THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

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[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]again we weren't talking about the system over all

u were responding to me being in favor of the death penalty
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we were past that, I talked about how I see both sides of it, the Death Penalty could save tax payer money, Jailing people cost Tax payers a TON of money every year and America has more people in jail then most other countries percentage wise, that said the semi-recent discover of DNA Evidence has freed quite a few innocent people that may have been killed had the death penalty been allowed in their states....so I see both sides.

to which you responded something like....But CA she definitely deserved it you know right?

That caused the topic switch, I went on to discuss the topic of how you arrive at the death penalty as a punishment....the burden of proof required, the conviction, the difference between first and second degree murder charges etc etc....

all of which you pretty much ignored....and kept pressing on about how CA "Deserved" it but you never explained "why" as far as I can tell you think she deserved it (even though she was proven Innocent) because she thought pigs fly or something....you have no basis for it, besides your emotional response behind what you "think" she did.

I broght Dr.K up to parallel the situation, to show you someone else who committed a similar crime in the eyes of the law, meaning a premeditate murder(s) and I used him because I knew you wouldn't have wanted him to get the Death Penalty because I can tell that you would see the crimes differently, but in the fashion that I brought it up for discussion the two (supposed) crimes are actually quite similar...but you then latched on to the actual outcome of the Dr.K. case....which...is irrelevant...we never got an outcome to the CA case (except we did she was innocent) thus we can't compare the sentences.

the point I was making all along though was that you have no real basis to say CA deserved the Death Penalty but Dr.K doesn't...you don't have a logical reason behind those comments it's all a gut feeling on your part...and gut feelings shouldn't be what decide whether a person is put to death or not.......in my opinion.
[/quote]lol how did this start again?

[Morehead State]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]


Here's a typical post by a good Giants fan:</P>


Eli played OK on Sunday and it sucks that bad breaks and tipped ballshad to determine the result of the game.</P>


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Now here' the same post, when viewed through the twisted, skewed prism ofthe classicEli Cultists:</P>


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<FONT size=6>Eli</FONT> played OK on Sunday and it <FONT size=6>sucks</FONT> that bad breaks and tipped <FONT size=6>balls</FONT> had to determine the result of the game.</P>


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They see only what they want to see.</P>


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LOL that typical Giants fan is right! the problem is you post only the Bold when you speak of him.

And MMB about the philly game and the whole team letting us down...I was speaking specifically of the 4th Quarter...yes even the offense let us down there....if they could have just killed some clock...but whatever it's over and done with.
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again after a touchdown by the offense with 8 minutes to go it gave us 31 points and a 21 point lead. We then had the ball for two more possessions.

First possession took 2:30 off the clock and we had 3 first downs

By the time we got the ball back for the second possession it was a tie game and we tried to drive to win the game

Im not killing the offense for that
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Using your own logic, doesn't the offense "control its own destiny" with the ball in a tie game with a few minutes left.</P>


By your logic 'what happened earlier in the game' just like 'what happened earlier in the season' isn't especially relevant.</P>


Matt creed....."They had control of their destiny so there are no excuses"</P>


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no actually through a game theres ups and downs. The offense did its job for that game when it was all on the line. 21 point wtih 8 minutes to go? Hell they had one possession with the lead within that last minutes and they were able to burn 2:30 off. They tried killing the clock. they ha 3 first downs on that drive. Defense lost this game

Either way - i've still yet to hear a reason why the Titans game was a bigger let down than Philly 2 and why we were suppose to win that game so much more in comparison to the philly 2 game?
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It wasn't. Why would anyone think it was?</P>

[bigblue4417]

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You playing Fantasy Football or what *****!? lol We don't take kindly to leaving players playing that you KNOW are going to be out for a while. Take the time....Even though you would not have won. You can still come back. It's early. Don't give up lil grasshopper. Daven has not even won yet. Had he not traded away half his good players he may have....
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Mendenhall was active and Redman was already on a team. Nothing i can do about it.</p>[/quote]
Uhhhh pick up another RB? lol You are better than that.

[bigblue4417]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty


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BTW did you see my trade offer?</p>[/quote]

yes

and its been long rejected lol
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Do tell....

[bigblue4417]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty


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It was irrelevant to the conversation, we weren't talking about one particular case, we talking about the difference between second degree and first degree murder at the time.

