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    [quote user="Morehead State"]The guy discharged an unregistered handgun in a public place, with no permit to carry. Joe Schmo would have gotten 5 years.[/quote]

    one caveat though, I admit defeat on the fact that bloomberg did not have any sway over the DA in the case (on the assumption that Plax was offered 2 months) with that said, you have to admit that your above comment is somewhat off base right?

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    [quote user="JPizzack"]


    [quote user="shocknaweny"]What happened when the Lakers got swept ?? I was listening to FOX radio on my drive home from the cottage and they said it was 100-68 for Dallas and Odom and Artest were being escorted out by Police ! WTF !!![/quote]</P>


    lol, no, they were in Dallas, so when each got ejected, they were just escorted by whatever cops were on security there, they werent arrested or anything.</P>


    Odom blindsided Nowitzki to "man him up" and it was just a terrible decision to use force at that moment.
    Bynum's was worse. he basically speared JJ Barea out of the air while he was driving to the hoop.

    I did read though, that Nowitzki swatted a practice free throw of Odom's for no reason which is why he got pissed? i dont really know what that means, and i didnt see anything happen, so...im not sure what the deal with all that was...</P>


    oh, and Artest basically hit Barea in the face...lol</P>


    so awful....what a display of unsportsmanlike conduct all around by the Lakers.</P>


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    Wow....that sux...for LAKER fans...</P>


    Whose pitching for your Yankees today ??</P>

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    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    OK, are you guys telling me that a guy who stuffed his gun (registered in FL) in his glove box in Florida (his home) and then forgot it was there and drove to NYC is the same as a guy who lives in NY/NJ and stuffs an unregistered, loaded gun in his pants, goes to a crowded club and accidentally discharges it in that club?</P>


    Welcome to Fantasyland.</P>


    [/quote]

    Morehead, in the eye's of the LAW.... YES they are the same, both are charged with the same crime...period end of story...when it comes to the legal system you ARE dealing with Fantasyland.

    The way it works is you look at previous case precedent, you look at the CHARGES...the Charge was illegal possesion...the charge wasn't "Plax brought a gun into a nightclub"

    you can only look at the charge and in that case the guy who stuffed it into his glove box and the guy who walked into a nightclub ARE the same...as long as the Charge was the same.
    [/quote]</P>


    As I just posted Daven, Plaxico was offered 2 months in prison and 1500 hours of community service. I posted the link.</P>


    Admit you're wrong.</P>


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    Plaxico Burress= DUMB for turning down that deal.</P>

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    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]The guy discharged an unregistered handgun in a public place, with no permit to carry. Joe Schmo would have gotten 5 years.[/quote]

    one caveat though, I admit defeat on the fact that bloomberg did not have any sway over the DA in the case (on the assumption that Plax was offered 2 months) with that said, you have to admit that your above comment is somewhat off base right?
    [/quote]</P>


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    Re: THEE SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...burress_2.html</P>


    According to Bob Papa, he was offered 2 months in jail and 1500 hours of community service. And turned it down!!!</P>


    If true, it blows your theory completely out of the water. (and by the way vindicates mine).</P>


    If the mayor's comments had an effect on this case, they would have never made that offer.The articleclaims that Plaxico was deathly afraid to go to prison.</P>


    [/quote]

    If true Plax himself is just a moron...which I can totally believe...I hadn't heard the 2 month offer before...that's "normal" and not biased in anyway towards Plax...if true it does prove that the Mayors statements had nothing to do with it....
    [/quote]</P>


    Your a fine man Daven. Lets see if Dezz has the same reaction.</P>


    [/quote]</P>


    i do remember him being offered a deal, and him turning it down. but at the time i dont think we had details.
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    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]The guy discharged an unregistered handgun in a public place, with no permit to carry. Joe Schmo would have gotten 5 years.[/quote]

    This part is completely untrue Morehead, from what I can tell based on statistics from previous plea's under the same charge, Joe Schmo would have got anywhere from 3-6 months...."Rich" Schmo likely would have gotten off with no jail time at all.
    [/quote]</p>


