THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[MattMeyerBud]

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[quote user="bigblue4417"]N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.[/quote]</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


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Nobody is knocking hockey, Matt or myself. Just simply proving a point that hockey is no where near as popular as basketball nationally. It will always be the 4th most popular sport in the US and could someday go even lower.

If you asked a casual sports fan if he would rather have front row seats or an all access pass to tv games for hockey or B'ball 99% of them are going to go for B'Ball.

If you asked a serious Knicks/Rangers, Bulls/Blackhawks or Bruins/Celtics I would bet more than 70% takes B'ball.

No one cares about hockey nationally. If you have a team then of course you are going to care more. I have been to plenty of sports bars in my life. I have never seen hockey on TV nor hear people talking about it. There are bars that would rather show replays of SC than live hockey. No one cares.
[/quote]No dont get it twisted, Matt was bashing hockey and he does every time we speak on it

WOW, sports bars in Utah suck the ol brasciole. You never hear people talking about it cause Utah has no hockey team, the closest team is in Denver and the Avs blow dong, you even said it, if you have a team you'll care more and in your part of the country there is no team.

There are people that watch all 82 Rangers games at my local bar, hell even I dont watch all 82 Rangers games and they're my #2 after Big Blue, hockey fans are WAAAAY more dedicated than bball fans and there's less of a bandwagon, once a hockey fan always a hockey fan, and if you see a live game you're hooked for LIFE

It isnt always the 4th of the big 4, and its never going below that
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Technically i was wrong by saying big 4, its actually 5th out of the big 5 if u want to get techincal. But I don't consider Nascar a sport... I think a ball has to be in pklay to be considered a sport

I've been to about 5 hockey games, so stop it.

you live in NEW YORK. This is what I mean that u have no concept of perception out of the tri-state of big cities.

I personally odn't like hockey, i find it boring. I can get into any sport for small periods of time but its just not an exciting game.

I said that american obviously agrees since they don't have the fan fare. You said they do and tried to give me HOME sales instead of overall sales and just ignore the whole TV thing. Truth is the truth.

And the fake fighting going on is making it go south. And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...
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OK, dont clown yourself by bringing nascar into it

You live in NEW YORK as well so dont act like you're Captain America

You dont like hockey so obviously you're biased to this discussion just like I am

Truth is truth, hockey has a better following attendance wise, there are more cities in the USA that sellout 100 &amp; 99% of their games in the NHL than the NBA and you seem to ignore that fact

Fake fighting???

And other than your opinion there's nothing that says crosby being hurt has hurt the NHL's popularity
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i would have to say that per are debates here I have a better grasp of how Hockey is viewed. The only talking point you have is HOME sellouts. You won't even look at OVERALL sellouts, total sales, or TV ratings.

IF there is one thing America does, it milks any dime out of any interest it gets. Hockey doesn't make that money - for a reason.

And I brought up Nascar just to piss you off



I don't like hockey, but I also dont like MMA. This isn't a personal opinion debate, its a factual debate


anbd yea, that fake fighting that went on before the Devils-Rangers game was weaaaakkk....

talk about trying to market your game. Those guys had no desire to fight and barely tried throwing punches, they just dropped their gloves and it was all entertainment. A very big WWE feel to it

speaking of which, im going to Wrestlemania lol

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Kase-1"]And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'
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That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
[/quote]Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games


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You subtract Canada?


[/quote]Why subtract Canadia, they have teams in both sports.

But even without Canadia NHL has 11 teams that sellout 99% or better and the NBA has 9 that sellout 99% or better
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what happened to your 100% argument? Opening it up to 99% KILLS your argument even more

Because while you have the ADVANTAGE percentage wise, u lose becuase NBA arenas HOLD more people lol. So the 99% means they aren't selling out. So lets get it straight that it means BOTH have more tickets to sell

tthe difference? NBA is sitll selling more tickets even if they are at 99%
[/quote]FALSE!!!!

Opening up to NBA, to help your argument just proves my point more so

You can keep kidding yourself but the NHL has more cities that sell out their home games
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no it doesn't, because 99% isn't a sellout which means BOTH league typically have omre tickets to sell in EVERY arena. This would further back the hard number of ticket sales as being more important than % which the NBA has the advantage of

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...
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That is another thing he won't accept. Sid is the face of the NHL and it's hurting it with him out. If the Rangers weren't doing so good then we would really never hear about it. Almost every time there was a nationally televised game guess who was playing in it...The Penguins. Sid or Ovechkin every time.
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HEs actually quietly conceded that argument

he tried yesterday then he looked at the numbers from 08-09 (preinjury) and that was the peak

THE GREAT WINTER GAME had an all time low in ratings this year...


[/quote]I dont know one single person that likes crosby and i know quite a few hockey fans.
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and im sure they were hockey fans before...

i swear its like talking to a wall with u hockey fans. NOBODY IS ARGUING U DONT HAVE A BASE CORE OF FANS

This conversation is about how hockey is perceived nationally. Like ANY sport throughout history, it needs a posterboy. When NHL had one, there was a major jump in national attention and interest... since hes been gone its been on a decline...