Premeditation is the "key" difference as it is on the books, both CA and Dr.K committed murders in which there was clearly Premeditation (well based on the assumption on your part that CA is guilty even though she was found innocent) Thus they should both be dealt with in the same fashion.

the fact that Dr.K. got away with Second Degree because of the unusual nature of his particular case is irrelevant when talking about the system "overall"
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lol see what i mean. You say it was irrelevent

BUT the truth of the matter is that YOU brought DR K up by saying the death penalty was ridiculous because a murder is a murder and theres no difference between them and that Dr.K should of got the chair becuase he committed murder. BUT the fact that there is murder in the first and murder in the second clearly is tthe defining factor.

The point where u go off on a tangent is that we have no clue clue what Casey Anthony would of been charged found guilty that they probably woiuldn't of gone easy on her at all. And had they not found it an accidental death she would have gotten murder 1

And THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN MUDER 1 and MURDER 2..

thats essentially what u went on debating for days and all of my counter points were irrelevent because they just pointed out how everything u said made no sense
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Here we go again

[bigblue4417]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]Bottom line they knowing had their destiny in their own hands, like the Giants did, and didn't capitalize
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Exactly, we still could have beat GB and got in.

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[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty


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BTW did you see my trade offer?</P>


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yes

and its been long rejected lol
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Do tell....
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Torrain for Santana Moss.</P>

[Morehead State]

[quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty


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It was irrelevant to the conversation, we weren't talking about one particular case, we talking about the difference between second degree and first degree murder at the time.

Premeditation is the "key" difference as it is on the books, both CA and Dr.K committed murders in which there was clearly Premeditation (well based on the assumption on your part that CA is guilty even though she was found innocent) Thus they should both be dealt with in the same fashion.

the fact that Dr.K. got away with Second Degree because of the unusual nature of his particular case is irrelevant when talking about the system "overall"
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lol see what i mean. You say it was irrelevent

BUT the truth of the matter is that YOU brought DR K up by saying the death penalty was ridiculous because a murder is a murder and theres no difference between them and that Dr.K should of got the chair becuase he committed murder. BUT the fact that there is murder in the first and murder in the second clearly is tthe defining factor.

The point where u go off on a tangent is that we have no clue clue what Casey Anthony would of been charged found guilty that they probably woiuldn't of gone easy on her at all. And had they not found it an accidental death she would have gotten murder 1

And THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN MUDER 1 and MURDER 2..

thats essentially what u went on debating for days and all of my counter points were irrelevent because they just pointed out how everything u said made no sense
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Here we go again
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I've never read on word of this debate. Whats it all about?</P>

[DavenIII]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"] I firmly believe with the circumstance it would of been murder one.[/quote]

Why do you believe this, that's what I'm trying to get it, because to me, it seems like you believe it because you are angry at what you "think" she did, you can't sentence someone to the Chair because you "THINK" the did something terrible....you need proof and it didn't exist!

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"] You came back with this crazy argument about how theres no way to differentiate who should get the charir and u mentioned Dr.K situation. [/quote]

I try to walk you through the leaps in logic you make, because you do it all the time, hoping you will notice it...but you never do, and sometimes that takes us down weird roads I will not deny that...but my friend I will never give up on you


[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]And I agree. But i have a friend that works at NJ state prison who does security there. [/quote]

I guarantee you, you don't have any stories that would surprise me, my best friend in high schools parents were both correctional officers, not to mention this guy I used to bowl with was also the same..I've heard plenty of stories...but wait WTF are we even talking about, what does this have to do with the legal system...and whether the Death Penalty should be applied or not...oh wait it doesn't you are pulling a Meyer! I should have seen it coming.



[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]Again for ur debate u want withhold the fact that u think theres a good chance CA would of gotten something else besides murder 1. I disagree. Murder 1 and Murder 2 are similiar to the ways that manslaugher is similiar. The difference? Murder one u can be put to death in some states or get life, manslaughter u can get 6 months[/quote]

I provided the definition of Murder 1 vs Murder 2 for you on multiple occasions...The key difference is PREMEDITATION...something which both Dr.K and (supposedly) CA clearly had done.

So you can't have it both ways, by your own thought process those guilty of Murder 1 should get the death penalty, but since both Dr.K. and CA fit within the guild lines of Murder 1 (I know Dr.k. got down to murder 2 but the result of that one case is irrelevant) then both equally deserved the chair...by your logic...which is shoddy at best anyhow)

[DavenIII]

[quote user="Morehead State"]I've never read on word of this debate. Whats it all about?[/quote]

It started with Matt claiming that Casey Anthony clearly deserved the Death Penalty

Besides the obvious fact that she was proven innocent there are a multitude of issues that would need to be figured out and decided upon before anyone could come to that conclusion...is kinda what I'm trying to show Matt.. but he's stuck on his emotional hatred of the women...(which while I understand can not be the basis behind the sentencing of a criminal)