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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

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    [quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Morehead State"]It was scary because it was "The old Eli". We thought we had seen the last of him. He showing his ugly self on that play. I'm sure Eli understood that and went back to the "new and improved Eli" that we have seen for most of this season.[/quote]
    How about this...Had the O-Line given him 1 more second it would not have been a chuck and duck instead being a perfectly thrown ball to the back corner of the end zone for a TD to Manningham.

    The 3 points would have been huge right there, but I can't fault Eli for trying to make the play.
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    he paniced Landon. Thats all it was. It was a rookie play. Did you read TC's lips when it happened?..."Don't do that!"</p>


    But I do not want to dwell since it is definately the exception this season and not the rule. Last season it was the rule.</p>[/quote]

    NNNNoooo - it really wasn't. If you go back and look at ALL of those balls how many of them were interceptions thrown off the back foot that dind't have the ball ever get to the WR?

    Like I said- your dramatically overhype the INTs we had in correlation to how well Eli actually played for us

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]speaking on the running game:

    I know we all got excited for SCott and up til that point it was a big question why he wasn't getting used more. But even after Scott got his shot and did good, we went back to Ware and he ended up playing a pretty damn fine game for us
    [/quote]i dont know what youre watching man. lol

    but yea scott had a 5 yard run and that was it. pretty lame.

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    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="bigblue4417"]"I have been here seven years with him," Tuck said. "I would dare to say he is playing his best ball in the whole seven years."[/quote]</p>


    Matt disagrees with Tuck.</p>


    Tuck agrees with Morehead.</p>


    [/quote]

    Moorehead is too busy back tracking and changing his arguments that he doesn't even know what Matt's points are...

    I'll take my Elite Eli any day


    [/quote]</p>


    Our argument has been about the fact that I think Eli is much better this season. You say he is the same.</p>


    Tuck agrees with me.</p>


    The End......... of Matt's argument.</p>


    [/quote]

    and again - even in your summary u still don't know my argument:

    Eli has improved every year and this year is no different. He is playing better.

    But you just dramatically under appreciated how well he actually played last year that you seem to think theres some great leap - and theres no. Things you've killed him for last year he still does and they RARELY bit us in the *** this year where oppose to last year they bit us in the *** MORE than they should have.

    So in reality we're all on the same page - Eli is playing better this year
    [/quote]</p>


    My argument is that Eli regressed last season. He fell into some really bad, old habits. This season he has clearly identified this in his game and has worked hard to overcome those impulses.</p>


    He has NEVER moved this well in the pocket to create time. Last year it was a rushed chuck into coverage and a duck out of the way of rushing lineman. This year its subtle moves in the pocket to create more time to let a play develop.</p>


    Isee it and obviously Justin Tuck sees it. And it reflected in his productivity and his confidence.</p>


    You can't see it because you see him through the skewed and twisted prism of your agenda.</p>[/quote]

    well again, your wrong he absolutely didn't regress last year. He still does these old and bad habits and like i said they've just been completed this year so you over look them.

    He has never HAD to move around in the pocket like this. You seem to forget the job our line USE to do. He use to just be able to sit there and throw - now he doesn't have that luxory. Its not that hes just deciding to be more mobile, hes being forced too.

    We all see his improvement from year to year, except for you obviously since u think hes regressed last year

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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

    That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.
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    It was a Morehead for sure.
    [/quote]

    lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

    I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


    [/quote]</P>


    It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</P>


    Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</P>


    But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </P>


    On to SF where we WILL beat them.</P>


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    See this is where your opinions puzzle me. Define why is "HAD TO BE MADE". If it was picked off would you of still said that? doubtful

    And I agree - that is the exact play you talk about. That is also the same exact play that me and lando call a "MOOREHEAD". Had it been completed like other chuck n duck balls had been this season - u would of all of a sudden thought eli was hall of fame ready.