And just curious, what teams do these friends of yours like?
[/quote]No Matt, you're arguing that we have 'no fans'
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no i said nationally nobody cares about hockey outside of the hockey towns...

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Kase-1"]Im drunk, we'll finisht this in the morning, LOL
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[MattMeyerBud]

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I dont want people to get all butthurt over this debate. It's not like im saying hockey is an inferior sport by any means. I just kinda thought it was all obvious, and factual: It's not nearly as popular a sport as the rest.[/quote]</p>


Because Kase loves hockey. He takes it personally when someone "bashes" his sport. He has played it his whole life and watches it religiously. It's like if someone said Buffy was not one of the most popular shows of all time. You would really take offense to that and would stick up for her ya know?</p>



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We feel the same way and are just stating facts. I don't think Matt is trying to bash hockey per say. I'm sure he realized how talented the athletes are and how difficult the game is. **** man, I have tried to ice skate before with no one around and fall on my ***. lol
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[/quote]When you guys talk about hockey like its figure skating I think you guys are acting like straight up clowns and for a few pages you n matt were

Matt has bashed hockey since the beginning of time, nothing new with that, when you act like its f'n curling thats when I get pissed off cause you guys are acting like jackasses
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LOL, Kase, I most definitely am NOT doing that!
I'll let Matt speak for himself if that's his opinion. The only common ground Matt and I have here is while debating the overall popularity of the sport.
I stated a page or so ago that I respect hockey players as much as I do football players. AND I like, and respect the sport. It has nothing to do however with my original point of it's popularity.</p>[/quote]

i've bashed hockey because it is a boring sport - but that isn't what this about.....

this is about how hockey is received nationally in America.

If your not interested in something you might call it --- B _ R I N G (buy a vowel)

obviously the country outside of cities where there is hockey - doesn't care.

[JPizzack]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]
i've bashed hockey because it is a boring sport - but that isn't what this about.....

this is about how hockey is received nationally in America.

If your not interested in something you might call it --- B _ R I N G (buy a vowel)

obviously the country outside of cities where there is hockey - doesn't care.

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I don't perceive it that way...
I have no interest in boxing. it doesn't mean i think it's boring.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

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[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]
i've bashed hockey because it is a boring sport - but that isn't what this about.....

this is about how hockey is received nationally in America.

If your not interested in something you might call it --- B _ R I N G (buy a vowel)

obviously the country outside of cities where there is hockey - doesn't care.

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I don't perceive it that way...
I have no interest in boxing. it doesn't mean i think it's boring.</p>[/quote]

why don't you have interest in boxing?

[JPizzack]

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[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]
i've bashed hockey because it is a boring sport - but that isn't what this about.....

this is about how hockey is received nationally in America.

If your not interested in something you might call it --- B _ R I N G (buy a vowel)

obviously the country outside of cities where there is hockey - doesn't care.

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I don't perceive it that way...
I have no interest in boxing. it doesn't mean i think it's boring.</P>


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why don't you have interest in boxing?
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not sure. i was too young to give a **** when it was HUGE....
and now that it's not popular, and never on tv anyway...guess i just dont care? idk.
same with MMA. </P>


oh, i watched that UFC event they had no fox a few weekends ago...and what a ****ing snoozer!!! I hope to god, that for the sports sake, and those tryingto get it on cable/networks, that it's not always that boring.
Worst part was the guy who won by BS decision in the 2nd to last fight, he's intereviewed briefly afterward, and gave a WWF-esque speech. it was the most awkward moment of television. Way to make ppl think it's fake buddy. i lost respect for it right there, specifically after giving it a shot, and seeing multiple boring fights in a row.</P>

[Kase-1]

Good Morning All!!!!

So are we in for another 10 pages of Hockey talk today??!?!

I LOVE IT!!!!

[Kase-1]

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So if I'm understanding right....football is the #1 sport in the US</p>


And then there's the rest I'll call .." the suck list"...... for me baseball tops the list as the most boring game they ever put on a TV screen...a level of boring I can't even explain...baseball is fun to play andthatsit....I'd give a tie to the other two"hockey andb-ball"for their televisedsuckness...</p>


All that being said hockey is great live, as a kid we used to go to a few collage games,loved atmosphere and excitement that the arena brings..I don't get into it on TV at all really...</p>


As for B-Ball I dowatch some ofplayoff games ...but thatsabout it....andI doubt I'd spend a dime to go to a live game....same goes for baseball...</p>


Its Giantsfootball ornothing for me... Watching any other sportsis like I'm forcing myself to do it...My wife watches baseball I find something else to do...</p>


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By the way KaseI loved playing hockey as a kid,...all be itunorganized... we would wait for a localpond to freeze over and play.... good times ...I still like to put on theskates from time to time when the ice is right andhave a look about...I go slooooow tho....</p>


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ps...keep in mindgoing to any progame from where I'm sitting is not that easy or inexpensive ..If I was closer to the actionI could see myselfgoing tohockey game....</p>[/quote]

I heard BIG B was the enforcer....

big b use to throw real punches
[/quote]Kase-1 used to throw REAL punches, hell I had my training regimine of boxing my brick chiminey so when I punched a helmet it didnt hurt.... I now have hands of STEEL, LOL