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    Re: THEE SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    OK..lets step back and look at this objectively. If someone was coming to this debate for the first time. Whichwould they say is the "obsessed" position?</P>


    1. Eli is a good QB, even top 10, but doesn't protect the ball well enough.</P>


    2. Eli is a future Hall of Famer and a gunslinger.</P>


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    </P>


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    honestly MH....I think people calling him a hall of famer is kind of a rarity....
    gunslinger, sure...we have that debate in here, but 1 person doesnt make it acommon argument. lol</P>


    [/quote]</P>


    Guys who got beat up in high school for lunch money, by definition can't be gunslingers.</P>


    And Matt has repeatedly stated that he is a gunslinger who is headed for the Hall of Fame. All because he might put up Kerry Collins career numbers. Its nonsense. Its these extreem statements that I must challenge.</P>


    You don't go to the Hall of Fame unless you are one of the top players at your position in your era.</P>
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    Re: THEE SWAG THREAD

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    You don't go to the Hall of Fame unless you are one of the top players at your position in your era.</P>


    [/quote]</P>


    You do realize that that is no longer the case. Although you may not agree, most sports are getting more and more lax with HOF voting it seems. luckily for football, we've had some pretty big names come thru the past few years.</P>
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    Re: THEE SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    You don't go to the Hall of Fame unless you are one of the top players at your position in your era.</P>


    [/quote]</P>


    You do realize that that is no longer the case. Although you may not agree, most sports are getting more and more lax with HOF voting it seems. luckily for football, we've had some pretty big names come thru the past few years.</P>


    [/quote]</P>


    Why can't we just have an honest discussion about our QB? He's a nice player. He needs to work on some things. But he is what he is.</P>


    It can't be done here. Its got to be....</P>


    "Not only is he not just a good QB.....He's a Hall of Famer!!!!!......The reason he throws into coverage is because........... he's........a gunslinger!!!! ........Yeah thats right....He's a gunslinger!!!!!!! .....Everybody loves a gunslinger!!!!!!!........He's in the same class as Tom Brady!!!!!!!........If you don't think so, you're an Eli hater!!!"</P>


    Its nonsense. (BTW, Matt DID say after Eli's comments that he thought that Eli WAS in Tom Brady's class)</P>


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    Re: THEE SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    You don't go to the Hall of Fame unless you are one of the top players at your position in your era.</p>


    [/quote]</p>


    You do realize that that is no longer the case. Although you may not agree, most sports are getting more and more lax with HOF voting it seems. luckily for football, we've had some pretty big names come thru the past few years.</p>


    [/quote]</p>


    Why can't we just have an honest discussion about our QB? He's a nice player. He needs to work on some things. But he is what he is.</p>


    It can't be done here. Its got to be....</p>


    "Not only is he not just a good QB.....He's a Hall of Famer!!!!!......The reason he throws into coverage is because........... he's........a gunslinger!!!! ........Yeah thats right....He's a gunslinger!!!!!!! .....Everybody loves a gunslinger!!!!!!!........He's in the same class as Tom Brady!!!!!!!........If you don't think so, you're an Eli hater!!!"</p>


    Its nonsense. (BTW, Matt DID say after Eli's comments that he thought that Eli WAS in Tom Brady's class)</p>


    </p>[/quote]

    again i said he did have similiar start to his career as brady did, numbers and record wise

    its factual - not opinionated

    being dramatic typically goes hand in hand with obsession
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    Re: THEE SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    You don't go to the Hall of Fame unless you are one of the top players at your position in your era.</P>


    [/quote]</P>


    You do realize that that is no longer the case. Although you may not agree, most sports are getting more and more lax with HOF voting it seems. luckily for football, we've had some pretty big names come thru the past few years.</P>


    [/quote]</P>


    Why can't we just have an honest discussion about our QB? He's a nice player. He needs to work on some things. But he is what he is.</P>


    It can't be done here. Its got to be....</P>


    "Not only is he not just a good QB.....He's a Hall of Famer!!!!!......The reason he throws into coverage is because........... he's........a gunslinger!!!! ........Yeah thats right....He's a gunslinger!!!!!!! .....Everybody loves a gunslinger!!!!!!!........He's in the same class as Tom Brady!!!!!!!........If you don't think so, you're an Eli hater!!!"</P>