    Not in NYC Daven.</p>


    [/quote]

    I'm talking about ONLY NYC Morehead, back when this happened I looked that up....Joe Schmo in NYC would most likely have gotten 3-6 Months in Plax's position, there is no doubt in my mind that he was treated differently because of his fame.
    [/quote]you are correct
    http://www.dnainfo.com/20110224/uppe...ve-compartment
    [/quote]</p>


    OK, are you guys telling me that a guy who stuffed his gun (registered in FL) in his glove box in Florida (his home) and then forgot it was there and drove to NYC is the same as a guy who lives in NY/NJ and stuffs an unregistered, loaded gun in his pants, goes to a crowded club and accidentally discharges it in that club?</p>


    Welcome to Fantasyland.</p>


    [/quote]no morehead. we(well i am anyway) are tellingyou that these gun laws are silly. if i wanted to shoot you, im not going to use my registered hand gun. why? cause police will just trace it back to me and i go to jail for murder even though it would totally be worth it. as long as you have a gun registered in any state in the us, you should be able to carry it anywhere. it was expired, and you cant charge plax for being a moron. people are acting like hes the first person to shoot a gun in a bar.

    [/quote]</p>


    I'm not saying the laws are or aren't silly. I'm saying that they are what they are and that Bloomberg's public statements about Plaxico didn't effect the result of the case.</p>


    Poor decisions by Plaxico and his attorney when they offered him a much more favorable deal than what he eventually got, was the reason.</p>


    [/quote]mayors a powerful man im sure he did.
    [/quote]</p>


    http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...burress_2.html</p>


    According to Bob Papa, he was offered 2 months in jail and 1500 hours of community service. And turned it down!!!</p>


    If true, it blows your theory completely out of the water. (and by the way vindicates mine).</p>


    If the mayor's comments had an effect on this case, they would have never made that offer.The articleclaims that Plaxico was deathly afraid to go to prison.</p>[/quote]which is still pretty stiff offer for shooting yourself in the leg hahahaha. it doesnt mean anything. he still got 2 years. in his stupid mind he thought he was innocent.

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    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"]


    [quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="dezzzR"]http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/05/...ve-the-giants/

    id be pissed at bloomberg. i am pissed at him for that ****. blooms a phony just like the rest of them.
    [/quote]I believe Bloomberg did make an example of Burress. I know he broke the law. I wonder if Rudy would of done the same?
    [/quote]</p>


    well, before it went to trial, he publicly said he would make an example out of him. lol...so...yea, I think so...</p>


    [/quote]</p>


    The Mayor doesn't prosecute the case. Plus he plea bargained the deal. The reality is that Plaxico could have gotten a much better deal if he had made the deal much earlier.</p>


    Plaxico got more than he deserved because he allowed the prosecutors to develop the case and get in a much more adventagous position. Plaxico's attorney screwed the pooch. It had nothing to do with Bloomberg.</p>


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    yea im familiar with the case....but basically it was said that he was going to be made an example...
    even the first deal wasnt a good one, he was treated like joe shmo for sure.
    Which dont get me wrong, fair is fair....it's just unfair toplax because other celebrities get away with anything...</p>


    [/quote]</p>


    His (Bloomberg) public statements had nothing to do with the result of the case. Plaxico got greedy, and paid the price.</p>


    [/quote]K. Mayor made the statement, prosecutor tried the case....in the end. Many celebs have got away with more than Plax. They gave his team the key to the city after SB42. Wtf? The guy caught the winning TD.

    I could see if the gun killed the security guard when it slipped down Plax's leg or someone else got hurt. No harm, no foul. Let's compare Plax's incident to Lt?

