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[Morehead State]

[quote user="DavenIII"]LANDO

[quote user="Morehead State"]I completely agree. Joe Pa had a larger obligation. And I don't care if he's a mascot or not.[/quote]

Do you agree with that.

do you think Joe Pa who heard the story from the witness, had a larger obligation to make sure this guy got what he deserved then the witness himself?

(morally?)

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What I meant is that he had a larger obligation than to simply pass it on to the AD.</P>

[bigblue4417]

[quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]


[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]I completely agree. Joe Pa had a larger obligation. And I don't care if he's a mascot or not.[/quote]

Ridiculous.

the person who heard a story from some random janitor has a larger moral obligation to seek justice then the janitor who witnesses the act himself?

you are either Trolling or you've become temporarily insane.
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Well two guys got carted off in handcuffes because they didn't do anything about this "story".</p>


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And I'm not saying that's wrong, what I'm saying is that it's worse not to do anything about something you SAW then not to do something about a story you heard from someone....

and don't give me he went to Joe Pa....that's not enough...he was right in doing that but wrong in not going further, he should have stopped it then in there or should have went to the cops...without doing either of those things he's in the wrong...morally, and more so then Joe Pa.
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Obviously not. Since Joe Pa passed it along like an email forward.</p>


<font color="#0000FF">Maybe he expected more from the most important man in PSU history.</font></p>[/quote]
I don't understand why they can't grasp this?

[DavenIII]

This is the order I put them in Morehead.

Morally Wrong worst to best.

Worst - Jerry Sandusky (obviously on a whole different level)

Then - Schultz and Curly for intentionally covering it up.

Then - Mike McQueary and Jim Calhoun for not making sure the guy got what he deserved after witnessing the crimes themselves.

Then - Paterno and maybe Spainer ... for only doing the minimum... and not taking it upon themselves to investigate the allegations further.

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Morehead State"]

[quote user="DavenIII"]LANDO

[quote user="Morehead State"]I completely agree. Joe Pa had a larger obligation. And I don't care if he's a mascot or not.[/quote]

Do you agree with that.

do you think Joe Pa who heard the story from the witness, had a larger obligation to make sure this guy got what he deserved then the witness himself?

(morally?)

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What I meant is that he had a larger obligation than to simply pass it on to the AD.</p>[/quote]

even after reading that timeline?

It seems that the sexual misconduct that occured was witnessed by the janitor who reported it to his superior and that it went no where.

The assistant said that he saw them horsing around. I mean it seems to me that just from this that Joe Pa knew they were showering together. Im not sure what he was suppose to do wtih that? I mean at that time he wasn't working there, there was no sexual conduct, they banned him, took away his privilidges, and informed the charity.

Which is kind of confusing how Matt Millen could be so surprised by this if hes on the board since they were notified

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]


[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]I completely agree. Joe Pa had a larger obligation. And I don't care if he's a mascot or not.[/quote]

Ridiculous.

the person who heard a story from some random janitor has a larger moral obligation to seek justice then the janitor who witnesses the act himself?

you are either Trolling or you've become temporarily insane.
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Well two guys got carted off in handcuffes because they didn't do anything about this "story".</p>


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And I'm not saying that's wrong, what I'm saying is that it's worse not to do anything about something you SAW then not to do something about a story you heard from someone....

and don't give me he went to Joe Pa....that's not enough...he was right in doing that but wrong in not going further, he should have stopped it then in there or should have went to the cops...without doing either of those things he's in the wrong...morally, and more so then Joe Pa.
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Obviously not. Since Joe Pa passed it along like an email forward.</p>


<font color="#0000ff">Maybe he expected more from the most important man in PSU history.</font></p>[/quote]
I don't understand why they can't grasp this?
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because i don't expect more from someone just because they are bigger names. To be honest, I expected more out of the Janitor who SAW this happen and did nothing. Cover ups and lies from a football coach - if ur expecting something more then your just in denial

but either way - we were all arguing misinformed points. When the assistant coach informed Paterno, it was not about sexual misconduct.

[DavenIII]

[quote user="Morehead"][quote user="bigblue4417"]

Obviously not. Since Joe Pa passed it along like an email forward.</p>


<font color="#0000FF">Maybe he expected more from the most important man in PSU history.</font></p>[/quote]
I don't understand why they can't grasp this?
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I don't understand why you can't grasp the fact that seeing something happen is different then having someone tell you about it...so we are even.

