THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

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[quote user="JPizzack"]

I'm kinda pissed off that Verlander won the MVP

If a guy who plays every 5 to 6 days can be considered an MVP, well you should have to add another award for just the best overall hitter in baseball. A pitcher tarnishes the MVP, and also makes the silver slugger award, and HR and RBI numbers close to meaningless.

The way I look at it....Verlander was really good in 24 games....
Ellsbury, Granderson, Bautista, Cabrera, A-Gon, Cano.........

Those guys were really good throught the ENTIRE season.</p>


what a joke.</p>[/quote]oh he did? good for him, although i agree, no pitcher should ever win the mvp.

[bigblue4417]

If a WR is running a slant route and falls down after the QB throws the ball thus leading to an INT was it a great play by the CB or was he lucky?

If a CB is covering a WR and the CB falls on a slant and go thus leading to a TD was it a great play by the WR or was he lucky?


It works both ways and the answer is the same. It's lucky. Of course they were both in the right spot where they should have been so that is skill and practice but the outcome is luck.

[Morehead State]

[quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
[/quote]LOL I can keep this up all day man If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck[/quote]
LOL Kase, listen man....

If the ball is thrown correctly it's a TD right?

so,

If the ball is underthrown giving the CB that slipped a chance to make the play it's lucky that he had that chance.

hence,

Prince made a great play by getting back in there and catching the ball. He was lucky to have the chance because it should have been a TD.
[/quote]</P>


INCORRECT!!!</P>


The ball had to be thrown farther than Vince Young has ever throw a ball to be throw correct.</P>


And you said he had 4 or five steps on Prince? Thats like 8 yards for God's sake. That was never the case.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]


[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
[/quote]</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>


[/quote]

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
[/quote]</p>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondaryhas been our weak spot on d. </p>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>


[/quote]

Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed. He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
[/quote]</p>


Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!! He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game. The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


Cut the kid some slack for God's sake. It was a good play.</p>[/quote]

stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?


[/quote]
Easy, 2 were earned, 1 was given since it bounced off the eagles TEs helmet[/quote]

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
[/quote]LOL I can keep this up all day man

If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck[/quote]

lol the difference is if the Giants were on offense and this happened to them ur story would change and my wouldnt

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
[/quote]</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>[/quote]

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
[/quote] He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field[/quote]

yea but thats my point Kase...

He wouldn't of had a chance of recovery if it wasn't a bad ball by Young...

i call that lucky since he was lucky the pass wasn't good
[/quote]He wouldnt have had a chance of recovery if he didnt initially get beat, but he did and he recovered. You say it was a bad throw but now theres talk of a QB battle brewing in Philthy, VY played a good game like he always does against us but you cant take away the fact that Prince made a good play and showed some nice skill[/quote]

okay but u can't say it wasn't luck that he had a shot to recover

HE recovered and got lucky the ball wasn't thrown to where it should of been

I just don't know what ur arguing at this point. Yes when the ball was thrown to him he made a recovery and play on it, but the fact he even had that opportunity after slipping or being beat is where he got lucky
[/quote]

Im saying his recovery skill is impressive and its a good thing even though you think its something bad. It shows that he has the football IQ and wheels to cover lost ground if he gets beat (and it happens to everyone, even revis, woodson and asomungha) you call it luck but its actually skill. The guy slipped then knew where the route was going and where Djax was, that says something especially for his 1st play

Did you get the 2 for $3 Hatorades at 7-11 before work cause you're hating hard body today[/quote]
regardless - he was lucky it was a bad ball lol... if it wans't all of his recovery wouldn't of mattered. It was only considered a recovery because it was thrown right at him. If it wans't it would of just been he got beat bad

[bigblue4417]

[quote user="Morehead State"]

[quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
[/quote]LOL I can keep this up all day man If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck[/quote]
LOL Kase, listen man....

If the ball is thrown correctly it's a TD right?

so,

If the ball is underthrown giving the CB that slipped a chance to make the play it's lucky that he had that chance.

hence,

Prince made a great play by getting back in there and catching the ball. He was lucky to have the chance because it should have been a TD.
[/quote]</p>


INCORRECT!!!</p>


The ball had to be thrown farther than Vince Young has ever throw a ball to be throw correct.</p>


And you said he had 4 or five steps on Prince? Thats like 8 yards for God's sake. That was never the case.</p>[/quote]
He is almost 5 yards past him at one point. It was about a 45 or 50 yard pass. We all know VY can throw it farther than that. But since you don't believe me you can watch it for yourself.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8</a>

[bigblue4417]

What a terrible pick by Eli. He didn't even have his feet set. Really not sure what he was thinking throwing this ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;v=iSqEvdgJ2UM

[dezzzR]

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
[/quote]</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>[/quote]

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
[/quote] He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field[/quote]

yea but thats my point Kase...

He wouldn't of had a chance of recovery if it wasn't a bad ball by Young...

i call that lucky since he was lucky the pass wasn't good
[/quote]He wouldnt have had a chance of recovery if he didnt initially get beat, but he did and he recovered. You say it was a bad throw but now theres talk of a QB battle brewing in Philthy, VY played a good game like he always does against us but you cant take away the fact that Prince made a good play and showed some nice skill[/quote]

okay but u can't say it wasn't luck that he had a shot to recover

HE recovered and got lucky the ball wasn't thrown to where it should of been

I just don't know what ur arguing at this point. Yes when the ball was thrown to him he made a recovery and play on it, but the fact he even had that opportunity after slipping or being beat is where he got lucky
[/quote]

Im saying his recovery skill is impressive and its a good thing even though you think its something bad. It shows that he has the football IQ and wheels to cover lost ground if he gets beat (and it happens to everyone, even revis, woodson and asomungha) you call it luck but its actually skill. The guy slipped then knew where the route was going and where Djax was, that says something especially for his 1st play

Did you get the 2 for $3 Hatorades at 7-11 before work cause you're hating hard body today[/quote]yea i agree with this, but why was prince on jackson for his first nfl snap is the real question
[/quote]Yo that song was NASTY man, hell anything DJ Premier touches is a soundgasm[/quote]yea man, iv been on premo binge. i got some new ra too hold up.

[Kase-1]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]


[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
[/quote]</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>


[/quote]

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
[/quote]</p>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondary*has been our weak spot on d. </p>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>


[/quote]

Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed.* He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
[/quote]</p>


Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!!** He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game.** The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


Cut the kid some slack for God's sake.* It was a good play.</p>[/quote]

stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?


[/quote]
Easy, 2 were earned, 1 was given since it bounced off the eagles TEs helmet[/quote]

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
[/quote]LOL I can keep this up all day man

If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck[/quote]

lol the difference is if the Giants were on offense and this happened to them ur story would change and my wouldnt
[/quote]Nope depending on the situation Id be on the same stance Im on right now

[dezzzR]

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]


[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
[/quote]</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>


[/quote]

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
[/quote]</p>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondaryhas been our weak spot on d. </p>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>


[/quote]

Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed. He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
[/quote]</p>


Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!! He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game. The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


Cut the kid some slack for God's sake. It was a good play.</p>[/quote]

stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?


[/quote]
Easy, 2 were earned, 1 was given since it bounced off the eagles TEs helmet[/quote]

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
[/quote]LOL I can keep this up all day man

If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck[/quote]

lol the difference is if the Giants were on offense and this happened to them ur story would change and my wouldnt
[/quote]Nope depending on the situation Id be on the same stance Im on right now[/quote]matt likes to assume a lot.