    Bull****!
    [/quote]</p>


    The guy walked into a crowded night club with a loaded, unregistered handgun, tucked into his sweatpants (In NYC, with the toughest gun laws in the country) and through his own carelessness actually fired the weapon.</p>


    He was damn lucky to get just two years as far as I'm concerned.</p>


    [/quote]france has distorted your thought process. steve smith was robbed 2 weeks before hand. plus the gun was registered in florida i belive but it expired, so your telling me its ok for someone to get 2 years for an expired gun license. i think thats bull****. if your gun is registered in montana it should be good enough for ny or any other state. its our right and is just another example of the gov interfering with them
    [/quote]</p>


    A gun registered in Florida is an unregistered gun in NY. Also he had no license to carry a conceiled weapon as far as I know.</p>


    He was lucky to get 2 years. He basically got a walk on discharging it in a public place.</p>


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    The guy discharged an unregistered handgun in a public place, with no permit to carry. Joe Schmo would have gotten 5 years.</p>


    [/quote]Back in 11990-91, I discharged a 30.06 in a business parking lot next to a school by accident. I called the local police department and informed them of my stupidity. Not even a report.
    [/quote]</p>


    Times have changed LT. NYC has the toughest gun laws in the country.</p>


    BTW, thanks for your support on the other thread. I don't get those who can't see how clearly I'm right on that one.</p>[/quote]Lol-Of course, I would not blindly support you, but I agreed with every point. I have not been back there....No one disputed any of your points did they? It's common sense football 101.

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    Re: THEE SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]The guy discharged an unregistered handgun in a public place, with no permit to carry. Joe Schmo would have gotten 5 years.[/quote]

    This part is completely untrue Morehead, from what I can tell based on statistics from previous plea's under the same charge, Joe Schmo would have got anywhere from 3-6 months...."Rich" Schmo likely would have gotten off with no jail time at all.
    [/quote]</P>


    Not in NYC Daven.</P>


    [/quote]

    I'm talking about ONLY NYC Morehead, back when this happened I looked that up....Joe Schmo in NYC would most likely have gotten 3-6 Months in Plax's position, there is no doubt in my mind that he was treated differently because of his fame.
    [/quote]you are correct
    http://www.dnainfo.com/20110224/uppe...ve-compartment
    [/quote]</P>


    OK, are you guys telling me that a guy who stuffed his gun (registered in FL) in his glove box in Florida (his home) and then forgot it was there and drove to NYC is the same as a guy who lives in NY/NJ and stuffs an unregistered, loaded gun in his pants, goes to a crowded club and accidentally discharges it in that club?</P>


    Welcome to Fantasyland.</P>


    [/quote]no morehead. we(well i am anyway) are tellingyou that these gun laws are silly. if i wanted to shoot you, im not going to use my registered hand gun. why? cause police will just trace it back to me and i go to jail for murder even though it would totally be worth it. as long as you have a gun registered in any state in the us, you should be able to carry it anywhere. it was expired, and you cant charge plax for being a moron. people are acting like hes the first person to shoot a gun in a bar.

    [/quote]</P>


    I'm not saying the laws are or aren't silly. I'm saying that they are what they are and that Bloomberg's public statements about Plaxico didn't effect the result of the case.</P>


    Poor decisions by Plaxico and his attorney when they offered him a much more favorable deal than what he eventually got, was the reason.</P>


    [/quote]mayors a powerful man im sure he did.
    [/quote]</P>


    http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...burress_2.html</P>


    According to Bob Papa, he was offered 2 months in jail and 1500 hours of community service. And turned it down!!!</P>


    If true, it blows your theory completely out of the water. (and by the way vindicates mine).</P>


    If the mayor's comments had an effect on this case, they would have never made that offer.The articleclaims that Plaxico was deathly afraid to go to prison.</P>


    [/quote]which is still pretty stiff offer for shooting yourself in the leg hahahaha. it doesnt mean anything. he still got 2 years. in his stupid mind he thought he was innocent.
    [/quote]</P>


    How could Bloomberg's position have effected the case if they offered him 2 months in jail?</P>
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    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="byron"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]
    no where backs that up pappy

    minimum 1 year is what i've read...

