THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[DavenIII]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]Again with the way the body was disposed, the lies to the police, and the way she was acting when the baby was gone missing (which was used in court) they would of been able to get murder 1.

I didn't ask any questions, i made a statement which u questioned
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but you statement is illogical, I'm not questioning it I'm letting you know that.

in order to fit the charge Murder 1 evidence must be provided, all the things you are mentioning were brought to light by the prosecution and not only was she not convicted of Murder 1...she was found Innocent!

so NO matt, they WOULD NOT have been able to get murder one, this much we already know..that's a fact, now if there was another piece of evidence that wasn't presented? well depending on what that other piece of evidence was then maybe they could have gotten Murder 1...but as it stands with what WAS provided no Matt...as much as you want to believe she could have gotten Murder 1 she could not have.

[Morehead State]

[quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline
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There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.
[/quote]It's the extra stuff that get's to me with Casey. I know from a legal standpoint, they must remain impartial and look solely at the fact's, but I can't get past her getting tat's and entering a hot body contest soon after the incident. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt--maybe she was so stricken with sorrow and immature that this was the only way she knew how to deal with the tragic loss of her child?
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All I can tell you is what I learned in civics class.</P>


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First degree Murder: Killing with intent and premeditation.</P>


Second degree Murder: Killing with intent without premeditation.</P>


Manslaughter: Killing without intend to kill, but intent to do harm, or in the commission of a crime.</P>


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Legislatures over the years have blurred these lines with the passage of new criteria for each.</P>


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As a strict opponent of the death penalty my views are skewed here.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline
[/quote]

There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.
[/quote]It's the extra stuff that get's to me with Casey. I know from a legal standpoint, they must remain impartial and look solely at the fact's, but I can't get past her getting tat's and entering a hot body contest soon after the incident. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt--maybe she was so stricken with sorrow and immature that this was the only way she knew how to deal with the tragic loss of her child?
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I agree with you LT, but that's from a shooting the **** perspective with you, I obviously feel that, that is an unusual way to grieve if you can even call it that, BUT if I was on the jury you can't really take that into account....you need to stick to evidence and proof.
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i feel like if they had the evidence to convict her, there was enough supporting and circumstancial to get it to murder one from what we know. Had she got murder one and then add in the fact a baby was the victim - i think that person whould get the chair. WHOEVER it is. Again CA was just the example at hand

[Morehead State]

[quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Morehead State"]


[quote user="dezzzR"]hey mh, who do you think was drinking in the club house?
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I think it was the hookers they brought in between innings.</P>


[/quote]stooop, seriously, who do you think it is?
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How the hell do I know. And I don't care. I care about what happens on the field.</P>

[dezzzR]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]Again with the way the body was disposed, the lies to the police, and the way she was acting when the baby was gone missing (which was used in court) they would of been able to get murder 1.

I didn't ask any questions, i made a statement which u questioned
[/quote]

but you statement is illogical, I'm not questioning it I'm letting you know that.

in order to fit the charge Murder 1 evidence must be provided, all the things you are mentioning were brought to light by the prosecution and not only was she not convicted of Murder 1...she was found Innocent!

so NO matt, they WOULD NOT have been able to get murder one, this much we already know..that's a fact, now if there was another piece of evidence that wasn't presented? well depending on what that other piece of evidence was then maybe they could have gotten Murder 1...but as it stands with what WAS provided no Matt...as much as you want to believe she could have gotten Murder 1 she could not have.
[/quote]the thing that makes me so angry about this case is now its pretty much closed. ca is innocent and the search for the killer stops.

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"]a perfect example of this is the red sox. had the won. if they win at least 5 out of those 10 games they lost at the beginning of the season, they make the playoffs. to say ohh its april, oh its september, the game doesnt mean as much is ridiculous.
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<u>again thats stupid.</u> They could of taken care of business and had it in their own hands when it was down the wire - they didn't

theres a million what ifs that could of happened in both scenerios. Bottom line they knowing had their destiny in their own hands, like the Giants did, and didn't capitalize
[/quote] how is it stupid? <u>if they win those games, and the season plays out the way it did, even with the huge meltdown at the end, THEY STILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. yes or no?</u> (dont you dare pull a mh and not answer!)thus proving all games are important.
i know what youre saying, a game late in the season to get in the playoffs is bigger than the titan game or any other game, BUT if the giants won any one of those games it doesnt have to be a "MUST" win. like you said we control our own destiny
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its stupid because u assume the season would of went on the same exact way after that game...


[/quote] <font size="6"><u>YES OR NO?????</u></font>
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u asked why i thought something was stupid and i answered

where is there a yes or no question that u want answered? lol
[/quote]do you read? or just read the first sentence and stop?
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did u read my response? I said why its stupid so no. You assume that the year would of played out the exact same way. Its a butterfly effect. Whose to say after a comfortable start to the season that we don't have a let down game vs the Texans, Lions, or Cowboys in the upcoming weeks.

[dezzzR]

[quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Morehead State"]


[quote user="dezzzR"]hey mh, who do you think was drinking in the club house?
[/quote]</p>


I think it was the hookers they brought in between innings.</p>


[/quote]stooop, seriously, who do you think it is?
[/quote]</p>


How the hell do I know. And I don't care. I care about what happens on the field.</p>[/quote]youre boring

[Morehead State]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline
[/quote]

There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.
[/quote]It's the extra stuff that get's to me with Casey. I know from a legal standpoint, they must remain impartial and look solely at the fact's, but I can't get past her getting tat's and entering a hot body contest soon after the incident. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt--maybe she was so stricken with sorrow and immature that this was the only way she knew how to deal with the tragic loss of her child?
[/quote]

I agree with you LT, but that's from a shooting the **** perspective with you, I obviously feel that, that is an unusual way to grieve if you can even call it that, BUT if I was on the jury you can't really take that into account....you need to stick to evidence and proof.
[/quote]

i feel like if they had the evidence to convict her, there was enough supporting and circumstancial to get it to murder one from what we know. Had she got murder one and then add in the fact a baby was the victim - i think that person whould get the chair. WHOEVER it is. Again CA was just the example at hand
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I think she did it but I don't think there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It could have been accidental and then they covered that up.</P>


The prosecution did not prove otherwise. Its not about what we think happened. Its about whether or not the prosecution proved it beyond a reasonable doubt.</P>

[ny06]

[quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="ny06"]


<FONT face=Arial>Morehead State</FONT> </P>


What are your thoughts on having to replace Theo Epstein and Terry Francona?</P>


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As long as we get another solid starter and a right handed hitting outfielder.</P>


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Is this you trying to be funny?</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="bigblue4417"]The New York Giants will remember the Seahawks loss in late December.
While we’re busy figuring out tiebreakers in a four-way NFC East race,
Tom Coughlin will be having flashbacks to the game that got away.

“This is about as miserable a feeling here as we’ve had in a long time,” coach Tom Coughlin said after the game.</p>


This game that got away figures to be a miserable memory for the Giants all season long.</p>[/quote]BUUUUUUUMPPP[/quote]

I just hope he considrs last seasons week 14 a "long time ago". IF not i think i REALLY want him gone like ASAP lol