    Its nonsense. (BTW, Matt DID say after Eli's comments that he thought that Eli WAS in Tom Brady's class)</P>


    </P>


    [/quote]

    again i said he did have similiar start to his career as brady did, numbers and record wise

    its factual - not opinionated

    being dramatic typically goes hand in hand with obsession
    [/quote]</P>


    Unfortunately this MB makes it tough to go back several weeks. I remember Dez saying that and you certainly might have regurgitated the same things.</P>


    What I remember is your saying something like "I think he is" when responding to the conversation about Eli being in Brady's class.</P>


    So now you are only saying that "statistically" he is. Is this right? Because if thats right you and I both know thats a silly point.</P>
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    I think I'm going to be Wolverine for halloween lol. random I know, but I got a party to go to, and have been thinking about it.</P>


    all I really need is claws. Cuz I got the jacket, and I'll have the approrpriate hair length to do the flock of seagulls look lol...and i have a beard right now, so I can shave that into massive muttonchops.</P>
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    Re: THEE SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    You don't go to the Hall of Fame unless you are one of the top players at your position in your era.</p>


    [/quote]</p>


    You do realize that that is no longer the case. Although you may not agree, most sports are getting more and more lax with HOF voting it seems. luckily for football, we've had some pretty big names come thru the past few years.</p>


    [/quote]</p>


    Why can't we just have an honest discussion about our QB? He's a nice player. He needs to work on some things. But he is what he is.</p>


    It can't be done here. Its got to be....</p>


    "Not only is he not just a good QB.....He's a Hall of Famer!!!!!......The reason he throws into coverage is because........... he's........a gunslinger!!!! ........Yeah thats right....He's a gunslinger!!!!!!! .....Everybody loves a gunslinger!!!!!!!........He's in the same class as Tom Brady!!!!!!!........If you don't think so, you're an Eli hater!!!"</p>


    Its nonsense. (BTW, Matt DID say after Eli's comments that he thought that Eli WAS in Tom Brady's class)</p>


    </p>


    [/quote]

    again i said he did have similiar start to his career as brady did, numbers and record wise

    its factual - not opinionated

    being dramatic typically goes hand in hand with obsession
    [/quote]</p>


    Unfortunately this MB makes it tough to go back several weeks. I remember Dez saying that and you certainly might have regurgitated the same things.</p>


    What I remember is your saying something like "I think he is" when responding to the conversation about Eli being in Brady's class.</p>


    So now you are only saying that "statistically" he is. Is this right? Because if thats right you and I both know thats a silly point.</p>[/quote]

    ur actually frightening at this point

    Dezz chimed in after reading the points i made in the thread on TAGF about this debate. A thread where I factually proved that the numbers were eerily similiar.

    Thats when Dezz came in here and said wow you would never think those numbers

    Get your facts straight old man. Your tilting toward the obsession route again
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    Re: THEE SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    You don't go to the Hall of Fame unless you are one of the top players at your position in your era.</p>


    [/quote]</p>


    You do realize that that is no longer the case. Although you may not agree, most sports are getting more and more lax with HOF voting it seems. luckily for football, we've had some pretty big names come thru the past few years.</p>


    [/quote]</p>


    Why can't we just have an honest discussion about our QB? He's a nice player. He needs to work on some things. But he is what he is.</p>


    It can't be done here. Its got to be....</p>


    "Not only is he not just a good QB.....He's a Hall of Famer!!!!!......The reason he throws into coverage is because........... he's........a gunslinger!!!! ........Yeah thats right....He's a gunslinger!!!!!!! .....Everybody loves a gunslinger!!!!!!!........He's in the same class as Tom Brady!!!!!!!........If you don't think so, you're an Eli hater!!!"</p>


    Its nonsense. (BTW, Matt DID say after Eli's comments that he thought that Eli WAS in Tom Brady's class)</p>


    </p>


    [/quote]

    again i said he did have similiar start to his career as brady did, numbers and record wise

    its factual - not opinionated

    being dramatic typically goes hand in hand with obsession
    [/quote]</p>


    Unfortunately this MB makes it tough to go back several weeks. I remember Dez saying that and you certainly might have regurgitated the same things.</p>


    What I remember is your saying something like "I think he is" when responding to the conversation about Eli being in Brady's class.</p>