[MattMeyerBud]

i just fail to see what popularity has to do with any aspect of this case

[DavenIII]

[quote user="Morehead State"]

[quote user="DavenIII"]LANDO

[quote user="Morehead State"]I completely agree. Joe Pa had a larger obligation. And I don't care if he's a mascot or not.[/quote]

Do you agree with that.

do you think Joe Pa who heard the story from the witness, had a larger obligation to make sure this guy got what he deserved then the witness himself?

(morally?)

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What I meant is that he had a larger obligation than to simply pass it on to the AD.</p>[/quote]

Oh well that's fine.

All I'm arguing is that Calhoun and Mc whatever his name is the WR Coach are "More" morally wrong in this situation then Paterno is...not that Paterno is squeaky clean...but that those who actually witnessed the events take place have a larger moral responsibility then someone who was told about it.

[bigblue4417]

As the fate of Penn State football coach Joe Paterno
hangs in the balance, new details have emerged about how the university
failed to report the child sexual assaults allegedly committed by his
former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.
</p>


According to prosecutors, Penn State had multiple opportunities to stop
Sandusky's alleged abuse. In 1998 two boys reportedly came forward to
say Sandusky had fondled them in the team's showers. Campus police had
eavesdropped on a conversation between Sandusky and one boy's mother.
That mother recently described the exchange to local reporter Sara Ganim
with the Patriot News.
</p>


"He admitted to taking the shower, he admitted to some extent something
bad happened," the woman, who was not identified, said. "He asked her
for forgiveness. He said 'I probably won't get it from you,' and then he
said 'I wish I were dead.'"
</p>The allegations against Sandusky include eight named victims who
have testified that the coach befriended them through the charitable
organization he founded, tried to mentor the boys, plied them with
gifts, trips to sporting events and access to the Penn State football
facilities, and then sexually assaulted them.



</p>

In 2002, <font color="#0000FF" size="4">graduate assistant coach</font> Mike McQueary allegedly saw Sandusky
in the shower of the football team's locker rooms sexually assaulting a
boy of about 10. McQueary told Paterno what he saw, and rather than tell
the police, Paterno reported the information to his boss, Curly, and
then never spoke of the incident again, according to a grand jury
presentment.
</p>Curly and his supervisor, Gary Schultz, did not report the incident to
police. They then told Spanier that Sandusky had been seen acting
inappropriately with a boy in the showers and had therefore restricted
his access to campus grounds. Spanier approved, and did not contact the
police.




</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="bigblue4417"]


As the fate of Penn State football coach Joe Paterno
hangs in the balance, new details have emerged about how the university
failed to report the child sexual assaults allegedly committed by his
former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.
</p>


According to prosecutors, Penn State had multiple opportunities to stop
Sandusky's alleged abuse. In 1998 two boys reportedly came forward to
say Sandusky had fondled them in the team's showers. Campus police had
eavesdropped on a conversation between Sandusky and one boy's mother.
That mother recently described the exchange to local reporter Sara Ganim
with the Patriot News.
</p>


"He admitted to taking the shower, he admitted to some extent something
bad happened," the woman, who was not identified, said. "He asked her
for forgiveness. He said 'I probably won't get it from you,' and then he
said 'I wish I were dead.'"
</p>The allegations against Sandusky include eight named victims who
have testified that the coach befriended them through the charitable
organization he founded, tried to mentor the boys, plied them with
gifts, trips to sporting events and access to the Penn State football
facilities, and then sexually assaulted them.



</p>

In 2002, <font color="#0000ff" size="4">graduate assistant coach</font> Mike McQueary allegedly saw Sandusky
in the shower of the football team's locker rooms sexually assaulting a
boy of about 10. McQueary told Paterno what he saw, and rather than tell
the police, Paterno reported the information to his boss, Curly, and
then never spoke of the incident again, according to a grand jury
presentment.
</p>Curly and his supervisor, Gary Schultz, did not report the incident to
police. They then told Spanier that Sandusky had been seen acting
inappropriately with a boy in the showers and had therefore restricted
his access to campus grounds. Spanier approved, and did not contact the
police.




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that conflicts with what moorehead said about what McQueary saw