw that many guys coming out of the same hole i was watching the rescue of the chilain miners" LMAO hahahahaa
[/quote]Now that's funny. I'd still kiss her on the lips with tongue
[/quote]

Now thats grosssssss

it would of been alot less disgusting if u would of said that you would just hit it

[dezzzR]

[quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"]This is the legal definition of First Degree Murder MMB.

<font color="#0000ff"><span class="hw">first degree murder</span> n</font>. although it varies from
state to state, it is generally a killing which is deliberate and
premeditated (planned, after lying in wait, by poison or as part of a
scheme), in conjunction with felonies such as rape, burglary, arson,
involving multiple deaths, the killing of certain types of people (such
as a child, a police officer, a prison guard, a fellow prisoner), or
with certain weapons, particularly a gun. The specific criteria for
first degree murder are established by statute in each state and by the
United States Code in federal prosecutions. <font color="#0000ff"> It is distinguished from
second degree murder in which premeditation is usually absent, and from
manslaughter which lacks premeditation and suggests that at most there
was intent to harm rather than to kill.</font>

I highlighted the important part for you.

Dr.K.'s Murders (assisted suicides as you call them but the law doesn't recognize that as anything) fits with the definition of FIRST DEGREE Murder because of the premeditation.

this is not my opinion...but a fact.

CA's and Dr.K (supposed) Crimes are equal in the eyes of the law...you do not determine whether something is first or second degree murder depending on how YOU in particular feel about the person...it has to fit a strict guideline.

Now you are going to go on and talk about how Dr.K was charged and convicted with 2nd Degree Murder, I DO understand that is the case....but that is not relevant to the discussion....because that out come of one particular case is irrelevant in a discussion about the entire system and how it works.

[/quote]

and again it was viewed as assisted suicide

they weren't equal and the verdict proved it.

You can keep trying to wish there was a different ending but it went through the courts and was seen as NOT the same thing as Murder 1.

And ALL The time in court are other court cases and verdicts used as examples for the case at hand. SO essentially they do all play into each others hands.

The fact is that Dr. K was guilty of Murder 2. Thats the fact. HE didn't kill them, he helped the people kill themselves. Game over. YOu've already lost

Just like I can't change the fact that Casey Anthony was found innocent. You can't change the fact that Dr. K wasn't guilty of murder 1.

But either way, this whole argument has turned from ur ridiculous points of view on the death penalty. You don't believe in it, thats fine. But you were attacking my point by saying then ALL murderers should get the death penalty and that there was no way to decipher the two.

AGain you are wrong there by the simple fact that the differences of murder 1 and murder 2 are a good starting point for deciding who would get the death penalty. Murder 1 would be my first requirement of being eligible

Its completely relevent to the argument... because the case was tried and convicted. Again - HE didn't kill these people. He helped THEM kill themselves. Thats how it avoids murder 1 and thats why it was
[/quote]yea he never killed ANYONE, he just gave very ill people the necessities to end it, all they had to do was push a button.
[/quote]Pacino did a great job in the Movie about Kavorkian.
[/quote]yea i saw that, it was really sad.

[DavenIII]

[quote user="dezzzR"]yea he never killed ANYONE, he just gave very ill people the necessities to end it, all they had to do was push a button. [/quote]

doesn't matter, it's still considered for example a Class B Felony in New Hampsire...and the minimum sentence would have been 60 Years.

It's different from state to state...it's actually legal in Oregon....but only if the Doctor prescribes the drugs and they are self-administered and the patient had less then 6 months to live.

My point to this whole thing is MMB says "if CA got convicted she would should get the Death Sentence" but the reason he says that is because he thinks what she did was terrible.

My point is in many states Dr.K. may have gotten the death sentence for his crime...but Matt would have said he didn't deserve it.

the point is the law has a very distinct set of rules for each crime and the sentencing follows those rules...it's not as simple as he wants it to be..it's not.

"I think what she did is terrible...DEATH SENTENCE NOW!" and that's what Matt makes it out to be.