    So now you are only saying that "statistically" he is. Is this right? Because if thats right you and I both know thats a silly point.</p>[/quote]

    statistically, record wise, has a ring, and continues to get better

    your right, awful points
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    Re: THEE SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    You don't go to the Hall of Fame unless you are one of the top players at your position in your era.</P>


    [/quote]</P>


    You do realize that that is no longer the case. Although you may not agree, most sports are getting more and more lax with HOF voting it seems. luckily for football, we've had some pretty big names come thru the past few years.</P>


    [/quote]</P>


    Why can't we just have an honest discussion about our QB? He's a nice player. He needs to work on some things. But he is what he is.</P>


    It can't be done here. Its got to be....</P>


    "Not only is he not just a good QB.....He's a Hall of Famer!!!!!......The reason he throws into coverage is because........... he's........a gunslinger!!!! ........Yeah thats right....He's a gunslinger!!!!!!! .....Everybody loves a gunslinger!!!!!!!........He's in the same class as Tom Brady!!!!!!!........If you don't think so, you're an Eli hater!!!"</P>


    Its nonsense. (BTW, Matt DID say after Eli's comments that he thought that Eli WAS in Tom Brady's class)</P>


    </P>


    [/quote]

    again i said he did have similiar start to his career as brady did, numbers and record wise

    its factual - not opinionated

    being dramatic typically goes hand in hand with obsession
    [/quote]</P>


    Unfortunately this MB makes it tough to go back several weeks. I remember Dez saying that and you certainly might have regurgitated the same things.</P>


    What I remember is your saying something like "I think he is" when responding to the conversation about Eli being in Brady's class.</P>


    So now you are only saying that "statistically" he is. Is this right? Because if thats right you and I both know thats a silly point.</P>


    [/quote]

    ur actually frightening at this point

    Dezz chimed in after reading the points i made in the thread on TAGF about this debate. A thread where I factually proved that the numbers were eerily similiar.

    Thats when Dezz came in here and said wow you would never think those numbers

    Get your facts straight old man. Your tilting toward the obsession route again
    [/quote]</P>


    eerily similar?</P>


    Brady has a win/loss record of 113-32. Brady has a TD to int ratio of 268 to 104. Thats almost 3 to 1.</P>


    Eli has a win/loss record of 61-44. His TD to int ratio is 158 to 115 Eli's numbers are solid. Nothing to sneeze at. </P>


    Brady's are all time great numbers. He's also an all time great winner. 113 wins and 32 losses. Maybe the greatest winner of all time.</P>


    To say that Eli is in this class is "obsessive"</P>


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    Re: THEE SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    You don't go to the Hall of Fame unless you are one of the top players at your position in your era.</P>


    [/quote]</P>


    You do realize that that is no longer the case. Although you may not agree, most sports are getting more and more lax with HOF voting it seems. luckily for football, we've had some pretty big names come thru the past few years.</P>


    [/quote]</P>


    Why can't we just have an honest discussion about our QB? He's a nice player. He needs to work on some things. But he is what he is.</P>


    It can't be done here. Its got to be....</P>


    "Not only is he not just a good QB.....He's a Hall of Famer!!!!!......The reason he throws into coverage is because........... he's........a gunslinger!!!! ........Yeah thats right....He's a gunslinger!!!!!!! .....Everybody loves a gunslinger!!!!!!!........He's in the same class as Tom Brady!!!!!!!........If you don't think so, you're an Eli hater!!!"</P>


    Its nonsense. (BTW, Matt DID say after Eli's comments that he thought that Eli WAS in Tom Brady's class)</P>


    </P>


    [/quote]

    again i said he did have similiar start to his career as brady did, numbers and record wise

    its factual - not opinionated

    being dramatic typically goes hand in hand with obsession
    [/quote]</P>


    Unfortunately this MB makes it tough to go back several weeks. I remember Dez saying that and you certainly might have regurgitated the same things.</P>


    What I remember is your saying something like "I think he is" when responding to the conversation about Eli being in Brady's class.</P>


    So now you are only saying that "statistically" he is. Is this right? Because if thats right you and I both know thats a silly point.</P>


    [/quote]

    statistically, record wise, has a ring, and continues to get better

    your right, awful points
    [/quote]</P>


    Statistically: Not close</P>


    Winning recordwise: Not close</P>


    Rings: Not close</P>


    And has gone from 10 to 14 and last year 25 ints in the past three years.</P>


    All your points are proven false.</P>
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