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    everything i've looked up has said 1 year minimum also.</p>


    [/quote]</p>


    http://gothamist.com/2006/11/01/pataki_toughens.php</p>


    [/quote]yeah thats is the law..but of coarse it can be plead down..</p>


    http://www.queensdefense.com/guns.htm...as </p>


    I remember it plax was charged class c but I'm not sure now and as I remember it that could only be plead down one step class d....I'm not sure any of this now RF had a handle on allthis back when ...youcan't discount the facthe dischargedthe weapon in a public placeon top of just carrying not to speak of the other dumb things he did...It all played a part in what he got ...right or wrong....he payed big no doubt...what was it ? 21 mil contract out the window....</p>


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    Playing like **** that season should have added at least a few more months to his sentence.</p>[/quote]lol-and his tardiness or abscence to team meetings. TC was not happy.

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    [quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"]


    [quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="dezzzR"]http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/05/...ve-the-giants/

    id be pissed at bloomberg. i am pissed at him for that ****. blooms a phony just like the rest of them.
    [/quote]I believe Bloomberg did make an example of Burress. I know he broke the law. I wonder if Rudy would of done the same?
    [/quote]</P>


    well, before it went to trial, he publicly said he would make an example out of him. lol...so...yea, I think so...</P>


    [/quote]</P>


    The Mayor doesn't prosecute the case. Plus he plea bargained the deal. The reality is that Plaxico could have gotten a much better deal if he had made the deal much earlier.</P>


    Plaxico got more than he deserved because he allowed the prosecutors to develop the case and get in a much more adventagous position. Plaxico's attorney screwed the pooch. It had nothing to do with Bloomberg.</P>


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    yea im familiar with the case....but basically it was said that he was going to be made an example...
    even the first deal wasnt a good one, he was treated like joe shmo for sure.
    Which dont get me wrong, fair is fair....it's just unfair toplax because other celebrities get away with anything...</P>


    [/quote]</P>


    His (Bloomberg) public statements had nothing to do with the result of the case. Plaxico got greedy, and paid the price.</P>


    [/quote]K. Mayor made the statement, prosecutor tried the case....in the end. Many celebs have got away with more than Plax. They gave his team the key to the city after SB42. Wtf? The guy caught the winning TD.

    I could see if the gun killed the security guard when it slipped down Plax's leg or someone else got hurt. No harm, no foul. Let's compare Plax's incident to Lt?

    Bull****!
    [/quote]</P>


    The guy walked into a crowded night club with a loaded, unregistered handgun, tucked into his sweatpants (In NYC, with the toughest gun laws in the country) and through his own carelessness actually fired the weapon.</P>


    He was damn lucky to get just two years as far as I'm concerned.</P>


    [/quote]france has distorted your thought process. steve smith was robbed 2 weeks before hand. plus the gun was registered in florida i belive but it expired, so your telling me its ok for someone to get 2 years for an expired gun license. i think thats bull****. if your gun is registered in montana it should be good enough for ny or any other state. its our right and is just another example of the gov interfering with them
    [/quote]</P>


    A gun registered in Florida is an unregistered gun in NY. Also he had no license to carry a conceiled weapon as far as I know.</P>


    He was lucky to get 2 years. He basically got a walk on discharging it in a public place.</P>


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    The guy discharged an unregistered handgun in a public place, with no permit to carry. Joe Schmo would have gotten 5 years.</P>


    [/quote]Back in 11990-91, I discharged a 30.06 in a business parking lot next to a school by accident. I called the local police department and informed them of my stupidity. Not even a report.
    [/quote]</P>


    Times have changed LT. NYC has the toughest gun laws in the country.</P>


    BTW, thanks for your support on the other thread. I don't get those who can't see how clearly I'm right on that one.</P>


    [/quote]Lol-Of course, I would not blindly support you, but I agreed with every point. I have not been back there....No one disputed any of your points did they? It's common sense football 101.
    [/quote]</P>


    It seems that they have come to my way of thinking.</P>
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