[DavenIII]

for those actually curious (and not just "arguing to be right" like someone we know)

this is a list of the states their and there corresponding penalties.

<a href="http://euthanasia.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000132">http://euthanasia.procon.org/view.re...ourceID=000132
</a>http://www.wisconsinexpungement.com/Felonies.shtml

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="dezzzR"]yea he never killed ANYONE, he just gave very ill people the necessities to end it, all they had to do was push a button. [/quote]

doesn't matter, it's still considered for example a Class B Felony in New Hampsire...and the minimum sentence would have been 60 Years.

It's different from state to state...it's actually legal in Oregon....but only if the Doctor prescribes the drugs and they are self-administered and the patient had less then 6 months to live.

My point to this whole thing is MMB says "if CA got convicted she would should get the Death Sentence" but the reason he says that is because he thinks what she did was terrible.

My point is in many states Dr.K. may have gotten the death sentence for his crime...but Matt would have said he didn't deserve it.

the point is the law has a very distinct set of rules for each crime and the sentencing follows those rules...it's not as simple as he wants it to be..it's not.

"I think what she did is terrible...DEATH SENTENCE NOW!" and that's what Matt makes it out to be.
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no they wouldn't of

any half way lawyer would of gotten him out of murder one...

infact there are cases of people being freed, like in Montana.

The simple fact that HE HIMSELF didn't do the killing is what NEVER would of gotten him Murder one.

He WOULDN:T of gotten the death sentence naywhere. Your just saying that trying to make a point. It WOULDNT of happened.

Nooo - thats what YOU try and make me out to be...

by the simple fact u refuse to answer what u honestly think she would of received had she been found guilty lets me know i'm right. Typical daven worming

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="DavenIII"]for those actually curious (and not just "arguing to be right" like someone we know)

this is a list of the states their and there corresponding penalties.

<a href="http://euthanasia.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000132">http://euthanasia.procon.org/view.re...ourceID=000132
</a>http://www.wisconsinexpungement.com/Felonies.shtml
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I see alot of manslaughters, Class H felonies, misdemeanors..

no murder 1s... please tell me where there would be murder 1?

Hell its even LEGAL in some states

[DavenIII]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"]for those actually curious (and not just "arguing to be right" like someone we know)

this is a list of the states their and there corresponding penalties.

<a href="http://euthanasia.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000132">http://euthanasia.procon.org/view.re...ourceID=000132
</a>http://www.wisconsinexpungement.com/Felonies.shtml
[/quote]

I see alot of manslaughters, Class H felonies, misdemeanors..

no murder 1s... please tell me where there would be murder 1?

Hell its even LEGAL in some states



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Yeah, I mentioned that it was legal in Oregon in my last post did you miss that? .... and Murder 1 and Murder 2 I think those are just terms...I think Murder 1 and Murder 2 become a Felony Charge of a certain level depending on the state....

by trying to teach you something I'm learning a bunch myself this is actually fun

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"]for those actually curious (and not just "arguing to be right" like someone we know)

this is a list of the states their and there corresponding penalties.

<a href="http://euthanasia.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000132">http://euthanasia.procon.org/view.re...ourceID=000132
</a>http://www.wisconsinexpungement.com/Felonies.shtml
[/quote]

I see alot of manslaughters, Class H felonies, misdemeanors..

no murder 1s... please tell me where there would be murder 1?

Hell its even LEGAL in some states



[/quote]

Yeah, I mentioned that it was legal in Oregon in my last post did you miss that? .... and Murder 1 and Murder 2 I think those are just terms...I think Murder 1 and Murder 2 become a Felony Charge of a certain level depending on the state....

by trying to teach you something I'm learning a bunch myself this is actually fun
[/quote]

three things:

1) In your opinion if Casey Anthony is found guilty, do u think she gets Murder 1 or Murder 2.

2) Has anybody charged wtih Murder 2 anywhere received the death penalty

3) Has anybody that been charged with Assisted suicide gotten murder 1?

i hope ur learning that your wrong most importantly