    Like I said, you look at the results of Eli this year and suggest that hes doing much better. But those same knocks that you said overshadow his performance statistically last year, he still does and you choose to ignore them or have some jaded reasoning as to why it was situationally okay
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    No...I watch Eli play on the field and I see a better football player.</P>


    [/quote]

    when you make generic answers to my specific response - it lets me know that you know your wrong
    [/quote]</P>


    No...my point is that I go by what I see on the field. I don't rely on stats. because stats often don't tell the story. Especially in football.</P>


    I see a more relaxed and confident player in the pocket, and it has translated into better and more productive play. I no longer see a player who is only productive when everybody else around him plays well. to me thats a huge step.</P>


    You think he's just as bad as he always was. You don't believe in Eli like I do.I see a guy who can learn from his mistakes. Of course you're the one who hexed him in the first place.</P>
    "Typical Morehead!"..................and he didn't even mean that as a compliment..

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    [quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]speaking on the running game:

    I know we all got excited for SCott and up til that point it was a big question why he wasn't getting used more. But even after Scott got his shot and did good, we went back to Ware and he ended up playing a pretty damn fine game for us
    [/quote]i dont know what youre watching man. lol

    but yea scott had a 5 yard run and that was it. pretty lame.
    [/quote]

    Ware was VERY effective in picking up the block yesterday. He may of gotten blown him and taken the hit bad - but he still did his job. Just because he wasn't flat backing people (and he even ended up getting flat backed) he was still able to take the defender out of the play by unwillingly giving up his body.

    And as for running he had NO holes and he made a couple of runs for us that he had no business getting positive yardage on. He looked quick and strong at time. I thought he did a damn fine job.

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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

    That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.
    [/quote]
    It was a Morehead for sure.
    [/quote]

    lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

    I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


    [/quote]</p>


    It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</p>


    Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</p>


    But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </p>


    On to SF where we WILL beat them.</p>


    [/quote]

    See this is where your opinions puzzle me. Define why is "HAD TO BE MADE". If it was picked off would you of still said that? doubtful

    And I agree - that is the exact play you talk about. That is also the same exact play that me and lando call a "MOOREHEAD". Had it been completed like other chuck n duck balls had been this season - u would of all of a sudden thought eli was hall of fame ready.

    Like I said, you look at the results of Eli this year and suggest that hes doing much better. But those same knocks that you said overshadow his performance statistically last year, he still does and you choose to ignore them or have some jaded reasoning as to why it was situationally okay
    [/quote]</p>


    No...I watch Eli play on the field and I see a better football player.</p>


    [/quote]

    when you make generic answers to my specific response - it lets me know that you know your wrong
    [/quote]</p>


    No...my point is that I go by what I see on the field. I don't rely on stats. because stats often don't tell the story. Especially in football.</p>


    I see a more relaxed and confident player in the pocket, and it has translated into better and more productive play. I no longer see a player who is only productive when everybody else around him plays well. to me thats a huge step.</p>


    You think he's just as bad as he always was. You don't believe in Eli like I do.I see a guy who can learn from his mistakes. Of course you're the one who hexed him in the first place.</p>[/quote]

    im sorry that first line may work in TAGF - but now with us lol. You've overlooked his chuck n duck throws and throwing into multiman coverages because theres been success. SO i'm sorry, i disagree that your going off what you see because your letting the stats overshadow things you've knocked him for which he still does.

    Relaxed and more confidence in th pocket? I've never seen him have to move around like this EVER. I don't think hes relaxed in there at all. Like you've pointed out hes been on the move ALOT more

    Confidence with Eli is NEVER an issue

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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Morehead State"]It was scary because it was "The old Eli". We thought we had seen the last of him. He showing his ugly self on that play. I'm sure Eli understood that and went back to the "new and improved Eli" that we have seen for most of this season.[/quote]
    How about this...Had the O-Line given him 1 more second it would not have been a chuck and duck instead being a perfectly thrown ball to the back corner of the end zone for a TD to Manningham.

