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    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]


    god bless america....</P>


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    Of course Morehead called it. Even though Vegas odds were 80/20 for an overturn.</P>


    Its funny that the court found the mandate unconstitutional under the Commerce clause, which the administration was arguing. they ruled that the only way it can be constitutional was if you call it a tax. Of course if the Dem's had called it a tax, it would never have passed.</P>


    So who wins? Beaurocrats certainly. Who loses? People like Matt who will be forced to buy health insurance even ifthey arelaid off and can't afford it. If he refuses he is charged a penalty. If he refuses to pay that, he goes to jail.</P>


    Yes...Its a great day to be an American. Matt's in jail.</P>


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    that's the most frustrating part, people like Matt and Lando and the most zealous supporters of this bill are the ones who will be HURT the most by it, they simply don't understand it, they need the issue simplified for them so they understand that it's bad for THEM then they would change their minds....well it might be too late now, now they will find out themselves in 4ish years....
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    Don't bring Lando into this.</P>


    And yes, this represents the largest tax increase to the middle class in the history of the country.</P>


    Funny thing is that the only ones hurt ARE the middle class. The rich have their healthcare and the poor have Medicaid. This hurt guys exactly like Matt. Guys who are young and don't want to pay huge healthcare insurance costs because they are healthy. Now they will be forced at the point of a gun to do so. Thats choice has now been taken away by the affirmation of the mandate.</P>


    Matt's demographic is the exact group that will be hurt the most. Its ironic.</P>


    But thats not the point. he thinks its a competition and not about public policy and good law. Its some kind of "stick it to the GOP" thing. The ones really hurt are guys like Matt.</P>


    A young healthy person should have the right to say, "I don't want to pay for health insurance". For some reason, Matt is celebrating that right being taken away.</P>


    [/quote]My wife and I have had health insurance since we got married In those days I worked at the ship yard health care was free to me " blue cross blue shield"with dental..When I left the ship yard for self employment my wife picked it up from her job Federal Blue Cross which is not free...I think we pay around 3500.00 a year these days...</P>


    My point is if you can afford it you should have it...one trip to the hospital for a week could bankrupt a person for Christ sakes...I think we can all agree that something needs to be done the cost of health care and medsis outrageous...don't tell me there is no greed involved here...</P>


    the question is how do you doit... that is.... have care for everybody that needs care regardless of insurance status....you just can't let people die in the streets can ya....is it your opinion that all people who don't have health insurance are losers,lazy *******s and such!? I think not...Sure there are some but noteverybody out there that doesn'thave health insurance is a lazy no good for nothing...</P>


    I don't like the mandate anymore than te next guy...I mean there are many workers/jobs in this part of the country that just don't pay enough to afford insurance and now your going to tax them for not having it seems odd to me ..so where's the cut off...you getmy drift here......Look in a perfect world everybody goes to work no-body's on the system everybody has insurance etc,etc...</P>


    the status quo isn't working and obcare may not be the answer either...but its at the very least an attempt to do something....don't get me wrong here I don't like the lazy *******s milking the system either..but its way more complicated than that.....the fortunate have to help out the unfortunate<FONT color=#000000> ....how about the drug companies give a few pill away for free to the needy....**** it I'm just rambling....sorry</FONT></P>

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    We're on the way to becoming a welfare nation. The people with jobs just need to work a little harder and give more so it can begiving to others who won't . Pride is becomeing a thing of the past . If I need to work 2 jobs to make my ends meet , so be it. The nation is getting so soft . I'm reminded of my grandfather who worked 12 hours a day digging low coal . Never seeing the sun shine once your put in the hole. Man never complained about it . Raised 8 good kids and 4 grandkids when my uncle and aunt died . Now days people would be lining up outside the welfare office before they'd do that . SOFT

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    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"]That's the most frustrating part, people like Matt and Lando and the most zealous supporters of this bill are the ones who will be HURT the most by it, they simply don't understand it.


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    Don't bring Lando into this.</p>[/quote]
    <font size="5">Yeah.

    </font>I have no clue about this bill. I don't support it or not support it. I had insurance at my last job and have insurance with my new job. I don't know who it affects or what it's about.

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    [quote user="shockeyg"]We're on the way to becoming a welfare nation. <FONT color=#ff0000>The people with jobs just need to work a little harder and give more so it can begiving to others who won't .</FONT> Pride is becomeing a thing of the past . If I need to work 2 jobs to make my ends meet , so be it. The nation is getting so soft . I'm reminded of my grandfather who worked 12 hours a day digging low coal . Never seeing the sun shine once your put in the hole. Man never complained about it . Raised 8 good kids and 4 grandkids when my uncle and aunt died . Now days people would be lining up outside the welfare office before they'd do that . SOFT[/quote] Had to fix that

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    [quote user="lttaylor56"]I feel like I was just punched in the stomach....

    This is what I found regarding Medicare clients:

    Medicaid :

    ObamaCare expands Medicaid (medical care for the poor) to everyone (under the Medicare age of 65) who has income less than 133% the federal poverty level. States must pay this enormous new burden, but federal government promises to reimburse costs of newly eligible patients under this program from 2014 to 2016.

    ....So now, I'm going to pay more so that those who choose not to work and collect foodstamps can have health insurance?

    Will Doctors be mandated to accept Medicare? If not, it doesn't make sense.

    Is it fair to force a Doctor who excelled in their field(The good Doctors) to accept less than what they used to receive as payment for their medical services?[/quote] You do know that the majority of people that receive govt assistance are full time workers who are underpaid right??

    This notion that everyone who receives govt assistance is just a lazy, drug addicted, loser is something that has been twisted and misconstrued for decades and at this point in time couldnt be further from the truth. I work 80hrs per week and have applied for govt assistance, does that mean that Im a lazy bum who doesnt wanna work?? Obviously not because I work DOUBLE what most of you complainers work

    You make it seem like that doctors who accept medicaid will never get paid but in actuallity they get paid by the govt.
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    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]

    [quote user="DavenIII"]OK...well moving on, now that the supreme court made it's mistake the next thing is a vote to repel, I believe July 11th is when they will vote on it?

    I don't care if it takes another 100 years, the republican party's number 1 priority must from now until eternity be to repel this, I don't want them to join a single discussion, I don't want them to take part in one vote about anything other then this repel.

    that's my view.
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    Should they hold the vote today to charge Eric Holder with Contempt of Congress?</p>[/quote]

    Honestly no, I feel like acting like a child now, I want them to just leave the house, go on vacation like the Dem's did...just refuse to even go to work until they over turn this Obamacare abomination.
    [/quote]Abomination to you, a saving grace for countless others
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    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]A young healthy person should have the right to say, "I don't want to pay for health insurance". For some reason, Matt is celebrating that right being taken away.[/quote]

    Exactly, that's why I don't understand.

    it's like I have 10 bucks in my wallet and he has 10 bucks in his, because he disagrees with me, because he's angry at me, he pays someone 10 dollars to steal 1 dollar from me.

    He's applauding the government for stealing his money...he's applauding the government for punishing him when he didn't do anything wrong....it doesn't make sense!
    [/quote]OK obviously you guys have been blessed to have had health care through your jobs, spouses, or parents. Because if you didnt have health care this would be a big moment for you

    You call it stealing money, but I call it better allocation of funds. It may not make sense to you, but it makes perfect sense to me that our govt is finally taking a step foward with the healthcare issue. I get it, you have a great health plan and youre scared that the quality of your coverage will detiorate, but imagine how the millions without ANY health coverage feel right now, its like we just won a damned war against these rich, elitest, conservatives that run the health care industry.

    No matter where you stand, the healthcare costs are astronomical and assanine. I had to go to the doctor the other day (without health insurance) and they treated my like I was a piece of trash and after seeing the dr for under 5mins they collected my $200 and booted my wahzoo out. And you *******s complain about a $20 co-pay!!!! You should be ahsamed of yourselves!!!!
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    And WTF, when did this become 'THEE Conservative Thread'


    .... Thats all, see ya in another few months, LOL
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    [quote user="shockeyg"]We're on the way to becoming a welfare nation. The people with jobs just need to work a little harder and give more so it can begiving to others who won't . Pride is becomeing a thing of the past . If I need to work 2 jobs to make my ends meet , so be it. The nation is getting so soft . I'm reminded of my grandfather who worked 12 hours a day digging low coal . Never seeing the sun shine once your put in the hole. Man never complained about it . Raised 8 good kids and 4 grandkids when my uncle and aunt died . Now days people would be lining up outside the welfare office before they'd do that . SOFT[/quote]Yea all of you complainers need to STFU. I put in more work in 1 week than most of you do in 2, and do I complain?? NO!!!

    I work 14hrs a day, 6 days a week, from sun up to past sundown and Im proud of my work ethic. It kills me to see these hipsters living in bushwick or williamsburgh, etc on their parents dime only so they can go to NYU, build up $100,000+ of debt then be 'too cool' or 'too progressive' to work in jobs like the steamfitters, plumbers, or ironworkers unions. If these idiots had half a brain they'd realize that the only people that are hiring and making good money are those guys

    If I have to donate an additional $2 to help out my fellow countrymen, Ill do that no problem. Id much rather allocate my hard earned funds to my fellow citizens well being over buying another 2trillion dollar jet that Ill never get to see or fly.

    .... I hate people
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    [quote user="DavenIII"]

    #1) Health care quality will decrease, the care you get will decrease (even if you had NO insurance before hand)

    #2) Costs will increase, unless you were paying for the best plans possible you can expect to pay more in the future, currently as a single male I was paying 80$ per paycheck for the lowest possible plan, now I'll have to pay more then that for a lower quality of care, I'd have to pay almost that much simple to NOT get any care just as a penalty (aka Fine) now.

    #3) Companies (especially small companies) will stop offering health care all together and insurance companies will go out of business....this is guaranteed.

    that's just the start....there is absolutely nothing good that can come from this decision....nothing.
    [/quote]#1 How can someone without health care have the quality of health care go down, is obama and all of the liberal boogeymen gonna come into your house when your sleeping and inject you with the bubonic plague?? So in other words the industry is gonna treat everyone like they dont have health insurance?? Sounds good to me, since I dont have health insurance

    #2 Your claim is that you 'assume' that the quality of care will deteriorate, but do you have ANY evidence to back up that claim?? Wouldnt more people go into the health care industry, creating more Dr's, nurses, specialists, since now more people are gonna have access to those kind of treatments?? You may say it will flood the industry with patients, but it will also flood the industry with new dr's and professionals, and jobs

    #3 Oh no health insurance companies may go out of business, oh no how will I sleep knowing that the health insurance companies that never helped me out will now fold due to greedy business practices

    Watch out Daven, the liberal boogeymen are out to get you, dont go to sleep or they'll steal your health insurance!!!!!


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