    The 3 points would have been huge right there, but I can't fault Eli for trying to make the play.
    [/quote]</P>


    he paniced Landon. Thats all it was. It was a rookie play. Did you read TC's lips when it happened?..."Don't do that!"</P>


    But I do not want to dwell since it is definately the exception this season and not the rule. Last season it was the rule.</P>


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    NNNNoooo - it really wasn't. If you go back and look at ALL of those balls how many of them were interceptions thrown off the back foot that dind't have the ball ever get to the WR?

    Like I said- your dramatically overhype the INTs we had in correlation to how well Eli actually played for us
    [/quote]</P>


    You MUST be able to throw off your back foot to play in the NFL. Thats not just from me, thats what Phil Simms said a few years ago when Eli was being criticized for doing just that.</P>


    I don't have any problem with throwing off your back foot. Drew Bledsoe made a career of it.</P>


    And I have the undeniable argument about interceprtions and why they are very important when determining our team winning.</P>


    Eli's greatest run was undoubtedly the 4 game playoff run in 07. In those 4 games he averaged 1.5 TD's/game and about 220 yards/game. Right in line with his career averages. Nothing spectacular at all. What WAS spectacular is that he threw 1 total INT in those 4 games (at that one was Steve Smith's fault.</P>


    Average production but extrordinary ball security is what characterized his play during those 4 games. It translated into a SB championship. </P>


    That is the formula for Giants SB championships. You may not agree (and clearly don't). But history has proven that I'm right.</P>
    "Typical Morehead!"..................and he didn't even mean that as a compliment..

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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Morehead State"]It was scary because it was "The old Eli". We thought we had seen the last of him. He showing his ugly self on that play. I'm sure Eli understood that and went back to the "new and improved Eli" that we have seen for most of this season.[/quote]
    How about this...Had the O-Line given him 1 more second it would not have been a chuck and duck instead being a perfectly thrown ball to the back corner of the end zone for a TD to Manningham.

    The 3 points would have been huge right there, but I can't fault Eli for trying to make the play.
    [/quote]</p>


    he paniced Landon. Thats all it was. It was a rookie play. Did you read TC's lips when it happened?..."Don't do that!"</p>


    But I do not want to dwell since it is definately the exception this season and not the rule. Last season it was the rule.</p>


    [/quote]

    NNNNoooo - it really wasn't. If you go back and look at ALL of those balls how many of them were interceptions thrown off the back foot that dind't have the ball ever get to the WR?

    Like I said- your dramatically overhype the INTs we had in correlation to how well Eli actually played for us
    [/quote]</p>


    <font size="6">You MUST be able to throw off your back foot to play in the NFL. Thats not just from me, thats what Phil Simms said a few years ago when Eli was being criticized for doing just that.</font></p>


    I don't have any problem with throwing off your back foot. Drew Bledsoe made a career of it.</p>


    And I have the undeniable argument about interceprtions and why they are very important when determining our team winning.</p>


    Eli's greatest run was undoubtedly the 4 game playoff run in 07. In those 4 games he averaged 1.5 TD's/game and about 220 yards/game. Right in line with his career averages. Nothing spectacular at all. What WAS spectacular is that he threw 1 total INT in those 4 games (at that one was Steve Smith's fault.</p>


    Average production but extrordinary ball security is what characterized his play during those 4 games. It translated into a SB championship. </p>


    That is the formula for Giants SB championships. You may not agree (and clearly don't). But history has proven that I'm right.</p>[/quote]

    honestly the fact that u just said that after even everything u've even said TODAY, i can't even continue reading what u said after it

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    [quote user="Morehead State"]Average production but extrordinary ball security is what characterized his play during those 4 games. [/quote]
    Did you just compare Eli to Trent Dilfer?

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    How about that Matt Ryan. lol

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